22. Catherine Harding – in the tradition of ‘On having No Head’ – Part 1. *****
Bombay: When people going back to England asked Nisargardatta who they could see when they got back home he told them to see Douglas Harding. Douglas was an English non-duality ‘teacher’ who turned the ‘concepts (of non duality) into percepts’ with his experiments that point us to ‘who you really, really are.’In this program his wife of many years, a sharer of the message herself, speaks clearly about life and also guides us through some of Douglas’ experiments.Music from The Mahabharata film soundtrack plus music by Talvin Singh and Rakesh Chaurasia, Vas, Anouar Brahem, Rowland Schultz and the Armenian Duduk (a wind instrument) is played by Gevorg Dabagian. Opening piece by The Moody Blues.
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This program is the first of two. Catherine lives in France. She was married to Douglas Harding for 18 years. Douglas is well known as the author of the book “On having no head”. Enjoy the program. Warm regards – Gilbert.
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Excellent choice ! I can’t wait to listen to the program.
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Catherine is awesome! I like the “there’s one Light and many lamps”. Everything bathing in that one Awareness. Makes me picture bodies walking around with dim lampshades on their heads and then Catherine (or Bob) comes around and pulls on the chain to increase the brightness a notch with their great talks! Even a young child with a newly identified consciousness (still wet cement) could understand these drills Catherine suggests and understand who they are. Some guy wrote earlier that there are only concepts on UGC and thus lacking in value somehow (as if talking about “Awareness” is another “concept religion”). Yes, they are concepts; but unfortunately, the concepts we’ve woven ourselves into bondage by are even more valueless in pointing to what you are. Hence, the thorn to remove a thorn analogy. If there were never any indoctrination and identification with form, none of this would be needed. There’s no baby or small toddler who ever needs to hear a word of this. If you gave them “I am That” they’d just suck on the corner of the book. They don’t need to read any of this stuff.
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Thank you UGC, this interview is one of the most beautiful things I’ve ever heard.
“He (Douglas) realised that he could see everything around himself, except his head, and that instead of a head over his shoulders, he had the world. The whole world was here. HE was the whole world. And then he saw that this immense gap that we are in fact, the aware gap, was our true essence, our true being.”
Catherine, Areti and Gilbert, huge thanks from the UK.
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Excellent! Although the “message” is no different at all, it makes a refreshing change from the “Full Stop Brigade”.
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I like that -”Full Stop Brigade”. Yes the way this message is presented it appears to be less abstract and more practical. It is a brilliant continuation to the “Full Stop Brigade” at the UGC. For my understanding, Catherine delivers this message more clearly than Douglas – the innocence like simplicity is what got me to ‘hear it’.
THANKS to all involved.
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really really wonderful…really!
thank you!
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Most beautiful! I was mesmerized by Catherine’s voice and by her message of nonduality. I will be linking this podcast as I have the previous ones for my internet friends. And the sound man scored again with a perfect match.
Alan
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WOW wow WOW
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Hehehehe, very good. I like Charlie’s comment. I have to say this is the best podcast.
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What a beautiful lady! Very authentic and honest in her speaking.
Thank you for bringing Catherine Harding to the UGC.
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Stunning! A non conceptual bull’s eye in every detail. Leave it to the women (with a little help from the sound editors). Bravo UGC, Blessings to Catherine!
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Expanding beyond the body’s limits into the eternal space and presence.
Something was understood, beyond words.
Again gratitude appears.
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The most enduring Harding-ism for me is “on present evidence” (relying on bare bones perception rather than thinking). On present evidence, there’s no meatball with peepholes here on these shoulders! Using a similar approach, as a collective species, we discovered not so long ago that the Earth, she ain’t so flat.
Am glad to see that Catherine is continuing the same merciless decapitation that Douglas was so proficient at. Thanks again Areti and Gilbert – not sure if you fully comprehend the service you are providing humanity with your efforts.
Kirk
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Kirk said :
“not sure if you fully comprehend the service you are providing humanity with your efforts. ”
don´t exaggerate..
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sergio,
Who says its an exaggeration?
And who says don’t exaggerate?
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What Catherine offers in these two programs is very clear – how anyone could miss it is as amazing as what is on offer.
However – In ‘my own’ words – Relativity is the total exaggeration of Nothing.
It is all an ‘appearance’ only – it has NO substance. What you are is truly beyond all limitations – and that is not some ‘destination’ to aim for – it is true right now – just drop the concepts about being limited and SEE. As I say, BE the SEEING only.
The expansive nature of this ‘space-like awareness’ is unlimited – no boundary.
Fixation on relative ‘personal points of view’ is the limitations of belief – belief in being this limited ‘self’.
Relativity has no value whatsoever – unless YOU give it some – and SO……since everything is related to everything else – so nothing has any value unless YOU give it value.
Your Guru has no value except the value you give him (if you ‘believe’ that you ‘have one’).
And YET all relativity is nothing but the ABSOLUTE – which is the Ultimate Value.
You ARE the Absolute.
THAT is clear, stationary, motionless, silent.
It is THAT through which everything ‘appears’ to move – as the sensations of LIFE – this Pulsation of duality appearing in this Singular Presence.
The life of this living movement is called Wakefulness.
Who is asleep? – Who is awake? Who exaggerates?
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the practical truth of these experiments are explosive enough by themselves…done in concert with any other inquiry should be enough to get to the bottom of all ‘this’! so simply extraordinary this miracle of seeing!
sergio…the joyousness in seeing that which sees joy or that which sees sadness or anything formally tedious or mundane can never be overstated…just have a good look!
no-thing is never absent!!
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It seems with a different and new presenter ( thank you Catherine Harding) different and new “terms” appear…
Like Gilbert’s “Relativity is the total exaggeration of Nothing.” What a bloody bewdy! (That’s Australian ‘slang’ for ‘Whacko the did’)
And Nathan’s “…this miracle of seeing!”…another ‘corker’!
It certainly is a miracle. “Miracles” in the usual sense can be explained away…but try and explain the “awakefulness” away! Here it is…in all its glory…immediate, ever present, immaculate, untouched, etc. etc. blah blah blah…
Attempts can be made to describe IT…yet all the words and concepts and declarations and proclamations, in all the languages, are just pointers and not it….yet it is undeniable…right here and now!
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I like Douglas am looking desperately for what is at center, as Catherine puts it.
On one hand I know this is a true message but at other times it
seems as if this intelligent awareness, consiousness, or whatever we call it is a masochist. Why all the suffering just for ME (awareness) to find myself (awareness). Dream or not it is at times a nightmare. Who does that to themselves, a masochist, right??
