31. Tony Parsons – The Open Secret – Interview
Posted March 8, 2009
By areti
Areti interviews Tony Parsons. In depth questions. As always it isn’t about the messenger – it is the message that can resonate.
There is NO YOU.
Music by The Charles River Valley Boys, The Fureys, Andre Vollenweider, Inxs, Ketil Bjornstad , Forro, Carles Benavent, Dan Hicks and the Hot Licks, Wet wet wet, Seban Bajramovic, with a short comedy extract from TV show ‘Faulty Towers’ with Basil and Manuel.
Tony’s website is called ‘The Open Secret’.
I don’t know about the rest of y’all, but after hearing this message, I’m done with this nonduality bullshit! Nihilism, here I come! … no, wait, who? Who? Who gives a f***!!!
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Way to go Tony!!!!!For someone who spends most of their time and energy slagging off Sailor Bob, John Wheeler,Gilbert etc,and anything to do with self-inquiry you’ve got a real cheek turning up on this site!!!!Sailor Bob is a thousand times more clear than you!!!!!!Sorry but its just the response thats coming up here!!!!!
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What a surprise to hear Tony on the UGC! I have always felt a deep resonance with Tony’s expression…it’s all about absolute love beyond the idea of love! thank you for this interview!
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Thanks for another delightful show! I love listening to Tony, he’s the bee’s knees.
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Another great podcast, thanks Gilbert, Areti and Tony. Also loved the recent podcasts and comments from John Wheeler.
Loved the more please at the end.
Happy birthday to UGC too!
A recent side effect from these podcsts has been a lack of interest in incessant reading on emptiness, enlightenment and advaita. A freedom from looking for answers.
thanks heaps.
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It isn’t about the messenger.
The expression is always different when it appears to come from different teachers. You or I may not agree with everything that Tony says. But someone, somewhere, may just hear what they need to hear. I don’t give a rats ass about the ones who complain and make sectarian divisions. IF they were as clear as the one that they put on the top of their LIST of teachers, then they wouldn’t perceive a problem. Whenever we open our mouths to talk about this ‘subject’ it is already an appearance.
In the silent mind before words and expressions, there is an understanding beyond all understanding and it is beyond the mind. Every word that anyone utters in any language (Except the Pentecostals with their talking in tongues) is already using words that have been learned in the so-called past. It is loaded with the past and the immediacy remains inexpressible. So, language is dualistic by its very nature.
Energy flows where it needs to flow. It cannot be put in a tank and stored.
A teacher may believe that the way he came is the only way. He may have a piece of string leading back to where he ‘started’. He may encourage everyone to follow that piece of string. What good is it?
I think that language and concepts, the way it is expressed may be a problem for some.
Remember this: Every word uttered by anyone at all is equally a vibration emanating from a Singularity. The sense of separation is what turns this Singularity into duality and multiplicity. Find the ‘place’ where this division is seemingly happening and cut it off at the source. Then there are no problems. Words are never the actuality. They are ALL appearances.
What is of the upper most ‘importance’ is to follow what ‘resonates’ for YOU.
Not what tickles your fancy or stimulates the intellect, like the holographic universe concept. Follow what resonates and what rings true for you. Even though there is no ‘you’, until that is clearly evident right THERE where you appear to be, then ANY means at all is valid to ‘bring about’ this recognition.
These pages are NOT for slagging off at anyone.
The main point is……..that resonance is not about YEARS of feeling it.
It is about quickly following it to the source.
No event ever happens. It is ALL light appearing as this and that.
The light by which you see and know is IT. Without the ‘you’.
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I do not think it is my place to interpret what Tony means at any point in this discussion.
I do feel that he is genuine with the direct pointing. I know nothing much about him and have only glanced at his website. I do know that he is popular with many in the UK and in Europe. He is NOT saying “look at me, I am enlightened”. That is a significant difference to the main stream gurus and teachers. It is a sign that “All is not rotten in Amsterdam”.
