29. In the Name of your God – part two
Follow what is pointed to – and SEE for yourself.
Short musical interludes by: Flamenco Arabe, The Klezmatics, Crowded House, Cheb i Sebbah, Bob Dylan, Fleetwood Mac, Don McLean, Jethro Tull, J.J. Cale, Al Stewart, The Alan Parsons Project, James Taylor, The Beatles, Pink Floyd.
Brief comedy from that classic comedy series ‘Faulty Towers’ and a pertinent voice cut from a great all-age movie “The City of Embers“.
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I just loved the end of that podcast
Radical honesty
Reminds me of the attempts of the “modern” medicine trying to catch the flies with canon balls! In fact every attempt from the mind to get something is useless. Because there is nothing to get. Got it!
I appreciate it all! Thanks Areti and Gilbert
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“The reflection is not in the mirror but of the mirror” quote from Sailor Bob Adamson.
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Everything happens by itself.
Everything takes care of itself.
No need to grasp, no need to not grasp.
Mind come and go, I don’t mind.
Body come and go, I don’t mind.
Doubt come and go, I don’t mind.
Confusion come and go, I don’t mind.
The Real is unassailable.
Thanks UBC
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The definition of REALITY is “That which does not change”.
So the apparent movement, the duration of any event is not IT.
To go from an apparent ‘not knowing this’ to a ‘knowing this’ is a change.
It is not reality – when taken to be separate from THAT. – By whom?
THAT is self-knowing.
What you ARE, you have always been.
There is no BECOMING.
ONLY BEING.
Even to say that the illusion ‘falls away’ is an illusion.
The ONE appears as ‘many’.
The ‘many’ is the ONE appearing to be ‘things’.
All things are an appearance – reflections of ONE ESSENCE.
Where are you SEEING from?
The one who insists that THEY KNOW along with its implicit implication that you ‘don’t know’ is not reality.
The one who merely points, without insistence, at THAT clearly and precisely, is also an appearance. That simplicity may not arouse any resistance.
Therefore it may appear to be more efficient. Innately you KNOW. That is the core factor to it all.
The ESSENCE of it all is THAT singularity – One Essence.
No one was ever lost in phenomena.
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MORE? What ‘more’ is there?
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Thanks Gilbert & Areti,
I downloaded this podcast to my ipod and listened today as often as the opportunity arose.
I will say, I like the way you don’t mince words. What you say is having an effect on me….. I’m just not sure how or what is taking place.
If everything is all inclusive then the things that are being imagined are being imagined by presence awareness, right? There really isn’t anyone here to imagine anything? Whatever is apprearing is what presence awareness is causing to appear?
The music is great and Areti, your questions are right on. Thanks again!
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We are the AWARENESS within this form. Isn’t that what we are, Gilbert?
Sure, we’re not the thoughts that tell ‘us’ we’re a seeker, or a guru; a spiritual whistle-blower, or a Regular Joe. But we are this form and pattern, right? With bad breath, and dirty bums requiring soap, sand or suds?
Repeatedly saying “There’s no one here” doesn’t seem to help those in the throes of psychological suffering. Who says, “There’s no one here”?
Well, the witty pattern of Gilbert from Down Under throwing the shit around, that’s who.
Anyway, Betsy called on the appearance arising as the internet and said she wants new pointers! Step up, mate.
Is it possible for you to switch tracks briefly and speak to those who would NEVER consider touching a Bay Area Satsang with a ten foot pole?
Seriously, the thoughts are trying to relax and see where all this frustration is coming from…
Has anyone ever taken a swing at you, Gilbert? As in “the appearance arising as” fisticuffs.
Anyway, love the site –
Pete “Hu Flung Poo” Wartsman
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All that you see is this appearance. All that you know is this appearance.
The Essence of it all is not visible or knowable.
It is the SEEING….it is the KNOWING.
All you are seeing is the MIRROR.
It is ALL INCLUSIVE.
The ‘it’ referred to in that sentence is what you ARE.
There is NO becoming.
No journey of a ‘self’.
Drop the dualistic concepts – of ‘love’ and ‘hate’, ‘sacred’ and ‘profane’ and – everything is clear and undisguised.
To Sri Sri Hu Flug Poo: Sheeshkabab, talk about giving oneself a name.
WHO says that there is a ‘me’? That is more to the point.
The cutting wit is nothing but intelligence in action. ‘Your wit’ is slow and cumbersome and you take everything personally. There is the problem.
See for yourself.
The awareness is not in the form. It is the form but not as it appears to be. It is ALL Awareness appearing as this and that.
In the appearance of things: Those who are repelled from the ‘satsang scene’ may well ‘smell a rat’. The ‘rat’ is the gurus ego. Those who don’t smell ‘a rat’, don’t smell the rat because their nose is full of the smell of their own ‘rat’ and so they sense some sort of affiliation with that guru’s ego – it ‘smells right’ to them – and there may be a subtle belief that if they hang around that guru then their ego may perfect itself into a comfortable existence, just like the guru ‘appears’ to portray. The refined discrimination necessary is not available through the mind of belief and time.
This discrimination is a spontaneous ‘happening’ prior to thought. It is KNOWING.
Many have been very close to taking a swing at me. Some have gone out of their way to try and discredit ‘ME’. It is the most absurd charade and totally laughable. The foundations I stand on are non existent so when they try to kick it out from underneath me, their foot goes straight through the empty space. What so many don’t appreciate is that anything can appear as a ‘trip switch’ for the recognition to happen.
The recognition is an appearance in time but the Cognition is Timelessly Present.
In other words, the recognition is ‘when’ time ceases to be a diversion – a cross roads where the concept of time fades into this moment – so the obscuring factors vanish and SEEING is uncluttered by mind content. So recognition is a ‘seeming’ moment of SEEING and yet SEEING is always present.
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Gilbert,
It seems that the psychological suffering that plagued me for so many years has begun to subside. Is it because I’m seeing that what I was longing for in life (love, happiness, contenment …etc.) is what I already am or is it because I’m now seeing there is no entity here to suffer. Or..maybe it’s both?
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One could say both. The SEEING is happening, always ‘was’. However seeing is not a ‘was-ing’ – it is ‘is-ing’. All the pure function-ing is ‘presently happening’ and it is uncontaminated by beliefs. Totally available but it isn’t thought. We take our thoughts to be reality and they are not.
It is only the mind that wander off with beliefs.
The ‘years’ of inadvertence are not a problem right NOW in the immediacy, so long as you don’t GIVE the thoughts and the story of me any energy.
You have been exposed to some radical information – the resonance of this opens up the ‘lanscape’ and more is seen of what is going on. Naturally energy is with-held from habitual belief patterns, so they are recognized for what they are.
All this describing may seem to help or not. For one it will be helpful and for another it will appear as an obscuring factor because the mind is fed with more material to play with and the old story of “i just don’t get it” gets another push as it does its regular rounds, in the mind.
The basic factor is you KNOW or there is KNOWING without a ‘you’ doing anything.
That is the Master Key. It may seem too simple but it isn’t TOO simple – it IS simple.
Far too simple for the likes of so many aspirants.
Just cease from seeking and BE. The natural state is already present – but it is WORDLESS – silent understanding.
This is why so many intellectuals get very cross. The mind is doing mental gymnastics and a stubborn old habit of ‘being right’ wont budge.