I’ve been doing the pointing exercise off and on all day. I didn’t realize my husband was watching me as I pointed to things in the room and then at my tummy then at my head…he just shook his head and walked away… he thought I was a little crazy, now he has confirmed it!!I laughed so hard I almost wet my pants!! I needed that laugh!!! Thanks Catherine!!
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A trully lovely podcast,thank you.
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The attempt to find what you already are is the problem. Stop trying and simply be what you are. The label ‘me’ or ‘I’ is the not a problem – it is what is added onto it – that is where the ‘personalizing’ of this naked awareness ‘starts’. The naked awareness has no ‘I’ or ‘me’ to it – those concepts simply ‘appear’ and ‘disappear’ in that ‘space-like awareness’.
It ‘seems’ to be masochistic when it is judged from a reference point in mind. That is still the ‘sense of identity’ which appears as a discussion (a story) going on in the mind. ‘Who’ is that?
SEE that it is just another appearance – it is the mind labeling the immediate experiencing.
Be the intelligence – do the experiment somewhere where you will not be interrupted or observed by another. Respect the potency of the exercises. It may be the last private thing you ever ‘do’. In truly seeing that there is no self-center – then you won’t give a damn what anyone thinks. It is useless to ‘believe’ what we are told in regard to this.
Knowing that this clear ‘space-like awareness’ has no center and no boundary is the liberation from the concept of being a ‘me’. You are not going to believe it – you know – and intrinsically you already KNOW this. It is only the mind that doubts – and a doubt is only a thought. On present evidence, everything is clear and obvious. It IS and always has been so. It is only the mind that does not understand. It will NEVER understand because understanding is NOT in the mind. Understanding is BEING. And you ARE – and you KNOW that you ARE – that is not a belief.
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Bob, John Wheeler and now Catherine Harding point relentlessly at who we are.
As they all say, gather a ‘notion’ of that clear and aware space, because if that notion is not there, so to speak, all further concepts, questions etc will just be confusing.
Catherine points again and again at the immaculate, pristine, immediate awakefulness in which thoughts appear and disappear, in which sounds come and go.
Even while reading these blogs, how could these blogs even register without there being something for the blogs to register on…
Catherine says “where do you finish and where does the world start? You are the authority! Look and see!”
That Awakefullness is you…it is the natural state…everything appears in That.
You are the awakefulness…the world appears in that awakefulness.
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Thanks Gilbert,
Yes, I think I was looking for a belief in the mind (coming from a fundamental christian background) instead of just BEING.
“Mind labeling the immediate experience ( I have judged and labeled as long as I can remember) Understanding is BEING” Wow!
Enough said !!
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What you say is true Bill but how will that be seen if one lives in the confusion (in thought)?
In other words, how does one awake when they are asleep.
Hmmm…..can just pointing be enough to do that ? I wonder.
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Such notions as ‘I wonder if it can be enough’ could not arise unless one has not ACTUALLY done these clear and precise exercises that Catherine so patiently and lovingly guides one through (in the appearance).
All notions about someone being ‘asleep’ cannot survive the presence of the authority of what you ARE, this clear and present wakefulness.
Who is awake? Who is asleep? In THIS moment right NOW – isn’t it blindingly OBVIOUS that such notions are just an appearance – an idea about ‘someone’ (a thought or an appearance), a ‘someone’ that is not actually here in this thoughtless reality – in this ‘present evidence’ and included with those thoughts is there another ‘idea’ or an expectation that there is a ‘someone’, a ‘self’ or an ‘other than self’ that ‘will’ in ‘the future’, by some miracle or by some postulation in ‘my mind’, suddenly ‘appear’ to ‘become’ present and so ‘I’ can ‘then’ attribute ‘them’ with the ‘label’ ‘(You are now) Awake’?
Isn’t that very, very obviously nothing but a bunch of concepts? Right NOW?
How can one give them any authority – how can one believe in them, if they are SEEN to be nothing but mere concepts?
I do not wish to appear to be ‘rude’ but ‘who’ has ‘time’ to play mind games with all this? Hasn’t the mind game gone on long enough? (That is another concept by the way)
Isn’t it true that all such notions – about someone being asleep or awake, isn’t it all so very, very obvious that it is nothing but a bunch of concepts?
If not, then I must have jumped on the Wrong Bus. This one must be off to the Lunnibin.
As the old Zen story goes “Am I a man dreaming that I am a butterfly – or a butterfly dreaming that I am a man – dreaming that I am a butterfly?”
This clear, precise and immaculate wakefulness is formless – it does not matter whether it is a butterfly or a man or woman that appears in it. The form is formlessness – ‘long before’ a label ‘man’ or ‘butterfly’ is attached to it.
The nature of Wakefulness is ALL INCLUSIVE. The most ‘distant galaxy’ is an appearance in THIS and THIS is beyond all labels. We can only ‘point’ at it and yet there is nowhere and nothing that is not IT.
‘We personalize’ this wakefulness by identifying with the first form that appears in it – the (so-called human-) body. This body is the first form that appears in the immediacy of this ‘world’ – the body and the world are both appearances – the SAME appearance. How can you separate them from each other or from the wakefulness?
As the Buddha is reported to have said: “Samsara and Nirvana are NOT TWO”. (It may be of some interest to know that the word ‘Buddha’ means ‘awake’)
SEE that that body (of yours) is an ‘appearance’ – SEE that you are not that pattern that is appearing in this immediacy and SEE that the very claiming of it as ‘me’ is a story playing itself out in the clear and empty nature of mind.
Where is the SEEING happening? Where is the pure Knowing happening if not AS what you ARE? Any postulation that I am something other than THAT is just a thought.
SEE that whatever thought appears- it disappears. You cannot be something that appears and disappears. All notions about someone that had an ‘awakening’ or is ‘going to have some awakening’ is just an IDEA. SEE that clearly and the WHOLE seeking MODE falls away.
In Seeing this – you will NEVER need to BELIEVE the words of anyone EVER again.
That is what is on offer HERE.
When the alarm clock goes off, are you offended by the alarm clock?
If these words don’t ring loudly like an old fashioned alarm clock, then a hundred roosters at dawn won’t do the trick. It is all concepts.
If you need an apology – then please take one – but I am done with pussy footing around with this stuff.
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Gilbert, there is alot more to it then ‘just see’ and ‘just know’.
That’s all I’m saying.