There are many points where what Tony is saying corresponds to what others are saying here on the UGC. Please refrain from politics and dirty slashes in these pages.
Warm regards – Gilbert.
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Granted, this is all language, and the moment “it” is spoken of it’s just another appearance, and no expression can encapsulate “this.” That’s clear enough.
But it seems like what Tony is talking about and what others such as Sailor Bob and John Wheeler are talking about are two completely different “things”!
John Wheeler says that this separation is only a belief, and when that belief is no more, then the assumed separation is no more, and all the problems of the fictive individual vanish. On the other hand, Tony says that the belief is merely a symptom of this “contracted, embodied feeling,” and as such, tackling the belief is useless!
These messages are completely contradictory. We can say all day, “well, that’s just because of the language, which is inherently dualistic,” so on, etc. In that case, why not just communicate this message in gobbledygook!
I tell you what, folks. I’m gonna write a book on nonduality. Here’s how it starts:
“blah, blah, blah. blah, blah, blah? Everything is one! Including the log you dropped in the toilet this morning! Now, if you clearly SEE this, all of your imaginary suffering will completely disappear. But don’t believe a goddamn word I say! HAVE A LOOK!!! and by the way, asoidhfsahof ijdfoaiseimsdfaierasmaimijafdf………and don’t forget, aodijfaoemfaijfpadjfaisjdfm oijmijafs!!!”
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OK then wouldn’t it be wise to follow at least one of these alternates and see if it works?
I detect some conflict in the energy there. Go into it, expand it. See what it is made of.
It WILL reveal itself for what it is. There is no point in hanging onto opinions for or against anything. The investigation may appear to be more seeking. But why not drop the fixation of being ‘someone’ and allow what is obvious to ‘reveal itself’ in the SEEING.
Everything appears in the seeing. SEEING is happening. There is no ‘you’ in the seeing.
These points were outlined very clearly in the last comments on the previous program.
It is quite funny how some get their nickers in a twist.
HOW MANY clear pointers do you NEED?
Doesn’t it clearly demonstrate that the attachment to ‘mind stuff’ has not been seen clearly.
If you SEE that something is not real NOW – then when was it EVER real?
This applies to the ‘me’ of course.
It is only a ‘me’ that can have a problem.
Now, what is your problem again?
It may appear as two completely different ‘things’ but both of the ‘things’ are one at the core – No Thing.
You see every opportunity is available to SEE what it is that seemingly hinders the Open View. When you can truly laugh at yourself and all the seeking that has gone on, with no result, then that is a relief is it not?
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Of course it applies to “me”! There’s no doubt in my mind whatsoever that if this “me” was out of the picture there would be no problem at all! And further, I’ve followed these “teachings,” or whatever they are, for quite some time, with a degree of intensity and earnestness that leaves virtually no time for anything else. My eyes literally feel like they are going to pop out of my head! There is so much pressure that has accumulated in my imaginary “head” that it feels like it’s going to explode! If I were to have a brain hemorrhage right now I would laugh my ass off! Because it’s so damned clear that there is no one here to stop this nightmare seeking game!
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You must forgive my bluntness but some of what you say is plain good old bullshit.
The tension is due to conflicting beliefs or conflicting ideas.
What you are is not a concept, so ‘you’ don’t need to get involved with them. SEE them for what they ARE.
There is no duality in non duality.
There is no ‘me’ in conflict with some ‘I’ or some ‘real I’ in conflict with some false ‘I’.
There is ONLY ONE SEEING happening.
This seeing is happening prior to what the mind is translating and yet ‘you’ cannot separate them from each other, because they are one.
All these opinions come and go. Every idea that has ever passed through that consciousness has slipped through like a well oiled sardine.
Nothing is stuck anywhere. It only feels like there is something stuck because of this fixation with ‘me’.
It is a thought. It appears as ‘I think’ or ‘I do this’ or ‘I don’t like this or that’.