LIFE will crack that hardened case one way or another.
We don’t have to wait till our last breath to be free of psychological suffering.
No one believes it – but as I say over and over it is NEVER about belief.
It is KNOWING. Always Knowing. This KNOWING includes everything without a single exception.
Banging your head on a brick wall doesn’t feel any good until you stop.
Same with THIS.
Be happy – don’t worry – everything is unfolding just as it should.
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All the ‘guest speaker’s’ on this site are most welcome to share their comments. Few do. I keep the ball rolling and deal with the nut cases. We get a fair share of those. No need for gratitude. It is just part of the service. All complaints to the Complaints Department.
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Hi Areti and the two headed one, nice show, Thanks, Tazzy.
To Peggy, if you give attention to the pointers the facts will assert themselves, Tazzy.
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Oh yeah, I love that the music is not so overtly spiritual of late, Taraa, Tazz.
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One head Tazzy. One without a second. You’re the real Tasmanian. Just kidding.
We try to keep the comments in line with the content of the programs. A little fun now and then is cool. Warm regards – Gilbert
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You, as an identity, will never see yourSelf because a concept can’t see the Self. The activity of knowing can also not see itSelf because, logicially, knowing cannot be objectified–only “qualities of knowing” or “experiences” can arise as appearance. Any “thing” seen or known, even if assumed to be a subject doing the “pure witnessing” instantly becomes an object in what you are. The assumed subject and assumed object can only arise as OBJECTS or concepts/objects in the Seeing that you are. So, who or what ever has a problem if you are not any object and are instead that ultimate Subject that can never be objectified or qualified? It’s all just a story about a separate Me that never existed!
Great work on the tracks! I dig 60s & early 70s music all the time!
It’s great that those Zero and One sequences on the CDs have arisen in the appearance–this great music could last hundreds of years if the interest in the populace remains–at the very least, my children and grandchildren will hear it and they will like it!
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I can relate to your frustration Pete “Hu Flung Poo†Wartsman with Gilbert and wanting to take a swing at him.
Many times his response is annoying and maddening – always pointing in the same direction and saying the same thing no matter what question you ask.
Believe it or not but that is the strength of this side.
This incredible combination of spoken words with great music and then comments and answers always pointing in the same direction without any deviation and unnecessary confusion is what works.
It is brilliant!
Only INTELLIGENCE could come up with this combination.
Focus on his pointers only, stay with them till the ”words reveal them selves to you” as he said in this podcast.
The mystery of the ‘phenomena’ is impossible to describe in words, but when it reveals it self to you the words are obvious and the mind is stop in its tracks ( for a moment ). And after that you have more questions then before-the mind never stops.
The deeper meaning of ‘ Every Thing appears in Seeing’ and ‘ everything is Seeing’ was revealed last night – I just knew that there was more to this seeing than I have already understood.
I had no idea how precise Gilbert’s pointing was till this ‘revelation’.
I want to describe what I understood, what is impossible with words to describe, what is inexpressible but now I know better.The meaning of the words will reveal it self if you stay with pointers.
He is not talking to you or me ,the ONE is talking to ITSELF,
-then the mind comes in and wants more explanations , more words.
I don’t know how you do it Gilbert , it is a maddening job , and all that you get is THANKS a lot.
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“I” had an insight on why the guru/seeker relationship creates a loop that just perpetuates itself with no real “freedom” happening…What appears to happen is that the “guru” makes some statement on how THEIR life appears to be, such as, “I don’t see a problem anywhere, even as I’m falling down a flight of stairs!” That statement is “grabbed onto” by the seeker and a meaning is projected onto it something like “Wow, this guru is ABOVE it all and lives a life of being totally present 24/7…and “I” want that!” The guru’s comment becomes a complete HYPERBOLE to what is real. It appears the guru falls more deeply into the ego-trap of helping all these admiring seekers and still “believes” they are somehow helping…The guru/seekers then continue to live in a place of ignorance. As soon as some “me” claims something that “others” do not have, the game begins!
This shows that the only help that is valid is the pointing to : There is no “me” and SEE what you really are! It cuts through everything. It’s completely radical just as Gilbert points out!
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Great Podcast G & A~
I was talking to me Dad about this and the (my) search and he kinda bowled me over when he asked, “how far can a dog run into the woods, Mark”?
I dunno, Dad, how far? “Only half way, the other half he is running out of it.”
Then he proceeded to tell me to shut up, relax and stop questioning “What Is”….
A 70 year old ex-navy officer……hmmmm, alzheimers, dimentia, OR the truth of
“We must become as children again to enter the kingdom of……HearNow.
Twas kinda cool:)
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Wow Gilbert and Areti another brilliant podcast! Thanks so much! The coffee here is the best. I also love the music and the fact that Jethro Tull keeps coming back!
This may sound like a very basic question, but the words “seeing” and “knowing” keep coming up and I’m starting to wonder if those words have more meaning to them then I originally thought? Perhaps this is just the mind trying to over analyze things that are “too simple”?
The way I understand the words is that they point to the fact of my being. It is a deep understanding and certainty that I am the subject, the perceiver or the awareness and that I am not the content. There is no “seer” but only seeing as you often point out. So basically is this what you mean when you use those two words? Or is there something that I am missing? So seeing would be the perceiving of everything and knowing the understanding that this is what we really are.
Thanks again
Chris
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Hi Chris,
Okay, just a two cents worth: The point is, all suffering arises as an assumed effect of an assumed cause, that assumed-cause being the belief in an entity called “I” which simply does not exist. Never did! So to say “I am the subject” personalizes the impersonal, and that is a cage made of thought-believed-as-me. So in essence there is neither subject nor object. Yet it appears as two, “I/other”. To see appearance AS appearance is the “end result” of the clear pointing. Then (now) the obvious emptiness is seeing wholeness in the fact of no-person. What does the word “I” refer to? No Thing. Emptiness disguised as this all-appearing ever-changing play. The never-changing pervasiveness of ever-fresh Awareness-Knowingness simply cannot be “known” by the “I-assumption of a subject-knower. FWIW!
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Seeing/knowing, as conceptualized by the mind, means “I see, I know”…
Seeing/knowing, like all words, are meaningless – it is not what the words mean but what they point to – the fact or function of experiencing, perceiving, the activity because of which anything is known.
That is obvious right now, isn’t it? If thought pauses, if the intellect subsides, that self-shining experiencING remains unchanged, does it not?
That always-present presence of “awareness” does not appear yet it is the most fundamental aspect of any experience – even the “ME who sees” and the “thing I am seeing” appear within this experiencing itself, cannot BE without that activity of knowing presence.
Isn’t this what we really mean when we say “I”? Hasn’t this always been the unchanging and unaffected source and ground of the entire “lifetime” of experiences?
Has this true “I” or Self ever suffered, or has it simply witnessed the passing of sensations called “suffering”, the thought called “I am suffering”?
Does anything have to happen in terms of spiritual experience to know this fundamental “I”?
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Thanks for that, Randall, very elegant and clear. Cheers!
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SEE – it is not all about ME.
To the mind and habit it may certainly appear that a lot of this stuff here is about ME, Gilbert. It is just words and language.
EG: The first book that I published was called “The First Instant” (The only instant).
The title suggested itself naturally….as an expression of what was being attempted to be shared.