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i respectfully and totally disagree ralph…there is so much less! anything added is a complete distortion
that’s what this is all about! rediscovering that pure place of seeing without the interpretations and delusions that ‘thought’ adds to THIS
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Spiritual Bookshops are crammed with thousands of books – most of them are totally useless. It is a multi-million dollar industry. It is all concepts, words, ideas. The most popular books are the most useless. The books that are very direct and simple are often the ones that the bookstore doesn’t bother to replace all that often.
A book that actually has the potency of stopping the mind is of no interest to a publisher, a distributor or a bookshop. It is all about selling lots of books to avid readers. The addiction to consuming more and more information is just fodder for the mind. ‘People’ very often say that they have an intellectual understanding of this non duality subject but they ‘know’ that they don’t live the understanding. That ‘know’ word they use should be ‘believe’.
If you attempt to live through concepts then ‘you’ are destined to remain stuck in the mind. Yet what you truly ARE is not in the mind at all.
The concept of what you are is an appearance in the mind, for sure – but can you say with all honesty that that concept is what you are?
The discrimination between this simple wakefulness and ‘thought’ is primarily a profound INSIGHT. But the essence of any insight is SEEING.
Now, isn’t SEEING happening right now? What insight do you imagine that you need?
Drop the imagination and SEE – be the SEEING. Everything you need to KNOW is already appearing in THAT. Mental constructs and all arguments are all included in the SEEING as content of that seeing. If you insist on being a ‘seer’ or a ‘knower’ then the mind will simply continue to oscillate between the seer and the seen or the knower and the known. The PURE functioning is SEEING-KNOWING.
There can be no rest for the mind. The agony of seeking for an answer in the mind is unnecessary. Yet see how impossible it is to convince anyone that there is NO answer in the mind. When I first heard that ‘information’ it puzzled me. Now there is NO doubt about it. Everyone is invited to lose all their doubts and all their anxiety, through what is offered in these programs on the UGC. The only cost is to give up their belief in ‘things’ that actually don’t exist. How amazing.
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A quote I read somewhere:
” use the mind to know the mind to get behind the mind ”
but use it.. you can’t simply just drop mind… understand it instead.
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Gilbert writes:
“In Seeing this – you will NEVER need to BELIEVE the words of anyone EVER again”
That’s good news!!
Respecfully: I wonder why people who see this.. continue to listen to Bob, John, Catherine & Gilbert, etc. I can see why they would help support the site for those who think they haven’t seen yet but why would the ones who have seen bother listening anymore? Why would people who have seen continue to go back to Bob’s house week after week? Do they need to be reminded? ……just wondering!
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ralph…’you’ can’t drop the mind because ‘you’ can’t do anything!
sandy… it’s an interesting question…refer to my response to ralph!
nothing more is needed…though hearing words that speak directly to the “I am that I am” as i’ve heard bob say…rings wonderfully resonant…lovingly bringing awareness back to the no-place it has never left!
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Sandy, you are right.
There is a point when nothing of that is needed, really.
I´m thinking in leaving the house….
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hi sandy
i honestly may not be entirely qualified to answer, as i haven’t seen bob or another teacher…except my flute teacher…who was the one that broke the non-duality vase over my head a few months ago…
i guess i’ll say that i had a whole host of assumptions of what would happen to ‘me’ or my personality if i saw the truth of non-doership or non-duality…i was worried i’d have to break up with my girlfriend and stop listening to music i like…because how can ‘nobody’ have a life!?
what i didn’t expect was that all of those fears and assumptions put me directly in contact with who this supposed entity of me really was…”I” was seen as just a thought right along with all the other thoughts and fears that come and go…wow…who saw it??? not “I”!!!
anyway…life really isn’t any different…except that it is amazingly different!! so hard to explain!!!!
anyhow…hope this helps!!!
nathan
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A quote I read somewhere:
“Reading “Spiritual” books is like peeing you pants in a snowstorm~
At first its all warm and cozy but within 20 minutes, your freezing your keester off”~
Been there, however but switched my addiction to web sites and “Spiritual”
youtubes videos…. Movin on up~
Gilbert,,, YES on: “The agony of seeking for an answer in the mind is unnecessary. Yet see how impossible it is to convince anyone that there is NO answer in the mind”.
Being a father, this seems synonymous to the Fact that no matter how many times that I tell my kids that they don’t have to go through what I did and to learn from my experience >>> 99.9% of the time they Have To go and “Experience” it themselves to really “Get it”.
YES, The agony of Seeking, Period, seems unnecessary but I honestly don’t Know what is or isn’t necessary anymore, as ALL of it seems to have brought me to this Moment.
Exqusite Pod Cast and I echo Nathan’s comment :
The practical truth of these experiments are explosive enough by themselves…done in concert with any other inquiry should be enough to get to the bottom of all ‘this’!
Thank You for Brightening This and many Moments~
Mark
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Yes………everything is valid in ‘the appearance’ – in its immediacy – in its IMMEDIACY.
Nothing brought anyone to this ‘moment’ – it only ‘appears’ to have brought you to ‘this moment’ – because what you truly are has NEVER left THIS.
There is no past and no future. YOU are ‘this immediacy’ and nothing but THIS. It is only an idea that suggests otherwise.
The passage of time is an appearance, an illusion appearing in this continuity of presence – which is never divided into moments, seconds, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades or eons.
‘We’ use the mind to understand the mind – in doing so we FIND (intelligence rises up) that ‘the mind is time’ and that ‘I am beyond the mind’. But just saying such things as an excuse to pardon the indulgence of still believing in the entity ‘me’ – for oneself is just a mind game.
There are heaps of gurus and teachers who will pacify the mind and make you feel all fuzzy and spiritual. As Nisargadatta says: “If you continue to listen to my words, you will be robbed of everything you believe in” (paraphrasing his words).
If anyone approaches this ‘subject’ as a form of entertainment, they are in for a ‘rude awakening’. It may not be a pleasant thing to be robbed of one’s sacred beliefs – but it is actually totally liberating – and it is not the liberation that ‘a spiritual person dreams of’.
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Thanks Nathan, your words help a great deal.
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SEE that that body (of yours) is an ‘appearance’ – SEE that you are not that pattern that is appearing in this immediacy and SEE that the very claiming of it as ‘me’ is a story playing itself out in the clear and empty nature of mind.
Gilbert,
If what I am is “the seeing” then there is no effort or labor to it, right? The seeing is being done now even if the mind is playing itself out. I am the SEEING. So it would be impossible for me(awareness) not to see? In other words my mind is making up a story of me not seeing which is not possible if I AM THE SEEING? Is that correct or am I off the mark on this?