No one can tell you what to DO. It isn’t a matter of ‘you doing anything’.
We call it the natural state. It is natural like nature. Nature is not in conflict with itself, yet all the dramas of nature appear in that nature.
A festering boil or pimple can pop at any time. There is a sense of relief when this happens. It is all natural. The body is doing what it needs to do to eliminate the puss and germs etc. It is all intelligence in action.
If you cut your finger on a sharp knife, the body IMMEDIATELY responds (microscopically). The blood begins to clot. The microfibers begin to pull the flesh back together, as much as is possible, depending on the size of the gash.
If you could see these very small activities it would fill you with wonder. It is all taking place without a ‘me’ being involved. Every breath, every heart beat happens without a ‘me’ being involved. However, if the ‘me’ fixation builds up into a conflict, the blood flow and the breathing can be affected.
We are not here to make people’s heads pop. Be intelligent. If something ’causes’ you to feel anxiety, then move away from it. No one here is forcing anyone to listen to anything. One man’s poison is another man’s meal.
That is the beauty of THIS diversity.
But poison is poison and food is food. Let the intelligence inform ‘you’ of which is which.
Things are NOT what they appear to BE.
Two men may smile and shake hands…but one may have a deadly poison on his own protected hand. ALL the dramas of LIFE unfold within the realms of ALL Possibilities.
Yet nothing EVER happened.
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Well said, wise master!
But honestly, no one accused you of trying to pop people’s heads. This head just seems to be popping on its own. No one here is being forced to do anything by no one there. Because there are no ones to force other no ones to do anything.
And thanks for the biology lesson! That was an excellent bonus!
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I was so delighted when I opened up the UGC site and there was Tony Parsons. For whatever reason there is a real resonance there for me. I see no conflict at all with what is stated by Tony or Bob or John or Randall or Gilbert and all the other wondrous guests who fo interviews at the UGC. Much has been taken to heart from all of you and what I find is that I am thrilled and delighted when I hear or read any of you and what you express deepens within this being and the outcome, without any effort on my part, is a greated relaxation into what is and no longer much holding on to anything that appears. Nothing I have read or heard from any of you had every made me mad. On the contrary, it has been freeing. Just being and being open to what is is enough.
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Go watch a dolphin in action at the Zoo or Aquarium. Split second ‘decisions’ are seemingly made without any ‘me’ concept to get in the way. Beautiful movement happens and an appreciation happens. The ‘me’ adds its habitual comments after the ‘event’. The wonder of appreciation is not a choice made by any ‘me’.
It is popular in Golf these days to talk about getting into ‘the Zone’. The zone is the thoughtless state. It is not a state as such. You can’t become it – and ‘you’ can’t BE it.
It IS – it is right now – and it is what the thoughts appear on.
The golf shot is taken without a ‘me’ getting in the way. If a golfer can ‘train himself or herself’ into the zone, then you can easily drop thoughts for a moment.
The most profound insight is totally available in that no thought ‘zone’.
It only takes one decent taste of it and the habit of believing in what the mind ‘tells you’ is broken. One could say that that is what ‘happened’ for many of these ‘teachers’. They may object to such a description – so what?
They may all have different explanations about ‘the happening’ including saying that it never happened.
Tony basically says, as I see it, that there is no you to do anything. ‘Who’ can argue with that?
Behind it all there is an amazing intelligence ‘at work’. THAT is what you are and it has nothing to do with beliefs or a ‘me’.
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I’m not arguing with anything that Tony or John or anyone has to say. I’m no authority on nonduality! My intention was only to bring up the conflict that I saw between their teachings. One is saying it’s a matter of belief, the other is saying it’s not. That’s pretty confusing! But I’m not going to push the matter, ’cause clearly I’m the bullshitter and you’re the wise one of the two of us.
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There are NO Authorities on Non Duality. What is offered is simply what is clearly obvious HERE – (not to a ‘me’).