In this first instant of being, now, what could be prior to seeing, what could be prior to knowing?
Don’t pass over this too quickly.
This question takes the golf ball off the T, puts the clubs back in the boot of the car, the golf course turns into a wild wood and the whole ‘mind trip’ is dissolved.
No golf swing needs to be taken, no hole in one, no ball and no game.
In other words if there is nothing but this first instant of naked presence – what you ARE is prior to every thought, circumstance, condition, you ARE prior to consciousness.
It is not some mystical state that needs to be achieved….it is your natural state – yet it isn’t even ‘a state’. All states appear in the Knowing.
They are the knowing but not as they appear to be.
No separation. Got it? No, you can’t get it – the only revelation is that you ARE it. It cannot be a mind contrivance – it is KNOWING……NOW….not tomorrow or yesterday. NOW-ing.
The thought train won’t take you there.
You are all ready there. The thought train only leaves from HERE and goes ‘elsewhere’.
“Throw my ticket out the window, throw my suitcase out there too – ‘coz tonight I’ll be staying here with you”.
P.S. – The second book is “Everything IS Clear and Obvious”. Both books appear as free e-books on my website. FREE…..just like this podcast site.
Direct and simple. How many thousands have you thrown away on the Guru’s Round-a-bout ride? Or into the Church or Temple’s donation tray?
Did they EVER deliver the goods?
Sure they SEEM like nice enough guys and their intentions a GOOD.
So What? Time to use that natural wakefulness in a more precise manner.
Even the horses are made of wood and fancy paint(on the merry-go-round) AND the music sucks.
WHO are you kidding?
Fin: THE ONE WHO IS ‘POINTING’ IS ALSO AN APPEARANCE IN THE SEEING. Ad infinitum.
“It is ALL SEEING”.
Any meaning you wish to seemingly ‘choose’ for that brief statement is correct.
IT is not an EYE in the SKY – it is what you ARE.
In KNOWING the truth of this, thoughts which were once SO seemingly IMPORTANT lose their hold and take their rightful place. They may be useful or simply ignored or discarded. Everything can be useful as an instrument – but the ‘me’ concept if it dominates the landscape, it can keep ‘you’ bound up for a lifetime – SEEMINGLY.
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Would you agree that dualistic thought, having both negative and positive qualities, is a key component in creating the phenomenal world, which is perceptible by the senses or through immediate experience.
The Trinitarian Doctrine:
ONE — is the positive aspect of dualistic thought
TWO — is the negative aspect of dualistic thought
THREE — is the neutral, conciliatory aspect (the SEEING/KNOWING)
Could one say that SEEING/KNOWING operates through the thought process (the brain), which is time, memory. Otherwise there would be no awareness of SEEING or KNOWING.
Of course, the brain would have to be still and quiet for the SEEING to occur.
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The SEEING is prior to thought. That is why thought is perceived. You cannot SEE a thought because it has no substance or form – only a seeming form.
The Phenomenal World was and is NEVER created. It is an appearance just like a reflection in the mirror.
ONE begets Two in the appearance of things.
That is WHY they say ONE WITHOUT a SECOND.
Advaita means that.
Dvaita means TWO. A-Dvaita means NOT TWO. Adding the A at the front is a negation of that which follows. Vidya means ignorance. A-Vidya means NO ignorance – KNOWING. (Actually it may be the other way around but who cares? – Only some thought bound student of the sacred texts and who cares about them?)
Knowledge binds the mind into ignorance and ‘not knowing’ leaves the mind more open. That is why a ‘simple man’ can ‘get this’ far more easily than a ‘clever man’, an educated man.
It is all words appearing in the KNOWING.
NO words will EVER take you to the Naked Knowing BECAUSE what you truly ARE is what you have NEVER left.
Throw away all the Doctrines. There is NO answer in the mind.
UNDERSTANDING is NOT in the mind realm.
It is SILENT, wordless.
Where does that leave you?
Present and aware.
What MORE do you want?
EVERYTHING is resolved in the UNBORN.
Because nothing was ever born or created. What was seemingly born is the concept ‘ME’.
THIS clarity of SEEING is totally obvious right there AS the clear SEEING.
It is not a ‘thing’, an instrument or ‘state of being’.
Whether a thought is appearing or NOT – the SEEING IS happening.
There is NOTHING else going on.
Everything IS the seeing.
‘Who’ wants to KNOW?
The journey of the self is an illusion. Neither sacred or profane.
Rude Awakening for the spiritual aspirant – no two ways about it.
‘You’ as that seeming separate entity NEVER existed.
And the GURU is an appearance in the SEEING.
Disillusioned?
GOOD. Disillusioned MEANS NO illusions. Pure SEEING.
It is rare to make any friends by telling it AS IT IS.
One appears to make a lot of ‘people’ very cross.
And THE CROSS is where they crucify ‘the messenger’ of such ‘News’.
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Thank you Gilbert, Randall and Charlie! Your replies are truly read and appreciated! ‘I’ could see how difficult it could be to express this sometimes. I could also see that what all this all points to is what is prior to the seeing or knowing, prior to the assumed ‘me’, the experienc-er or perciev-er, without being personalized. Not sure I worded this correctly but something was recognized in your words.
Sincerely grateful for this site. Am starting to get some of friends to check it out as well.
Chris
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“Whether a thought is appearing or NOT – the SEEING IS happening.
There is NOTHING else going on.
Everything IS the seeing.”
WOW…Thank you for that. I know you’ve said this many times before Gilbert but this time it highy resonated….
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There is NOTHING prior to the seeing-knowing.
Whoever postulates such ‘things’ is only an appearance in ‘your awareness’.
How can you see what is prior to seeing?
How could you know what is prior to knowing?
It is a mind game with no end.
You are the seeing – you are the knowing.
Some expressions may not be totally correct but if they allow a glimpse of the mind doing gymnastics, then it is a valid expression. Invalid and valid are just words also.
When you get down to the nitty gritty the language starts to fall apart………..YET the seeing-knowing remain.
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I´ve been hearing some of the programs, can anyone talk about boredom ?
Boredom happens, lately quite often, and i don´t know if this is a lack of understanding
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Gilbert,
John Greven said ….. Find what the mind calls “I.â€
I took this to heart and have been trying to find the”I”…. to no avail… so
why would I feel such a loss if there was never an “I” there to begin with? I’m very pleased for the relief of there being no ‘me’ but on the other hand I feel no motivation or desire to accomplish or do anything since hearing this message. Things are still happening ofcourse but there seem to be no joy in anything much.
I even have a sense of loss concerning there not being a “me”. Maybe I miss the BIG ILLUSION of thinking “I” had some kind of control.
Is this a normal reaction?
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Boredom. What is it? A label. A sense that there isn’t enough of something? Not enough stimulation? Not enough engagement in ‘things’? Boredom could simply be the absence of ‘something’. When we label a presently happening ‘state’ with a old label, it adds all the associations of what we would call similar states and so the ‘boredom’, in this case, appears to be MORE than is bearable. We want to escape from this state – anything will suffice – “just get me out of this boredom”. The central figure is ‘Me’ – “I am bored Mum” – “Give something to do” – “Anything”.
When the mind loses it habits, when we see through those habitual states, they lose their hold, and things may appear to be flat temporarily. Let everything be what it is.