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Yes that is correct, except the ‘I am’ does not see – it appears as the mind translates this immediate experiencing….it is all stories. The SEEING is pure function-ING – The SEEING is the actuality – not the ‘seer’ or the ‘seen’ – the seeing is devoid of stories altogether. They simply appear on that Wakefulness or SEEING.
This revelation may leave one speechless – for awhile.
What you truly are is nothing more or less that the SEEING.
So, it may be clear why no knowledge of this can be transmitted.
If you follow what Catherine is introducing in the program, then it may well dawn on you – that you are indeed clear and empty. It does not mean that the mind will alter what it does – it simply means that it is all appearing within the scope of the SEEING.
Whether the mind says “I don’t see it – or I do see it” – the fact is the ‘I’ cannot SEE.
It is just a thought and how can a thought see anything?
Most ‘people’ follow what the mind is translating this immediacy of experiencing into…..words and stories and they imagine that that somehow has some ‘reality’ to it.
I exaggerate not when I say that what is on offer here through these programs is radically different to what we see being pushed at us with the label of ‘The Teaching’. In fact most of the teachers and the teachings are diametrically opposite to ‘this’ that is on offer.
Yet there is no one around here blowing any trumpets and waving flags or making a hullabaloo about it. These programs offer a range of clear pointing from different ‘speakers’. There is nothing in these programs that ask you or anyone to believe anything. All it is is pointing – SEE for yourself. You are not going to take anyone’s words for it, unless you are a fool. I sometime get a little pushy because there is a lot that could be said about this – but it is not a matter of leading anyone to the ‘living waters’ and making them drink. ‘You’ have to ‘rise to the call’ – and that impulse if genuine will take you ‘exactly where you need to go’ – so to speak. That is a figure of speech. There is nowhere to go and nothing to get – but you have to SEE that truth for yourself. If one takes it on as an attitude, with non duality jargon tossed around by an ‘ego’, which I see frequently, it is just a fooling of oneself – and that includes quite a few teachers and gurus. Enough said.
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All the Harding experiments, including those in this program – are available through the link provided on the program title page.
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Actually, if you pick one pointer or one experiment and stick with it – it is enough. It is not about making ‘a career’ out of it.
- – - – -This radical ‘way’ introduced by Douglas claims that modern man is more likely to see ‘Who he really is’ in a minute of active experimentation than in years of reading, lecture-attending, thinking, ritual observances, and passive meditation of the traditional sort. – - – - -
(I say) Beyond all our conceptualizing the blindingly obvious ‘fact’ is that you ARE. There is NO local ‘point’ to this obvious, natural clear space-like awareness of being. Everything is contained in THAT, including all thoughts, all talking, all ‘things’.
Everything that appears is not separate from the KNOWING – it is ALL the KNOWING. “All KNOWING”. ‘You’ can wrestle with this ‘fact’ as much as you like and it will ‘do nothing’ to change THIS. The ‘little me’ is just a concept appearing – believing in it and that it will blossom into some concept called ‘enlightenment’ is the ‘creme de la creme’ of all the ‘spiritual-ized concepts’. Believing that ‘someone else’ has ‘got it’ is a trap and believing that ‘you’ will also ‘get it’ is the same trap. Like it or lump it, that is the way it is. All arguments for or against THIS are mere appearances in the mind.
‘When’ the tediousness of chasing your own tail ‘gets to you’ enough, maybe ‘then’ the mind game will reveal itself – but this will not happen as long as you keep indulging in the concept that there is ‘someone there’ who is going to ‘become’ something that you are not already. Look at a tree. The tree is not looking for its own being – it just is.
It is not complaining that it can’t SEE the truth. It is not complaining about the weather. It is simply being. It may be split in two by lightning or roughed up by howling winds – and the living-ness just keeps expressing itself until the tree dissolves back into the elements. It does not have any concepts about being separate – why should you?
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It really has nothing to do with acceptance, right? I think I have been caught up in the thinking (story) that if I could just accept or surrender to the howling winds, the lightening and the livingness then I could be free of suffering….I guess that’s just “me’ indulging in the concept that there is “someone” there to accept or surrender?
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Exactly. ‘We’ take ourselves to be this relativity of being, a story and then we complain about the conditions apparently present. But if you investigate these conditions that seem so unfair and so restricting, what one finds is that they are all ‘concepts’ including the sense of presence that has been labeled by the mind as ‘I’ or ‘me’ or ‘Sandy’ or ‘whoever’.
Non Duality MEANS not two. So, even in the basic logic of the so-called mind, that means that YOU must be this ONE without a second. As far as the limited vision of the physical eye ‘sees’ whatever is ‘seen’ is WITHIN the scope of THIS ONE. What NEEDS to be ‘seen’ is the notion of being a ‘seer’ – the ACTUAL seeing of that for what it IS – a thought – the thought ‘I see’. The ‘original’ ‘story of me’ started there – a ‘personal narrative’.
Now, the ‘trouble seemingly caused’ by this narrative is not in the past – it is its appearance and the indulgence in it NOW that needs to be recognized. WHERE can it be recognized from? From this clear space-like awareness – THIS cognition right NOW. There is KNOWING – that is the basis of everything – without it what could possibly be known?
You KNOW – it is ALL KNOWING. ‘We’ have seemingly forgotten, as Catherine points out so eloquently. Listen again to the program……as often as it is needed. You are this KNOWING – full stop.
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Is this what you are saying?
If I were to list all the complaints I have about my conditions. Every single one of them would be just a concept, right? Including the “me” that thinks it has all these complaints? What’s left then? Oh my God….clear space awareness which means nothing is left!
I’ve got Catherine on my ipod…I’m going to listen now! What else can I say! Nothing!
Thanks!
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Actually it doesn’t ‘matter’ what anyone says. It is the direct and immediate recognition that cuts through everything and reveals what has always been HERE – this knowing.
When the mind cannot find any words to describe this experiencing – then a stillness beyond conceptualizing ‘appears’ as an expansive living ‘sensation’ as subtle as space itself. This infinitely subtle ‘sensation’ is the first ‘thing’ to appear and it cannot be negated. It cannot be separated from the pure being-ness. You are actually beyond this subtlety and as THAT ‘beyond’ there is nothing – No Thing. The realm of the infinitely subtle ‘registers’ on THAT. Words cannot describe it and they don’t need to and there is actually no wish to do so.
The KNOWING is undeniable and there is no need to affirm it and no possibility to deny it. One could say: that there is just a knowing presence, a knowing that there is no ‘you’ there that knows anything at all. It is simply this clear and immaculate ‘presence’. Enough said. Except maybe this: In the light of that revelation it should be obvious that anyone who implies that THEY are enlightened – it is nothing but an obvious charade of the mind only.