Thanks for sharing the conflict you ‘saw’ between the ‘teachings’. Recognize that each so called teaching is appearing equally within ONE presence. Which ever ‘teaching’ brings about a clear recognition, then it has done its job.
Things are perfectly clear here. I don’t need any teachings. There is no ‘I’ that needs anything. We don’t want to throw around Non Duality Platitudes like they are confetti.
No one knows what will ‘do the trick’. It most likely is something that is highly unexpected. There are no ‘plans’ and there is no ‘way to go’ away from right here, right now. The Open View is open. What seemingly closes it is a propensity to go with what the mind is translating from WHAT IS.
Recognizing that alone is enough. What is the resistance to clear SEEING?
All valid questions – to no one.
One point that may be too subtle: If it isn’t about belief, then where is the conflict? In the energy. The energy forms into conflicting beliefs.
To say that there is some embodiment happening is also misleading. But it may assist someone somewhere, in the appearance.
But that is only another appearance. There NEVER was a problem. Why make one?
Terminology and use of words will ALWAYS be an issue until it is recognized that a word is just a word. The ‘me’ is just a word also. So is belief.
Found this in an ancient Indian Poem someone sent to me:
The cross-eyed fool sees one lamp as two;
The vision and the viewer are one,
You broken, brittle mind!
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Thank you for bringing Tony to UGC. I have enjoyed his message for several years now. It is so reassuring to me and I wish more people would talk like this IMHO. What I hear is the thing as in ACIM (A Course In Miracles): “I need do nothing.”
Thank you all for your wonderful work.
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“All there is is what’s happening…apparently…”in a sense that’s the main Tony’s mantra! – for the mind it’s a brick wall and it’s a bit like the “full stop”…everything both is and isn’t, that is to say that nothing is happening…Nothing appears as something happening! – far more better when Tony speaks about!
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I love Tony’s message and the music was FANTASTIC ! Thank you so much for sharing this.
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“There is no awareness of oneness,there is just oneness”…can’t it be clearer?
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Oneness is a concept. Awareness is a concept.
Oneness is Awareness. It can’t be any other way. Even the fog is clear and obvious.
Where do all concepts, ideas and thoughts appear, if not in or on awareness?
To discount awareness as something that is confusing or as unnecessary is the realm of a fool.
If there is no ‘you’ to make any discrimination – how can anything be classified as ‘clear’ or ‘not clear’?
For ‘whom’ is there clarity or its opposite? Only for the dualistic mind.
The mind game turns upon emptiness.
Words can be understood in multiple ways. It seems that the meaning is so often added by the ‘old mind’ -
and the freshness of the clear message is misunderstood (by no one).
Ancient poem extract:
Like pigs we wallow in this sensual mire
But what can stain our pearly mind?
Nothing can ever contaminate it,
And by nothing can we ever be bound.
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Awareness is not “awareness of”…”awareness of” is the subtle duality which maintains the seeking…so Awareness and Oneness or sitting on a chair are the same thing…no need for a witness of it!…
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You have NO CHOICE if there is a witness or not. The witness is just a reference point for the seeing.
Mantras are for self-hypnosis.
Of course ‘awareness of’ is dualistic. No one here suggested anything different.
In fact the words ‘awareness of’ are rarely used. There is only awareness.
To discount awareness is the most ridiculous postulation.
If awareness is not present, then by what means is there any registration of anything, not to mention the reading of these words?
Nothing actually maintains the seeking. The seeking never ever began. But this must be recognized in THIS immediacy. It is not about ‘thinking about it’.
Everything is Clear and Obvious. In SEEING that ‘you’ don’t exist as something separate then the ‘old you’ ceases to appear to have any substance. How many times does it need to be seen through? SEEING is happening. Surely this is obvious. Who has a problem with SEEING?