There is an infinite subtleness to ‘what is’. We are not used to it. Taste it as fresh and new. You may be surprised. I don’t know if this is helpful but it should be in the right direction.
WHO is bored?
There may be a rawness exposed. Be with it openly.
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Hi Peggy,
I have experienced what you described quite a bit.
The following is not at all the deepest truth of course, but it helped me.
As the sense of a personal “I” as an individual doer and controler fell away, I began to sense being “lived through”.
There is motivation and expression there. Life wants to life itself.
Try feeling into a deeper sense of expression that is not coming from a separate sense of self.
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Whatever comes and goes is not what you are.
All reactions are not what you are.
There is NO answer in the mind.
This profundity is missed by so many – but only in the appearance of ‘things’.
“No one ever lived a life” Paraphrasing Nisargadatta.
As Stephen points out. LIFE lives you and all that appears in you.
As Bob Adamson points out so profoundly and so simply “One Essence expresses and appears as EVERYTHING”.
‘Years’ of attachment to the body and mind do not actually have any substance in the space of pure cognition. The sense of loss is transitory like everything else.
That which does not change is reality – you are that and nothing but that.
These thoughts that come and go cannot stay because their very nature is ‘change’.
‘We’ cannot recognize that which does not change simply because there is no thing to compare it with. The mind compares ‘things’ and reaches conclusions. None of which remain all that long. Their duration is a transitory appearance.
Direct pointing is always simple in expression.
“What you seek, you already are” Bob Adamson quote.
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Thanks so very much, Stephen & Gilbert,
Your words help & are appreciated more than I can express.
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It can be repeated many times. The answer is not in the mind.
Watch the mind and see that it divides and labels – it swings back and forth between the pairs of opposites – naturally – nothing wrong in it. Belief in one ‘thing’ and denial of another ‘thing’ is where the conflict (disease) arises.
The label is NEVER what is being labeled. The word is not the actuality. Belief is NEVER the Actual.
These points were pointed out to me many years ago now. They were not immediately recognized, or at least the ‘depth’ of them took a little while.
These points did not ‘leave me alone’ – they kept arising over and over. Each time one would arise, the circumstances were obviously different. Fresh insights ‘happen’.
‘Eventually’ the obvious truth of the pointers could not and cannot be denied. The fresh insights ‘were’ from ‘my own direct experiencing’. They were or are not merely the words of another. Evidence that is closer than the heart beat.
The words ring true due to the clear evidence of their ‘truth’ ( for want of a better a word ).
The resonance and the recognition is the living proof that ‘we need’.
The resonance ‘reappears’ over and over – ‘then’ it is recognized to be always present as the ‘livingness itself’. Can you remember when this livingness was not?
No….impossible. It always IS. The search is the problem and the search vanishes as the proof ‘emerges’. I am. Not the words ‘I am’ – this resonance of BEING.
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A lifetime of suffering and identification doesn’t make one bit of difference. Nothing was lost or missed, nothing will be gained. Knowing your true nature simply means knowing what you are not.
You are not anything separate that arises, nothing found in experience, nothing describable, nothing that happens, nothing that needs fixing, nothing that needs to be made whole. What you are is already whole.
If any “thing” isn’t what you are, then what you are is THAT which is aware or knows all “things” – that “knowing” isn’t an achievement or something gained due to a successful spiritual search. That “knowing” is an activity going on right this very moment. Already. Simply overlooked… ignored…
That “knowing” is pure experiencing – the fact or function of perceiving – the nature of the “I” itself – pure subjectivity which is never an object itself.
That pure subjectivity is always known – it is placed on that body-mind as a limited function – that is the identification. The body-mind may be said to usurp the subjectivity of the pure Self in identification. If we examine this ultimate subject we find it has no attributes, no shape, no size, no color – it is simply the fact of knowing which is fully present always and the essence of any experience.
You already know this “I” – this pure subjectivity – this knowing… it has been there for any and all experiences – it has never been changed or affected by any experience. It has never suffered while it has witnessed suffering in the mind. It is the knowing of the very intellect we take to be what we are.
It has been called Consciousness or Awareness.
Who doesn’t know “I AM”? This certainty of existence is God, knowing Himself.
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Can the CAUSELESS be the CAUSE for what you call the EFFECTS of the SELF?
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The expression ‘the effects of the self’ is not correct – it is just a way of talking.
There is no self and no cause. Without a cause there can’t be any effects.
This of course sounds like nonsense to the average reader. “My life is full of events, causes and effects” they may say.
In the empty space of pure cognition, there is no one and no thing.
“Yet the universe stands ever before you eyes” ancient text.
Everything is included in the SEEING. It IS the SEEING. No Separation.
All there is is this immaculate clarity of being. ‘We’ never notice it because ‘we’ are attracted to the content, thoughts and objects etc. Just like we ignore space most of the time. The mind is restless and divides the oneness into multiplicity – as content of mind only.
To speak in very strict terms, the expression is reduced to a few words. So, conversation is full of paradox and conflicting reference points. Be that as it may, I still ‘think’ that the message gets delivered. Something resonates for some. Others hear only paradox or nonsense.
Any expression by anyone can be pulled apart and counter-pointed. Basically ‘people’ believe that they are a ‘self’.
The movement or activity of this body and the so-called ‘self’ is energy – this activity may be described as ‘the effects of an apparent ‘self’.
These ‘things’ are not imagined or made up on the spot. The same equation is being expressed in many different ways. The core essence of it all is the same.
You cannot find that – why? Because…..It is what you ARE.
By looking for this ‘self’ it is never found. The eye cannot see the eye. The seeker cannot find the seeker. It is all a movement in consciousness. This movement happens in stillness. This dichotomy is actually ‘not two’. Neither the body nor the mind can be separated from the space in which they appear to be.
I call this ‘the space of knowing’ and yet space itself is an appearance in that knowing. It is totally confounding for the common approach through the mind.
Seeing is prior to mind. The so-called mind ‘appears’ in the SEEING.
The revelation of this one never happens for the seeker. It is the absence of the seeking that ‘appears’ as the finding. I trust this may help.
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“Knowing is being, and in this knowing-being the thought ‘I am’ arises, but knowing-being is not a thought.” ~ ‘Sailor’ Bob Adamson
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No equation can ever truly capture or express what you ‘ARE’. The closest and most accurate pointer would be the expression ‘Not Two’ or Non-Dual in my opinion anyway.
Logic then would have you believe that what you ‘ARE’, must be ‘One’; but that’s not true either! – because to state that would imply duality again!
So, not ‘Not Two’ – but ‘Not One’. To the average ‘Joe’ on the street this statement may sound absolutely ludicrous and insane.
Bottom line:No answer in the mind or anywhere for that matter to be found. You don’t need an answer to be what you ‘ARE’!
~suki
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Is it ever too late? It is always NOW.
Is there something of value to recognize in the common man’s predictive and re-active nature? Is it all programed?
Are you MR. Innocent By-Stander, watching the world go by?
In the appearance of ‘things’ – Sometimes Knowledge leads to action – but knowledge that leads to delayed re-action is often ineffectual.
Controversial comments may stir up the emotions, make friends and/or enemies.
Correct information may appear to ‘free the bound’.
Wrong or incorrect information may ‘appear’ to spur on continued erroneous beliefs. For ‘whom’?
The only way out of duality is through ‘this immediacy’ – Once through the ‘gateway’ we realize we were never in duality, ever. It is all appearances.