Note: These comments are made because most usually there is no one else that appears to clear these things up. A few of my (local) colleges make the odd comment implying that I am hogging the scene. But I don’t see many of them sticking their necks out and putting their words up here.
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Knowing that there is No ‘You’ to receive this, Gilbert, I’ll just shoot this one off into space.
Your relentless pointers and clarity ARE the meat and potatoes of this program.
Most of the comments and questions from “seeming” others have been so similar to one’s that ‘this mind’ comes up with.
You answer those questions or Point to the reality of what is obviously taking place Now, like:
“The KNOWING is undeniable and there is no need to affirm it and no possibility to deny it.”
It’s the “Taste” of That which taints my palette and won’t leave, no matter how much I spit, spew or try to deny.
Thank you~
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“My (local) colleges make the odd comment implying that I am hogging the scene. But I don’t see many of them sticking their necks out and putting their words up here.”
Gilbert, thanks for taking the time to share the “words”….they are so much more to me than just words!!!
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I had the funniest thought…only the illusionary self would seek to end the illusionary self!!! HA HA HA HA HA !!!
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YES~! Sandy~ Isn’t That a Divine Comedy~
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Yes, Mark it feels as if I’m in some kinda comedy. Since you guys realize that there is no”me”, do you just kinda watch and see what happens everyday? I mean, I know there is planinng for certain things but do you just see what comes up.
I was looking into my dogs eyes this morning and I can see that there is no one there. I looked into the mirror and felt the same way about myself.
This is freaking me out.. oh yeah there is no “me” to freak out! Ha!
Why don’t more people know about this?
So sorry! I know I’m hogging the scene. A least I have no local colleges to imply that I am. Hell, I don’t even know anyone who would ever even speak about this kinda thing! Oh my God! I feel like I jumped from a cliff and there is no turning back!
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*(I)* will let someone *(Else)* answer that question~
All I can say is that (here), planning takes place when needed, what comes up, comes up and there is just an effortless unfolding which sometimes looks like effort.
Wierd huh?
Warmly,
Mark
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Gilbert your comments are mindblowing – literally.
thank you!
Esp the ones about body being the first appearance…. is it fair to say that the body is the first appearance that allows the appearance of the world? I have absolutely no problem with “I am not the body” – that is really clear and obvious. However the difficulty for me is that this body (mine) seems a bit ‘special’ – undeniably so. A hammer on your thumb does not bother me at all but a hammer on my thumb is a different matter altogether.
How does one realize that, as far as appearances go, this body is on the same ‘level’ as all other appearances? That is the big sticking point here….
thank you for all the stuff you wrote – the are seeping in.
S
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Gilbert, the urban guru cafe, without your comments would be utterly meaningless; your pointers often hit the bull’s eye; make their mark and disappear into the seeing. Your relentless and uncompromising pointing is the cream and sugar of this “cafe”. Your words are not empty words…they have an authority that rings true…just as Niz’s did; and your patience is commendable; as I’m sure most would agree. Cannot thank you enough….
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Gilbert is no one, or nothing much more than a telegraph boy.
Without that intelligence, without that ‘pure awareness’ right there ‘where’ you are, then nothing would have any meaning whatsoever. The words of ‘another’, spoken or written, may seem to pass through an opening, even as small as a pinhole, and touch something in one. That ethereal membrane upon which this ‘hole’ appears to be, is actually a concept of separation. That concept is added to – a body appears, woven out of light.
When the words strike bullseye that ‘hole’ grows and insights happen.
‘It dawns on you’ that you are the First Instant – the ONLY instant of Everything there is.
The Membrane is gone and is replaced by the Vastness of This All inclusive Presence.
So words like “I am THAT” appear.
This light of knowing cannot be turned off.
The only problem there appears to be is that ‘people believe in thoughts’ – they don’t SEE that the thoughts are light vibrating into patterns. A ‘Person’ actually can’t see at all. ‘People’ APPEAR in the SEEING. Everything is contained in the SEEING.
What you truly ARE is prior to the ‘animals’, prior to the planet, prior to the solar system – and prior to the spark that lights the heavens.
Prior to speech. That is why one is left speechless as true understanding opens up.
Speech returns…….but the meaning has changed.
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You tell ‘em Catherine: “you must look, you are the ultimate authority”. Despite the intoxicating allure of the cave-dwelling monk in Bhutan or the SUV driving, self-appointed master in Orange County, we are ultimately responsible for SEEing.
Quick question – am well aware that practices are widely considered to be the work of the devil/ego (one and the same, really) but does consistent and repeated Full Stopping and noticing our Headlessness until Awareness gets used to itself have any merit?
Thanks!
Kirk
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A Beautiful podcast
Thanks.
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Gilbert,
It’s wonderful that there is going to be part 2 with Catherine, her experiments have caused an opening for me and are really appreciated.
Is it possible YOU ( the telegraph boy) could be Areti’s next interview?
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F Dream: Some of these points were pointed out to me by Bob Adamson – always with ‘plenty of room’ for a direct discovery for oneself as to the truth of whatever is being pointed out – and those points are no longer theoretical or ‘the mere words of another’ – and they are now expressed fresh and new, in different words quite often, as well as new points that have been realized, sometimes in the moment of expressing them – whatever the case may be, there is a most inexpressible intimate knowing of what is being expressed – and the necessary words spontaneously appear ‘out of that knowing’ – sometimes even to surprise ‘myself’, if you know what I mean.
There is no need to say they are ‘my words’ but it can be said to be so, simply in order to distinguish them from what someone else has expressed ‘before’. There is also a knowing of what Bob is pointing out ‘first hand’ – (not second hand knowledge) – same equation with the words of Nisargadatta are not a mystery ‘here’ – and they is no subservient attitude to either of these men ‘here’. Worshiping a guru has never appealed to me at all. I always wanted to KNOW for myself. That is what ‘drove me’ for so many years it would seem – I wanted to understand for myself. I would advise this ‘way’ to anyone = because ‘it works’ and I can attest to this as ‘a living fact’.
Their ‘message’ was received with an open mind and is no longer needed to be received again. Why would one read a telegram over and over?
You could say that I love them both equally. One I know in this ‘physical world’ and one I did not meet – but they are exactly the same ‘knowing presence’ as I am. AND they are the same Knowing Presence that YOU ARE also. This knowing presence is nothing other than that fact of being which you cannot negate – trust THAT and it will take you ‘where you need to go’.