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Tony is very clear on this interview saying that awareness is a confusing word!…but I could say that awareness and sitting on the chair are the same thing,so what?…so every word could be confusing…I heard many many times Tony saying that in Liberation there is no awareness,that there is just full on aliveness! awareness and sitting on a chair are one,if you make a separation that perpetuate the seeming search…there is just what’s apparently happening…I can’t be clearer than what Tony says on this interview!
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And pray dear wise one, by what means do the words of Tony, or anyone at all, have any meaning (for you), if there is no awareness of them?
Do not be foolish and take sides or repeat the words of others unless it is known to be true for yourself – SEE for yourself.
The words of another will only bind the mind into slavery if they are not recognized as mere pointers to that knowing presence that you are.
In the first instant of cognition, which is always now, there is no objective ‘now’ as such.
There is no time, duration, space or volume, except as appearances – appearances in the clear space of cognition.
Who could possibly argue with that? The argument itself is an appearance in that clear space of cognition.
Do not trick yourself into a contrived non-attachment – because it is nothing but attachment.
Buddhism is supposedly about non-attachment but almost all Buddhists are attached to Buddhism – or so it appears.
Awareness is not a ‘thing’ – it is the activity of knowing.
Not a knowing of this or that – not a knowing for any ‘knower’ and knowing is not about the ‘known’. It is simply knowing. There is nothing outside of knowing. No one can prove anything – especially something that is outside of this knowing. How absurd to even contemplate such things.
To speak of such non existent ‘things’ is foolish and a mind game with no resolution.
Just like the concept of ‘the unconscious’ is only a scape goat for the inexplicable.
Who can know the unconscious realm, even if it did exist? It is just a good business idea for therapists.
I am stirring things up, if you have not noticed.
Ancient Poem:
The nature of beginning and end is here and now,
And the first does not exist without the last;
The rational fool conceptualizing the inconceivable
Separates emptiness from compassion.
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All appearance is the signature of the intelligence and is the immediacy.
There is only intelligence…the imagined entity does nothing.
The intelligence is endlessly patterning in the most intricate diversity… just having fun so to speak…
And the biggest fun is attempting to get people to see that there is only intelligence… when it is that very same intelligence running the show… totally!
As Doris Day used to sing “What will be…will be…”
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I guess Tony will be the naughty duck in the UGC!…:-)
Gilbert,once again Tony is crystal clear on this interview,I would advise to replay it…my words are meaningless…
I don’t want anymore to be in endless polemics ,I don’t care!…
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Gilbert,
I don’t care doesn’t mean I am detached or a new buddhist product…it means there is no “me” to be attached or detached,that’s quite a bit different!
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And what difference is there? Truly? If there is no ‘I’ to care or not care, ‘who’ is it that has these opinions? And WHAT is the fuss about and for whom?
SEE and KNOW for yourself. It isn’t about Tony or any naughty ducks.
There is no Tony and that is what he is saying – “There is no you”. Doing the rounds of the treadmill is for the donkey.
The naked SEEING is happening now.
‘When’ the so-called ‘me’ totally collapse (using Tony’s way of putting it) the SEEING does not suddenly come. It is only the obscuring factor ‘me’ that has ceased to be in the picture. It never was there in the first instant. See if you can find it right NOW.
It isn’t there. It is just an idea that appears and disappears.
What is it that remains always?
The so-called ‘epiphany’ can happen at any moment. It is more likely to ‘happen’ if the mind is open. Being closed and clinging to mantras and hear-say, it is unlikely to ‘happen’.
The so-called epiphany is OPENNESS cutting through the minds habitual terrain.
The Openness is always present – but not for anyone – not for a ‘person’.
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So let’s have a cup of coffee and a good sunday!:-)
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Excellent idea ‘nobody’….I wonder who that could be…….no prizes for guessing…..ha.
Well at least we are not in Brazil where the Catholic Authorities play havoc with peoples lives. Make mine a strong black and a dash of sweetener.