This ever-present KNOWING is the only constant.
The ONE was never divided – that is the realization – and a word has no power whatsoever, no matter ‘who’ says it.
The ‘me’s’ endless chatter supports nothing but a dream of ‘me’.
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Hello,
What a lovely radio station this is. With love…- Wim Hein
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Radio KUCI in Southern California will have a 1 hour program at 4pm (their time) on Tuesday the 24th. That will be 11am Wednesday the 25th in Australia, Melbourne time.
You can stream the Radio Station on your computer. Don’t bend over backwards to hear it, if it means some ungodly hour for you. It is a compilation from several guest speakers and it has all already appeared here on the UGC. The presentation will be slightly different.
We anticipate some fresh visitors to this site from the broadcast. This sort of program does not usually get aired to the general public. Do a google search for KUCI Radio and listen in, if you can. If you have a similar Radio Station in your area, let them know about our offer of free programs. Re-discovering one’s own true nature is everyone’s right. We are just doing out bit to see that it is at least a possibility.
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The written pointing seemingly keeps getting better with subsequent postings of MP3s. On this page, I counted at least two stand-up triples by Randall and an out-of-the park homer pointer by Gilbert:
“There is NOTHING prior to the seeing-knowing.
Whoever postulates such ‘things’ is only an appearance in ‘your awareness’.
How can you see what is prior to seeing?
How could you know what is prior to knowing?”
There is no person, place, thing, concept etc. that is prior to the seeing/knowing to be able to “do” the seeing/knowing. If one is even mentioned or conceptualized, it’s immediately recognized as being in the seeing/knowing that “you” never separated from.
The fact that books are written about this or that people have satsangs over this and are glorified over it is laughable.
In addition to the Guru for money game, I’ve noticed “teachers” who have smug pictures of themselves on the Internet and quotes such as “I don’t want a bunch of miserable seekers cluttering my living room in California”
Sounds great to me–most of us will never be there, so that gives you extra time to comb your beard and polish your head and do instant messenger with Ramesh.
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Chuckle. That old collector of miserable seekers indicates that he is enlightened, unashamedly. It isn’t his fault. His guru gave him that idea and he fell for it hook line and sinker. Well, it is better than roaming the streets and sleepin’ on park benches I guess.
The guru game has had its day. The guru is valid in the traditional setting of India and other similar places. The Westerners who play that game look like fish out of water and their new Sanskrit names, or their clever made up names, only emphasize their little play acting. We don’t need to give them any attention and you wont be hearing any of them on this podcast.
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Yea, funny how this awareness in its infinite ISness could allow such things to appear in, on and as an expression of its vast explosion of possibilities.
And that mirror “over there” just keeps on filling up with these gurus whilst ‘I’
can’t seem to do shi^ about it. Please let’s not get back into Guru bashing when the rest of that white square’s [] squigglys were Soooo so sharp. Thanx
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Agreed. I have made the same point myself several times. One point to consider is this; 80% of what these gurus may be very good. It is the 20% of implications that bind the mind into a continued search that is of concern. We don’t need to name anyone but the erroneous nature of their teaching is certainly up for demolition.
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Gilbert,
With my recent understanding I am at lost how to be with it.
I know that the ‘me’ does not have any control or do anything, but at the present moment it seems that the awareness can choose what it is aware of and on what it focuses its attention.
Knowing that everything appears in awareness gives awareness the choice of what to focus on.
Is that another thought appearing – another illusion of control?
Is awareness only and always an observer or once detached from the body-mind identification it becomes free?
THANKS,
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Yes, G, and the fungus when exposed to the light will be unable to grow.
Life has a way of sifting out the fodder. If they are conscious of the deception, then what a self made hell (illusion) must plague their moments….feels sad.
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The observer ‘the witness’ is a temporary phase in the appearance of things. “Duality is due to the ‘seer’ and the ‘seen” (profound words by Sri Siddharameshwar Maharaj – circa 1920-30′s) The ‘witness’ dissolves into SEEING once ‘its job is done’.
There is NO BECOMING FREE. There is NO BECOMING whatsoever.
There is no detachment either. WHAT you truly ARE has never been attached to any ‘thing’.
It is NO THING. ALL inclusive. All apparent ‘things’ are actually NO THING. NO Separation.
The ‘First Instant’ is the ONLY Instant and THIS is IT.
The light of knowing has no duration, no time. KNOWING is KNOWING.
There is NO choice and no one to have a choice.
Apparent ‘Choice’ is ‘between’ TWO. It is the easiest thing to offend a seeker – because their whole seeming existence is a fabrication, a belief.
Nothing is ever addressed to the seeker – it may appear to have the address on the envelope but the message is for the intelligence behind the Mask.
‘We’ have SEEMINGLY adhered our true nature to a fiction, a persona, a mask, a story of ‘me’. Even this account is a fiction. The exposing of it is what this is all about.
Sadness is just the glue, the sticky bits that stretch and pull, as the mask comes off. Don’t get sucked in – All this is just another story. RECOGNITION is all that is required.
The appearance of TWO is a SEEMING TWO, it ‘appears’ in a SINGULAR presence.
THERE is ONLY one SEEING happening.
It is NOT the mind that sees, not the ‘me’ that sees.
WHO is it that is at a loss as to HOW to be with it?
There is only one way out of the seeming duality.
YOU ARE this Singularity.
I have no concern about anyone contradicting what I am saying. THEY all APPEAR in this KNOWING that I AM. What I AM is prior to any appearance.
This KNOWING is ever fresh, it is timeless. You can accuse me as often as you wish – There is no ‘I’ or ‘Gilbert’ here to claim anything.
There is undivided KNOWING. This is what I am ‘pointing’ at. The ‘pointing at’ is dualistic – the SEEING is non dual.
The mind is TIME.
All these (your) seeming problems are in time and the owner of the problems is a mind fabrication.
NO ONE fabricated that one who seems to be at a loss. All of the sensations associated with it are just vibrations, a ‘patterns’ appearing is space.
Can you tell me what is not a pattern appearing in space? Can you as that seeming entity get out of space?
Reality is ruthless or appears to be ruthless – from the point of view of the dreamer, the seeker. The ‘seeker’ only has seeking and the seeking is a fictional game. There is NO finding in seeking.
In the relativity of ‘things’: When the dream state is exchanged for the waking state – when ‘you wake up’, the beautiful dream is faced with (relative ‘reality’ of) the waking state. The relative ruthlessness of the waking state dissolves the fantasy of the dream. The dream CANNOT stay.
But the waking state is just like the dream state. They both appear in awareness.
Where are you seeing from?
There is only one seeing happening. It is not ‘a seeing’ that is passing through the minds translation ‘gear box’.
‘People’ take reality to be what their minds tell them it is. Dichotomy. The mind, ‘process’ and the me, fixation point.
Are you not awake?
Investigate this thing called time. Make that your unswerving AIM. ‘Time’ will dissolve – the belief in time will dissolve. This ‘lead’ is enough. But ‘who’ chooses to follow a lead?
We could say that intelligence is doing everything. Only intelligence can understand that. A ‘person’ can’t understand anything. ‘We’ insist on being a ‘person’ in time and then we try to find reality.
Reality IS - timelessly present. A ‘person’ is time, an appearance.
These are just words, appearances in the timeless.