One could say that it is unfortunate that many have ‘learned’ the language and phrases and the expression quite often, coming from these ones, is hollow and empty – it quite obviously remains theoretical for them, even though they speak with such confidence it seems. It is easy to upset these fragile ‘gurus’ because their ‘foundations’ are based on beliefs only. Belief is NEVER that actual KNOWING. Bob is the only one I have ever met who is so obviously ‘the unshakable knowing’ of what he is pointing out.
I have never met myself, so how can I include myself in that?
I find it quite amusing how so many ‘sacred persona’s’ get so ‘wound up’ by something that this ‘I’ here has no control over.
Some are offended by the apparent display of an ‘ego’ here and the fact that the judgment being made is from their own ego is not recognized. What concern should I have about that? I don’t actually care about that at all. It is just the ways of the world, wonderful and wretched at the same time.
Sandy, Anything is possible in this universe. There are others who can be interviewed and will be.
I already have several programs here, with my so called ‘pointers’. Anyway, let’s see what happens. In a way so much is said – and it only takes one ‘pointer’ to ‘do the trick’ so to speak. It takes one by surprise – and it is most usually unexpected. In some ways we fill ourselves with all this ‘knowledge’ and ‘expectation’ and it acts like a barrier. The mind grasps at ‘things’ and what needs to be recognized is not a ‘thing’. Catherine’s programs are excellent as long as there is an openness there to ‘hear’ and ‘explore’. The next one will appear soon and I am sure that those who have appreciated part 1 will also enjoy the unexpected content of part 2. Warm regards – Gilbert.
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I had read Harding a while back but didn’t get it…. After the podcast I looked him up again…. Wow.
Being a person trained in sciences, I realised that all refutations of what he says, are merely ASSUMPTIONS.
What is REAL? Something that is always True-Unchanging-Consistent. On Present Evidence.
One experiment consists of cutting a hole in a paper for my head and seeing how, as my head fits the hole, the boundary stretches to infinity. This led down the trail of…
“Well the hole is 8 inches apart, so it just means I can’t see it, that’s all, doesn’t mean that it is in-fact stretching to infinity….”
However, what do I measure it with? A Scale. The Scale, too spreads out the closer I get to it. One inch from 5 feet away is not the same as one inch from one inch away. That’s the amazing thing! There is absolutely no Absolute Consistent! A building that’s 3 centimeters wide from 10 miles becomes large enough for me to enter when im at its doors. What size is it really? What is its ABSOLUTE reality? Does it even HAVE an absolute Reality-absolute size-absolute form? The only conclusion is that everything stretches/compresses depending on point of view, there is no stable, absolute consistent reality in this world of form.
I dunno what else to say, its freaky. Undermines the whole basis of everything.
The men in white suits will be coming anytime now…:)
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Feral Dream,
I know how you feel, it is really freaky!
Realization has taken place as for as knowing that there is no “me”
but I don’t realize who I am. This leaves me feeling to be honest, fearful.
I don’t know why I would understand what I’m not and still not SEE who I AM!
I feel like the person who jumped off a cliff and is flailing around right before hitting the ground!
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All the habitual reference points lose their hold…….and disappear…….just like if you are in a thick fog. The mind may feel confusion, a grasping at anything. Just feel the fact that your feet are firmly grounded – what you are is firmly grounded in BEING – and that does not need any support from any other ‘thing’. The fog will clear and everything will be clear again…….yet you have tasted something profoundly liberating – You did not disappear without all th reference points (the past or future). See ‘who’ it is that ‘runs back to mummy’ – See ‘who’ it is that grasps at the familiar ‘bondage of self’.
Don’t be like the man who found where God lives.
There is an old saying: “Face the fear and it is the death of fear.”
The sense of falling eases off – the limbo time fades away – thoughtless reality is nothing to be afraid of.
The basic point is this: The seeker is NEVER a finder. What you seek you already ARE.
The dizziness from being on the hamster wheel will dissipate once you get off the wheel.
Thoughts will still appear and if you leave them as they are, they will remain as they are.
It is belief in thoughts, believing that they are reality, that is the problem.
Stay with the feet firmly grounded in BEING. Drop the rest and SEE if there is truly anything to be afraid of.
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Sandy,
Give everything you have to that fear…see what it is…go into it…it is not separate from you…it may sound weird, but that fear is a gift! The ‘me’ is that fear…see if it is real.
Feral…reminds me of the saying about the penny that hides the sun…
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Sandy,
Yep – I know. For some reason the ‘fear’ factor is un-addressed … everyone expects/talks about the bliss, the peace etc. – but suddenly finding no ground to stand on…. It was definitely the worst terror I have felt that I have any memory of.
Here is a description of what ‘happened’ when I spoke with John Wheeler – Assuming you are caucasian, imagine, suddenly, you find yourself in a room of a house and discover you are called “Devi”. Devi is east Indian, has 2 brothers and one husband, five children. Devi lives in Mumbai somewhere. You find yourself in “Devi’s” body, her hubby and kids are in the next room watching a TV program. You have Devi’s 32 years of memories, her childhood, teens etc, you have no problem poking back into any part of her past. There you are, wrapped in a sari, in an apartment in Bombay. How alien would that feel to you?
This is what happened to me. My Name, my entire life, all my memories, were suddenly ALIEN! It was manifestly clear as the sun on a summer day that I was not who I thought I was, for 38 years of my life!! It was a primal fear that came up..…every pore in my skin was screaming “WHO the F am I, What the F is going on, why the F am I here???!!!”
I almost hung up on John, didn’t want any more of it!
But….im trying to setup another call in the next 2 weeks
John told me…”the seed is planted, let it settle, relax…”
Gilbert – thanks for your advice…. it helps.
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“I feel like the person who jumped off a cliff and is flailing around right before hitting the ground!”
…interesting…someone somewhere described it like this… “you feel like you’re hanging by a branch on the edge of a deep and rocky cliff only to find when the branch breaks that you were in fact already standing on the ground”
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Thank you Gilbert, Nathan & Feral Dream for taking time to share with me. Your words mean so very much to me!!!!
I am taking time to really absorb what is being said. I’m amazed how all your words speak so directly to my concerns! Thanks again!
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There is so much to glean from your words but these 3 things stand out concerning fear and give great relief!
Gilbert: “Face the fear and it is the death of fear.â€
Nathan: “Give everything you have to that fear…see what it is…go into it…it is not separate from you…it may sound weird, but that fear is a gift! The ‘me’ is that fear…see if it is real.”
Feral Dream: “John told me…â€the seed is planted, let it settle, relax”
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ALL of ‘our fears’ are about ME. The natural state is NOT the ‘me’.