All that aside, I think it is a good program and it is good to see some comments flowing nicely. No one is trying to steer anyone off course here.
These dialogues may assist many who don’t venture to comment. I would encourage some of those to venture out of their cubby houses and make a comment.
You wont be shot down like some Messer Schmitt. Well not unless you are completely out of line.
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I hope I would drink a good strong black coffee from the UGC!:-)
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This is not about sectarian views. That should be obvious to most who visit this site.
In the ‘appearance of things’, I would say that anyone who listens to Tony, Bob and a few selected others and ‘hears’ a clear message that resonates in their ‘being’ is most fortunate. Far more fortunate than those who are stuck with the traditional teachings which only keep people on the treadmill. Because these ‘pointings’ or ‘teachings’ are radical and cut though the dogma of erroneous expressions and distorted ‘teachings’, they may never be popular. The ‘mob’ consciousness does not have the discrimination or clarity available to the ‘individual’ (using the term individual loosely).
As Tony says, in regard to the general populus (most people) at the end of the program: “Most who hear this message run back to what they think they know and can believe they can do” – or words very similar to those.
If there is a resonance happening there, then it is a very fortunate ‘thing’.
Follow that resonance. But don’t get hooked on the messenger. Once the message is heard, the messenger loses his job, as far as ‘you’ are concerned. And what is more ‘you’, in the same instant, lose your own ‘job’ of being ‘someone’.
Call it ‘liberation’ or whatever. It is nothing less than LIFE.
Life has many names. But there is ONLY ONE LIFE. This is IT.
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I suggest listening to these programs with a set of headphones. There are some good stereo effects and headphones increase the overall enjoyment. The sound quality on the music portions of this program was particularly good. Headphones also make the sound appear directly between the ears and is a good time to ask yourself to whom is this sound appearing. But you can ask that question any old time.
Jesse, you said: “John Wheeler says that this separation is only a belief, and when that belief is no more, then the assumed separation is no more, and all the problems of the fictive individual vanish. On the other hand, Tony says that the belief is merely a symptom of this “contracted, embodied feeling,†and as such, tackling the belief is useless!”
I think if you’re going to compare teachings, you should compare direct quotes from the teachers and not compare your general understanding of what they’re saying. I’ve never heard Wheeler say those words you wrote above.
On a side note, I personally find lots of contradictions in Tony’s pointers. One minute he’s giving some direct pointing, the next he’s talking about “people I know who have become liberated”, the next he makes a paradoxical statement and then laughs out loud. Not helpful.
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There is a fine golden thread running through the tapestry of these expressions, which, without “trying”, weaves a “Knowing” and a “Being” ,wherein words (As Vibration), are merely the means to an end…. which Never Began.
As Randall has shared>>> Reality, by definition can Only Be Here & Now.
This body/mind condition seems to have a built in amnesia that requires it to keep ingesting these words and pointers… an energy set in motion, repeatedly, seems to become a pattern. The Pattern appears IN or On this screen of awareness, but has absolutely no validity in essence. Forgetting the Why and How of it happens.
Forgetting the Where and When (here and now) is almost impossible, it seems.
Thanx UGC
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I love Tony, but he spends far too much energy commenting on the shortcomings of seeking – as if there really is a separate seeker. This seems to contradict his central message that there is only ‘what is’. Also the suggestion that seeking is an obstacle to liberation, reinforces the idea that liberation is somewhere else.
If there is only ‘what is’, then all this stuff about seeking is irrelevant.
Everything is THAT appearing as whatever is. Dualistic teachings are THAT, seeking is THAT, ‘not getting it’ is THAT. The only thing ‘required’, is for that to be SEEN. And yet paradoxically, in that seeing, that requirement is also seen to have been unnecessary since there is/was nothing but THAT.
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Thank you Areti and Gilbert for another great podcast. I loved the questions and generally the whole way it was put together. You guys are truly amazing and the hard work you put into these sure pays off. And happy anniversary to UGC!