You cannot ride on the back of a word, like you can ride on the back of an elephant.
You cannot ride though the gates of Reality – BECAUSE you are already HERE.
Every gate you EVER saw was and is an appearance in or on awareness.
How can awareness go through anything?
Everything is an appearance in awareness. It is omni-present.
Feels bad? Crap. The mind tries to hang on to its old realm of control – but it is all appearances. WHO wants WHAT?
NOTE: J. Krishnamurti traveled the world giving talks pointing out similar ‘things’. Thousands were drawn to him over forty years, thousands of books were read. His talks were boring for the ‘me of memory’. ‘People’ are attracted to ‘high sounding ideas’ – ideas with which they can embroider their spiritual self-image. Useless.
In his last years, J. Krishnamurti ‘appeared’ to be depressed because it would seem that no one during all those years ‘got it’. He said: ” I have been singing to the deaf for forty years”. All he collected was admirers, or so it would seem. They are still gathering in their thousands to admire him. The message slips past them. Endless SEEKERS seeking in the WRONG place.
Are you not awake right now? What are you looking for?
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Gilbert,
Do you know, if I miss the radio program on Tuesday will I be able to listen later on the KUCI website? Is there a chance you might post it here at this site later?
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Hi Sara, We will post both halves of the program here in due course. A few may be drawn to follow up what they hear. The Radio Station has no plan to have the program posted on their site as far as I know. If you have listened to the last few programs, you will have heard it all before – however it is always worth listening again, in my opinion.
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Gilbert,
I just want to say thank you for the response.
Every sentence in your writing is rich like ‘Pate de Foie Gras’.
You are giving me a heart attack as I am reading it -or should I say you are killing ‘me’.
It will take a while to digest that – “Only intelligence can understand that. A ‘person’ can’t understand anything”.
Thanks for putting me back on track.
I will investigate what time is.
I am the guilty one having a book collection of J. Krishnamurti – admiring him and NEVER really understanding what he was taking about, as you said ‘the message slips right past me’. I was always looking for answer in the mind – as once again I am doing.
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Then CEASE to look there. Full Stop. There is NO other WAY.
The mind will just continue to unfold in ever new patterns – like a fractal pattern.
It is ‘your energy’ (through belief) that give it apparent movement and ‘life’.
The ONLY movement that is happening is KNOWING – the basic and simple ACTIVITY of KNOWING. (Ordinary awareness)
Everything appears in THAT.
There is nothing OUTSIDE of this KNOWING.
What appears within its scope is also the knowing of whatever appears.
The appearance has no capacity to know anything.
The pattern, the form has no knowing – yet it is suffused with illumination.
A scientist can delve into the subatomic world as far as his instruments will take him – the ‘cognition’ is already there, as if waiting for his perceptions to arrive.
Omni-science. One Knowing.
It is a revelation beyond the minds capacity.
And you are THAT. It cannot BE any other way…..except in a dream.
Even the dream appears in ‘the knowing of it’.
The mind is ‘time’ – the mind is ‘me’. – The ‘passage of time’ is appearing in what you are – ‘the story of me’ is appearing in what you are. You are not these appearances.
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Every single thing arising to the senses
appear in what I am
Every apparent object being not separate from me
how can I desire any of it?
Every apparent object being a temporary appearance only,
how can I fear anything?
I am here, for the coming and going of the Universe
beyond fullness or emptiness
Both the beautiful and the profane are instantly known
by this clear one presence….
How can any feeling or appearance that arises compare to this unconditional nature
which holds ALL appearances in complete equanimity?
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Only the mind compares ‘things’. The mind is dualistic and yet when you look for it, it is nothing but a word.
Nothing ‘holds’ anything in equanimity.
An ant may believe it is holding up a mountain or moving the Earth in the heavens.
It is ONE singular unending movement without a beginning – and nothing can be separated from THAT.
The inexpressible remains beyond language – and yet words happen – and something appears to be shared.
The confusions and inner conflicts dissipate by some miraculous instantaneous registering – the reading of a line of words.
Hearing someone express the inexpressible. Seeing a cloud vaporize into emptiness. Seeing without distance. Hearing without a concept of separation.
Seeing the tail of a mouse disappear behind an open cupboard door – like the fading remnants of a ‘me’ that is gone.
Was it ever here? If it does not exist now, then ‘when’ was it ever here?
I am here. Inexpressible.
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Thank you Gilbert for all this hard work.
One of the reasons I come here often (seems I can’t help it!) is for the ‘hope’, and this happens every so often, for reading a line or phrase that will resonate here. When this happens, there’s a relaxing somehow.
I was wondering if these resonances bypass the mind? Sometimes I feel that the mind needs to understand or figure out a certain point or question first before the resonance occurs but I guess this is wrong since you often say that no answer can be found in the mind. Yet questions that need answering seem to arise, as seen on this comment page.
The mind goes in circles sometimes when I start to try to figure out certain points and goes: “yes but….”
Perhaps the pointers should just be read in a more relaxed manner and in this way the “message” will be heard or understood by something which is beyond the mind? Is this what happens when a point resonates?
I personally find it difficult to not use this ‘mind’(to try and figure this out) when reading the pointers. I realize this might prevent ‘progress’ for lack of a better world.
Thank you for everything
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The mind must be understood. What I say is: “Understanding is not in the mind – it is more akin to BEING”.
The mind is useful for working out all kinds of problems ‘in life’ – yet when it comes to THIS, it fails. This must be seen and understood – CLEARLY and IMMEDIATELY.
Seeing – Knowing – Understanding are beyond the limitations of the mind.
These attributes are one singular presence-awareness.
There are no pre-requisites for the resonance to arise. It is always present but usually it is in the background – low level ‘hum’, so to speak.
The mind has habitually taken all the attention and the ‘noise’ of the mind covers the subtle ease of being – the natural state.
The ONLY way out of the mind is FULL STOP.
In that stop – the subtle ease of being ‘appears’ to rise up – non conceptual awareness.
When the mind starts up again – it will be seen that the content of mind APPEARS on that which was present without a thought. This is a direct insight into the fact that you are not a concept, thought, image or memory. You are this non-conceptual awareness.
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“A ‘mind’, has got to know it’s limitations”. ( paraphrasing ‘Clint Eastwood’ ).
It has to be put in to it’s proper place, so to speak! After all it is the servant and not the master. Only then will the house be in order ( of course I’m speaking relatively and in the absolute sense, their is neither ‘servant or master’!
There is no final understanding of any – ‘thing’! The reality of what you ‘ARE’ is unapproachable~ it just ‘IS’!
suki
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John Greven said..something like this: “How do you know who is self realised in a burning building? It’s the guy who is calm about it.”
I guess I’m not self realized because I’m not calm about the economy.
I keep thinking there is something I must do but can’t figure out what to do.
Are there no personal responsibilites at all in the non-dual way of thinking?
One day I think I’m seeing clearly concerning what is offfered here and the next (like today) my mind is bouncing around like a BB in a Boxcar trying to make the right decisions.
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What does responsibility mean? The ability to respond.
All the added on meanings are stories about ‘me’.