In the pure SEEING there is no ‘me’ to get in the way. The ‘me’ enters the ‘scene’ only once the mind starts to translate the actuality. Stay AS the actuality, as the pure SEEING – be nothing but the SEEING. One recognizes that everything, EVERYTHING is an appearance in that SEEING. So, how can an ‘appearance’ harm you? Only if there is belief in the appearance can it ‘seemingly’ threaten what you are – YET what you ARE cannot be threatened or harmed. THAT is what some call ‘The fearless-deathless spirit’.
Once we break out of our uncomfortable ‘comfort zone’ of believing in being this ‘little me’ then a sense of partial freedom ‘appears’ – but that ‘appearance’ is not an appearance at all – it is the natural state rising up out of the mire of the mind – it was NEVER truly covered by the mind content. Our true essence recognizes this – it is not ‘you’ or a ‘me’ that recognizes this or anything. The ME cannot SEE. Now, SEEING is happening and there is only one SEEING. Why bring the ‘me’ into that? It is an unnecessary limitation.
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Gilbert,
The “me’ is just as much an appearance as the fear? If there is no “me” there is no fear? They are both appearances? Right?
All I really need to know about the “me and the fear” is that they are not who I AM… HA HA HA HA..
I feel as if I don’t have to speak of “fear again! What is there to say about it? Nothing! ha ha ha!
Thank you thank you!
Now…..Who AM I?
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Listen to the program again. It is the EXPERIENCING, direct and immediate experiencing of what is being pointed to that ‘clicks’ or resonates in being. It is not what one expects it to be – always uniquely fresh, open, clear and immaculate. THAT is our true nature – indescribable.
The ‘me’ is the ‘fear’. The me is a belief in something that does not exist. The fear is of not existing. ‘Paradox’ implodes on itself.
Now, who am I? – Better to ask WHAT am I? The ‘who’ aspect is endless psychology.
Now look at ‘who’ is there to ask the question “Who or what am I?”
As Bob points out so clearly “The question is the questioner”….and….”Where do both of these appear?” ON or in this awareness that I AM. They are appearances only.
When anyone says that they know who they are, it sounds a little off to my ear.
When ‘I’ did the (famous)”Who am I question” many years ago, all that was experienced was that ‘the question’ kept falling away – I could not hold the question for long – it kept slipping out of the ‘scene’. Actually, if you really look at it, you can’t hold any thought for long because it vibrates into new forms. That in itself should be highly informative.
The ‘ha ha ha’ expression is a little out of place. It is not a laughing matter – because until this habit of believing in the old thought patterns is completely dissolved, what is there to laugh about except the mind game? Whatever ‘answer’ that comes can never be a conclusion because whatever conclusion ‘you come up with’ will also vibrate into a new pattern, often the opposite to itself. That is the nature of dualistic mind. One must understand the mind and STOP believing in it. No one can make you do this, not even yourself – but in SEEING through the habitual ways of the mind, the belief dissolves by itself. It is NOT a ‘doing’.
I don’t mean to spoil the party – so laugh if you want to – but remember that ‘crying’ is just around the corner ‘until’ you SEE that they are both equal.
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Hi Gilbert, And All
IF I “believed in” a Guru path, and a lineage from Sri Dattatreya down thru Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj and on to our very dear ‘Sailor’ Bob Adamson, I would have to assert with exuberance that Bob has a Perfect Successor in one Gilbert Schultz! These sharp and perfectly elucidated pointers AND your NO bullshit approach are so potent, it is a mystery how the clear obvious Vacantness of Being-Awakeness-Affinity can be missed… yet so it seems!
What great fun.
A point? As you say “there is NO duality on non-dualityâ€. How could a thought (I-mind) possibly grasp this?
I spoke with a very nice fellow in the UK last night: He was clinging to the intellect and said “this is really difficult to grasp hold of”. The response? No, it is not difficult; it is patently impossible.
And yet you are present and aware whilst attempting to use the mind to grasp the ungraspable. The mind believes ‘I think therefore I amâ€. That is such a blatant misconception! Before that thought I appears YOU ARE and this naked simplicity is absolutely free and clear of all conceptual structures and spiritual edifices built by an insecure tiny assumption, namely “I am ME and YOU can’t tell me I am not meâ€!
Anyway, as a pointer this came, “Look. Just look. Are you aware? Are you present? It’s closer to say: “I Am, and thinking arises in the Space I Am”. Aren’t you being – even before you cognize the next thought”? There was a palpable sense of relaxing as this sank in. The pointer that sets us free from the notion of “us or we or me†consist directly in the Sanskrit “Advaita†which translates to means NOT TWO. So this Naked Reality is both beyond and WITHIN all that IS and all that APPEARS. Not Two. Not One. No Thing. Empty. Filling itself with experience-ING. Life-ING. Love-ING Be-ING.
No separation exists anywhere – yet the sense-feeling “I am me and not you†can persist until deeper investigation arises. This is Oneness seeking Itself! Totally bizarre in a profound way, yet so it seems to be that the One has divided itself and is now seeking to undivide itself. The cosmic Play! The sun burns. The earth rotates. The galaxies shine. The pointing happens. ALL happens spontaneously all by itself. To whom? To No One which is also One and All. By whom? No one and yet the Life Force urges and out come words and music of The One. Like a cosmic Broadway Musical! Grand OPERA!
Stunning, isn’t it? the wonder of Being All This?
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Gilbert: “Listen to the program again. It is the EXPERIENCING, direct and immediate experiencing of what is being pointed to that ‘clicks’ or resonates in being. It is not what one expects it to be – always uniquely fresh, open, clear and immaculate. THAT is our true nature – indescribable.”
It seems that now I can listen..before I was caught up in the fear thing!
After you pointing out so clearly that the “me” is the fear …laughter happened!!!
Charlie Hayes: ALL happens spontaneously all by itself. To whom? This is Oneness seeking Itself
Thanks guys!!
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A pleasure, Sandy!
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Any plans to add Burt Jurgens to the bill (very clear, eloquent, no bovine residue presenter of this stuff)? Has had a considerable jackhammer effect upon this particular cement laden cranium.
Kirk
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“What is my original face?”
When the impact of this question sunk in, I had a half-hour of utter helplessness and despair… the image came up of all us peoples walking about with boxes on our heads, living oblivious of what we REALLY “look” like …or what we really Are… there was an overpowering sense of despair that i would never be able to see myself because i am in fact caged by myself… this probably doesn’t make much sense…. meaning i can never see what I truly AM because i cannot separate myself from Me …I can never become an object to myself. The idea came up that this is a prison…. that true freedom would be to separate from myself…to be attached to nothing, not even (and especially) my own self! This sounds nonsensical i know. There is still a lingering feeling of being imprisoned, caged….by what? the body?
not sure…
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Freedom is not when you are out of the net…
But when the net is not!