‘Do’ what you can about ‘things’ like the economy. Be intelligent. Act in the moment with intelligence. Then forget about it. Wandering around churning or ruminating over details of what may or may not happen is where the energy gets dissipated through imagination and worry. Decisions are made. There is no decision maker. See if you can find one, one that is not ‘a story about me’. It is a revelation that cannot be believed – it must be known directly. Revelation upon revelation will unfold due to the investigation of this believed in ‘me’ and of whatever form it takes, worry, fear, anxiety, tightness in the chest, a ball of uncomfortable energy in the gut.
It all is perpetuated by the psychology which weaves its tentacles around a fictional character. Hundreds of pointers are in these programs. No one is asking anything from you. It is all shared with no expectation of anything in return. That should tell you something,
In the ‘appearance of things’.
The average Guru wants his group of seekers to commit to him and to ‘a program’ which is full of false hope – hope that one day the seeker will ‘get there’ – where he ‘pretends’ to be.
Everyone is ‘here now’. There is nothing ‘to get’ and ‘nowhere to go to get anything’.
As ‘things unfold’ the intelligence that you ‘are’ will ‘act’ decisively at ‘some point’, once the clear information has registered cleanly.
You cannot predict ‘when’ – but you can be sure that if you continue to feed these ideas about some deliverance in some ‘tomorrow’ it will keep you bound to a future time that CANNOT ever arrive.
The Guru won’t tell anyone about this BECAUSE he himself believes in his own bullshit story. His enlightenment game is a winner for him, so he is not about to give it up. He was not born into some royal family, so this is the next best thing. It is all simply manipulation of seekers for the benefit of his EGO.
Enough already.
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Sara,
Consciousness is all there is. We know this because of direct experience, present evidence, immediate and obvious presence of seeing/knowing. Not special experiences – any experience will do – it is the FACT or function of experienc-ING.
Right now – appearances are there, whatever they might be, whatever the content of this moment is… these appearances APPEAR TO the SEEING, within the seeing – seeing is primary, it was there before and remained after the flux of changing content. Seeing/knowing is like a container within which the content is free to manifest and dissolve.
Within this seeing appears a thought called “I SEE”. The primacy of Consciousness is assumed to lie with the body-mind, with sensory mechanisms, with an individual seer.
Yet that thought which is the actual form of the identification arises IN the primary, impersonal SEEING. That thought is CONTENT, that “ME SEEING” is flux, changing, appearance only, which by its very nature is impermanent.
Your true nature is solid, unshakable, not subject to the flux of the identifications or the flux of the economy. Your true nature is present fully as the source or “container” for any experience, the activity of experiencing, the fact of knowing.
Look anywhere, at anything – this is not subject to seeing “something spiritual”, not due to perfect understanding or analysis – it is already your natural, stateless state. The empty blackboard on which all states are sketched out… The pure primacy and pervasiveness of Consciousness is already our experience, already fully “realized”, already obvious.
The only thing that seems to obscure is the insistence on a “ME seeing”.
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“I guess I’m not self realized because I’m not calm about the economy.
I keep thinking there is something I must do but can’t figure out what to do.”
Something practical for those of us not seeing from the Self.
Buy gold and silver. Printing/borrowing a trillion dollars and more for this ‘stimulus’ deal will cause a hyperinflation and a dying valueless dollar. A brutal unstoppable depression is coming.
Now back to the regular program..:)
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I’m on the email list of a follower of a popular teacher. She sends out quotes of the teacher and she leads satsangs all over the world. Here’s a quote I just received:
“What I call the ‘inner body’ isn’t really the body anymore but life energy, the bridge between form and formlessness. Make it a habit to feel the inner body as often as you can. After a while, you won’t need to close your eyes anymore to feel it. For example, see if you can feel the inner body whenever you listen to someone. It almost seems like a paradox: When you are in touch with the inner body, you are not identified with your body anymore, nor are you identified with your mind. This is to say, you are no longer identified with form but moving away from form-identification toward formlessness, which we may also call Being. It is your essence identity. Body awareness not only anchors you in the present moment, it is a doorway out of the prison that is the ego. It also strengthens the immune system and the body’s ability to heal itself.”
After all the direct pointing I’ve been getting lately, I can see that the approach above leaves the “I” hiding out, and unexamined. I used to be inspired when reading something like this, but now it makes me feel tired.
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The direct pointing is always simple – the world overlooks the simple in preference for the complex – and the complexity is unending. Come back to basics, if you dare see what is true.
“If you want to see the truth, then hold (onto) no opinions for or against anything”. (Third Patriarch of Zen).
Life goes on – or appears to unfold. Where are you seeing from? Is there a ‘YOU’ that sees?
It is all ‘happening’ in ‘the appearance of things’ and it appears that ‘we’ can get more and more of what we want – or lose what we have. The toss and turn of a coin or of a dream. A kingdom won or lost over the throw of ‘a pair of dice’ or the turn of a friendly card. So it SEEMS.
School yard bullying is a ‘present day issue’. The schoolyard bully gets away with his exploits until ‘it all comes home to roost’.
He imagines that he is a Hero and some even believe in him. Many have suffered by his hard hand and many continue to suffer even after he has ‘left the school’, for decades or for a ‘a lifetime’ due to the trauma of it all – in the appearance of things. The ‘ego’ can appear to be a charismatic charming chap and in the next minute a cruel brute.
Justify and punish. Rule by fear.
Was it St. Francis (?) who asked the Pope of his day: “Why do you horde all this Gold? – God provides”.
When we hide the ‘truth’ under a charade of false pretensions, do we imagine that ‘the truth’ is not still clear and obvious?
It is all in ‘the appearance of things’. ‘We’ (mankind) think we are so important. God’s special creation.
Yet ‘we’ divide into gangs, tribes and nations – and then ‘we’ fight over possessions and say “God is on my side”.
‘We’ listen to ‘experts’ on every conceivable ‘subject’ and still believe that somehow it will all makes sense.
Millions of individual ‘self-wills’ acting out their own little kingdom of ‘control’ – all inn the appearance of things – complexity.
Everything is an appearance. ‘We’ don’t see the MIRROR because we focus on the reflections as being separate ‘things’.
One mirror – one reflection. The mind divides the reflection (appearance) into a thousand ‘things’ and it does not see the mirror, the unity of all things.
Look into the mirror like mind and see if you can find a self-center.
All of your concerns will simply multiply (in the appearance) so long as you do not recognize your true nature.
What could be ‘more important’? What message could be ‘more urgent’?
Yet basically this message gets very little attention and the messenger is ignored by a busy world.
Are you too busy to ‘hear it’?
Waiting till they come to measure you up for the pine box isn’t the way to go – is it?
Gold is merely metal and words are just sounds.
Nothing will save you from your own imagination. The ‘you’ itself is imaginary.
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“Something practical for those of us not seeing from the Self.”
There is no one seeing or not seeing from the Self. The Self is all there is – already seeing itself. Within the already-present Self, there is the empty idea of a ME-not-seeing-from-the-Self.
This Self is what we mean by “I” without the false identification overlaid in concept. Simply look at the identification, look at where this happens – it may be realized like a head-on collision – WHAT IS SEEING THIS IDENTIFICATION? Thoughts or intellect do not see – awareness is not a function of thought – thought appears TO awareness.
What is aware of the thought – “ME”? Stay with this simplicity.
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Tj, there is a gratitude here. Arising in AWARENESS, of course — but a gratitude nonetheless.
Thank you,
H.P. Stankfiddler
UC Irvine student
PS I got out of stocks a year or so ago and invested solely in bonds. It’s time to go full-in on precious metals, huh? — (in the appearance, of course.)
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New program on its way.
If we get into the details of the appearance it will go off on an endless trail, well worn and circular by nature. Find what it all revolves around. See if you can find ‘someone’ there at the ‘center’. This investigation is the master key to unlock all the mysteries.
The nature of paradox is unraveled naturally. Ancient texts reveal a fresh meaning.
The old reference point ‘me’ is what brings confusion, conflict and dis-ease.
Some will be disturbed by certain forms of information due to long standing beliefs.
This cannot be avoided. A belief is NOT the Actual.
There is no comfortable ‘spot’ to get to – old beliefs will be challenged and the relief of their disappearance will remain theoretical until they are recognized for what they are.
There is no one here telling you that you have to join any program or pay any big fee and stick around for a decade or so. There is no one grandstanding on some platform.
This introduction to your own true nature can be exceedingly quick.
The ego is a fiction. No work on it needs to be done. No becoming is going to happen.
No deliverance will take place. No ‘awakening’ will happen.
Are you not awake right now? THIS is IT.
There are no certificates necessary. No decades of being a seeker are required.
A fresh comer may even have a slight advantage over a well worn seeker.
The ‘pointers’ are in the programs. This forum is quite unique. Stop reading and listening to the words of gurus who tell you crappy stories about your immanent enlightenment and some ‘future time’ of deliverance.
It will only keep you in confusion. Warm regards – Gilbert.
P.S. The Advaita Show has made a brief return apparently.
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Hey Adviata Show Too
Gilbert, there is a difference between a good, friendly laugh and a trashing. We do not trash you and no one needs to trash anybody…ever. Indeed, that is one of the most remarkable things about Bob — he never slags anyone! Alan Watts said that the one thing he noticed about all of the true sages he met, and he met many, is that, first, they were often very quiet; second, he never heard them indulge in gossip, and rarely in praise. About whom, by what…it might be asked?
I think it quite cool that Bob has spawned so many clear seers, and you are as clear as any. I note how much softer you seem to be in spoken voice than written, but whatever works. As you said, no one can say what the “trip switch” might be for anybody?
A blessing when tripping happens though, we all heartily agree.
As Bob said of Cameron, no one’s knocked him off his perch. Cameron is one-of-a-kind and that he brought laughter to Adviata was SUCH a welcome relief for me back when.
I will happily and lovingly bring my hockey gear when I visit and I am hoping that Areti and I can do the first Adviata love scene in the Cafe on a podcast.
“I feel it in mah fingers…I feel it in mah toes…” OMG, see Love Actually again and you will laugh.
Seriously now, congrats to you all for a fine effort. I remain a HUGE fan of the UGC! Gilbert, hats off to your sound engineering, and all the many fine arrows you launch at your listeners. No doubt some will strike a heart or two and expand the Adviata audience to many dozens worldwide. Areti, you do a fine job with your questions..but let’s have Gilbert interview you! Other seekers want to hear other whatever you are, not just the finders saying it’s so simple!! You know it isn’t simple at all…until and unless it is seen, and then you get that “you” had not a titch to do with ANYTHING.
Okay, finally, a request: can you please interview Robin Dale, an Aussie whose little book is a real gem.
Thanks, and big cheers — and get something good on tap at that coffee house before my arrival please.
More than all else…LOVE
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Hi Steven, Thanks for coming over the the ‘opposition’. Ha. it isn’t over till the Fat Lady Sings.
By the way – there are between 4,000 and 5,000 downloads per month of the various available programs of the UGC. The stats are clear. The daily ‘visits’ are higher than the downloads, which just means that people come back to read the comments or to see if a new program is up.
STAY TUNED IN…………Coming up NEXT – John Wheeler returns for a forth interview.
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The EVENT HORIZON is right ‘before’ your eyes. What you truly are is not an ‘event’ and you are not in ‘the realm of events’. Everything ‘appears’ in the SEEING. You are the EMPTY ‘holographic plate’ – from which the universe is projected. HOW can a believed in ‘you’, a mere mind projection, EVER discover this?
THIS is not about belonging to some sort of Group. THIS is not about some sacred Journey. THIS is not about being nice and living some sort of spiritual life style. THIS is not about tip toeing around fragile ego’s. THIS is not about selling some merchandise or books, CD’s, Photos of the Guru or anything at all that can be purchased.
THIS is about what you truly ARE. To BE what you truly ARE, does not require TIME or any PROCESS. NO Method can take you to what you already ARE.
It may seem ruthless and unforgiving to ‘Point’ at what is true.
The ego does not exist. It is a fiction. Now whether you wish to preserve that sense of separation or not – it does not exist. This can appear as a RUDE awakening.
The thick veil of ignorance is made of beliefs in ‘a future time’ and a fabricated self-image that is nothing but imagination. The ‘Work’ on the ego or on the self-image is completely useless. Now if you wish not to recognize that then you have come to the wrong place.
There are so many teachings that serve the erroneous ‘journey’ and the ‘work on oneself’.
THIS site is NOT about that. Believe it or not, there is ‘a wave’ of influence happening – and a recognition is happening through this sharing. ‘I’ take no credit for myself in this happening. It appears to move through me and through others. “My cup runneth over”. It MUST be shared, no matter how uncomfortable it may appear to be and no matter what ‘shit’ gets tossed up from this sharing. To not share this or to pretend that “I am enlightened’ and you are not yet so” is such an obvious self-centered activity.
There is no tolerance for the likes of those who play that game. It is divisive and it is the opposite of a clear and open sharing. I don’t care what anyone thinks of me.
I am playing my role in this sharing. I do not sit on my bum and prattle about Non Duality. I do not push any beliefs about ME onto anyone – in fact I am forever taking a slash at such beliefs. A nice spiritual life style, to me, is a life of delusion.
THIS is not about ME – neither any ME here or there.
It is all about our true nature. WHEN are you going to get down to tin tack? If NOT NOW – then WHEN?
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The unmistakeable hallmark of authentic pointing is abundant on this site! Yet so few really make use of this ‘golden oppurtunity’ to really investigate the ‘Illusory Self’ that lends it self to such confusion and suffering for the so called ‘Seeker’!
The Truth of what you ‘ARE’(SEEING/KNOWING) can never be obscured unless there’s an ‘ILLUSORY ME’ looking or seeking for an ‘ILLUSORY SELF’! One cannot help but see the schism and dualistic aspects of the nature of thought when logic of this nature is applied for understanding ‘ONE SELF’!
One can never understand One’s True Nature or Essence, because One’s ‘ESSENCE’ is always ‘PRIOR’ to all understanding and experience!
Right now there is seeing and registering of the words on the screen. This all happens in the SEEING!! Now see if there is a ‘SEER’ there? someone or something independent of the ‘SEEING’? or is there a SEAMLESS, BEGININGLESS, ENDLESS, DIMENSIONLESS and TIMELESS, SPACELESS – SEEING?!!…..phew
Just SEE for your SELF~NOW
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Thanks for the Post.
few question eventhough silly from real nature point of view but still they happen to occur.
Does the lifestyle change after the truth is realized?
Yes for moments I feel the deep silience but again it get missed.. what exactly happens here?.. whether the self forgets itself again or again its child play of the mind?
Thanks
Vishal
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