(Anon)
As soon as any concept or thought arises, look and see what that concept arises in…
and that is the natural state!
How awesome is this natural state!
We ignore it because we are so used to it…but what is this mystery that allows seeing to occur. What is it that holds and cradles these concepts…even though this Awesomeness is the arising concept itself.
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Feral Dream,
When I was grapppling with the idea of never knowing what I am, holding this simple but profound thought helped a great deal. I found that I could not hold this thought and be tormented at the same time.
” The wholeness I seek I already Am”
Hope it helps a little…
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Hello All:
The pointers that have been expressed by Gilbert and Bob and all their guests have been ‘most poignant and direct that I have seen on the internet’!( or elsewhere)
Yet there seems to be a disproportionate response in the ‘Actual Seeing’!?
Is this because no serious ‘Self Enquiry’ has taken place? and one sets oneself up as a ‘Seeker’ hoping to get the so called ‘Direct Transmission’ or whatever from a so called teacher or ‘Guru’?
Love,
Suki
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Being a freind and so called publisher of Bob, does not cut it mate!!
Ego seems to be well rampant here!
Give your head a shake!
The ease of nd language and hence a long time seeker of Being and what not! has become a major force over your so-called life and imagnitive expression.
“KNOW ONE KNOW’S ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING”
Love,
Suki
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Bill and Sandy -
thank you!
Any thought of freedom/imprisonment is just a thought! It is not the thing itself. So if I am want to be free, let me first see if I am IN FACT in a prison. If I am in one, that will be True regardless of the thought so let me drop the thought of ‘being caged’ and see if I am still in a cage!
I believe it was Niz who said “you can only suffer in thought” or something like…
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Suki:
Is this because no serious ‘Self Enquiry’ has taken place? and one sets oneself up as a ‘Seeker’ hoping to get the so called ‘Direct Transmission’ or whatever from a so called teacher or ‘Guru’?
Maybe I am setting myself up as seeker..hope not but could be. I know nothing about teachers or gurus. So, if I am waiting for a “direct transmission” I’m not aware of it. I’m new at this whole thing. This first time I even heard of non-duality was about 2 months ago. Never meditated or any of that bull shit! I came out of a fundamental christain background. I did the pick up the cow shit thing for years.
Respectfully: You sound like those preachers who visit churches once and awhile and tell everyone what’s wrong with them how they are not getting with the program and then they add but I love you!
KNOW ONE KNOW’S ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHINGâ€
I agree “NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING”
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I’m curious, how did you get the name “SUKI” did some guru transmit that to you?? Just wondering?
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It’s just a name (a label). Not important! What is important is are you free from suffering?
Warmest regards,
Suki
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Good point…..No, I still suffer!
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There is NO TRANSMISSION.
You ARE THAT. Start right there. If you start anywhere else then you are stuffed like a Thanksgiving Turkey.
When the ancient wise ones say “All knowing” “All Presence” “All Power (potency)” they are not talking about any ‘thing’ ‘UP THERE somewhere’. It is a direct pointing at what you ARE. Recognizing THIS is the dissolution of ‘separation’. Every-THING is the KNOWING – the PRESENCE – without ever splitting up into ‘parts’. You as that seeming separate ‘thing’ is INCLUDED naturally – but your mind tells stories and they are believed.
It is KNOWING that cuts belief to shreds. – G
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I know there is NO transmission…You miss the point I was making to Suki about her little “spiritual” label..
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Sandy:
You said,”Good point…..No, I still suffer!”? can a ‘thought’ suffer?
What is aware of that thought? Don’t answer, just take a look first then…..
suki
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Gilbert:
As per your suggestion:”There is no ‘I’ that suffers. SEE that it is only a ’story’ (a mind translation) – drop the story and SEE what happens to the suffering.” I will say that work is in progress:)
Warmest Regards,
Suki
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Catharine communicates this message with so much love and ease. What a delightful inspiration she is!! Thank you Gilbert and Areti for presenting so many facets of the jewel.
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im really new guys i just have a question. keep it basic cause i dont know much of what im talking about. While listening to this podcast I started to think if we are all one then why is it that when i get attacked and get hurt physically do “I” feel it. You guys probably would never know it happened. I feel like my fears do imprison me however arent they somewhat necessary? to keep from getting hurt?
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Maybe someone like Bill Tys can answer your question. It seems that my words are too harsh for some.
(later) Well Bill didn’t come through – nor did anyone else I see. Sheesh. I am supposed be on a break.
Have a look at ‘who’ this is that gets hurt? It is the mind associating events with the ‘me’, the self-image – a story of ‘who I think I am’. Is any of it real? have a look.
Fear is a useful thing it would seem. If a snake appears at your feet, you will move away to safe ground pretty quickly. This is life preserving action. We need not name it as fear. When we name it as fear, as something we have experienced before then by association all other things we have named as ‘fear’ join in and it gets blown up out of proportion. We fear things that may never happen and torment ourselves with all kinds of imaginary things.
See everything as fresh and new. Once we get lumbered down with ‘the past’ then things can flow less smoothly. Being new to this stuff is a great advantage, not a handicap. Those who have been around ‘non duality’ for years are less likely to see things fresh, because they ‘think’ they understand it all – but it is just conceptualization.
The life style of ‘belonging’ to a ‘group’ year after year is about the ‘organization of the truth’ – it is a prison and it is the devil’s playground.
THIS is not about compart-mentalizing anything or naming anything. It isn’t about anything – it is this SEEING clearly in THIS instant – (prior to thoughts and labels).
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Hi all, I’m a bit late on the scene here [nobody has posted for a week ] but to answer Sandy’s question about those that “see” continuing to listen to this or other ‘SPIRITUAL ‘ stuff, or keep going to Bob’s place,…some do and some don’t! Once Bob has done his work of of getting you to the place where you no longer need his or anybody else’s help there is no NEED to follow this stuff. I have been to Bob’s about eight times in eighteen months. The NEED to go subsided after about five visits. If I lived closer I might go more often [I live interstate]. Listening to a great podcast like this one is like enjoying a fine bottle of wine or a great movie. Some become wine buffs and some become movie addicts…some don’t – Luv to all,Tazzy.
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Greatings, urbangurucafe.com – da best. Keep it going!
Jinny
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It’s like we have been programmed to accept that we have a head, yet direct experience shows as we don’t, scheech, what else have we been programmed for . . .
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