I personally do not see all that much conflict with all the ‘teachers’ that have appeared here, only that the message can be expressed differently I suppose. Basically what it seems to come down to is: there is no separate individual.
I don’t think I have any questions at this time except to say that isn’t seeking, or the apparent seeking, what usually happens to most people before finally recognizing what has always been there? It seems, at least from what I’ve read, to be the case for the vast majority of ‘teachers’ that have seen through the ‘me’. They have all gone through many years of seeking prior to liberation. Yes I’m sure, as Tony says, that some have seen through the false me without any prior ‘seeking’ but aren’t they the minority?
Come to think about it, I believe that B.Katie and E. Tolle have had sudden ‘realizations’ without any seeking but both cases seem to have been preceded by intense personal suffering.
Of course I could be way off, and in a way I hope I am! There is just so much focus on this subject over here especially recently. This is probably what is (seemingly) obscuring that which is ‘obvious’ right now.
Thanks again
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Mike, I think if you’re going to judge someone’s teachings as “paradoxical” you should directly quote whatever it is that you find to be so, rather than saying something generalized and vague ABOUT what they said. Especially if you’re going to advise other people to make direct quotations. I personally haven’t heard anything from Tony that is any more paradoxical than anything else that has been said in the area of nonduality.
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And just to set the record straight, I like both John Wheeler and Tony Parsons alot! Both of their teachings really resonate over here! My intention wasn’t to create some kind of dispute or to blame anyone for being misleading, or anything like that! I was just expressing something that is “personally” frustrating, and yes, I do realize that is in reference to a “me”, so I don’t need someone to F***ING point that out for the 800 billionth time!!!!!!!!!!! If no one else sees the basic difference in their premise, FINE, I don’t give a shit!!
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Ugh, I just lost a post. This one will be shorter. Tony says:
“I know people who have become liberated…”
Pick almost any of his other pointers and put it next to this statement and you’ll see a contradiction. This clip is sprinkled with statements like this that keep the seeker in motion.
And at the end he offers his phone consultations. Smells fishy to me.
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Well, how else do you express “this”? Clearly for the purposes of discussing “this” there has to be distinctions made–because that’s all language does! It makes imaginary distinctions! And so while there is NO becoming, NO people, and NO liberation, etc, the moment a mouth opens and starts making sounds that are somehow meaningful to human brains, imaginary objects like “people” and “liberation” begin to pop up. When in actuality there are NO THINGS, period.
I think Tony’s message is painful for a lot of seekers, because it offers no hope. And that’s the point, because there can’t be any hope in any of this. There’s nothing to get, and no one to get anything. But of course mind/language can only operate in terms of “someone getting something” or “someone to whom something happens,” etc.
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hmmm….. “there is nothing to get” …… do you get it ? if yes, then there is something to get.
……… I’m soooooo confused
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Gilbert must be sleeping~~ Shhhhhh~
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There is only intelligence…intelligence is reponsible for EVERYTHING…all appearance…no exceptions…no exclusions…intelligence runs the whole show.
Where or what is this intelligence? It is NO THING the mind can grasp!
Intelligence just leaves its signature as the appearance, as the creation, as the manifestation. The intelligence is the creation… including the body/mind configuration. ‘You’ are NOT outside of the intelligence.
Just like the wind…the intelligence is unknowable. The wind leaves its signature in the fluttering flag or the waving branch.
‘You’ do nothing! The intelligence thinks, smells, sees, manifests etc etc.
‘You’ cannot ‘get it’!
The intelligence ‘gets it’ OR ‘does not get it!’
And WHATEVER appears, whether it is ‘getting it’ or ‘not getting it’…it could not appear unless the intelligence is PRIOR.
The natural state is prior to anything appearing in the mind.
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“Getting” is assuming that worldly knowledge is valid, that there is an end to the search in knowledge.
The only “getting” is seeing that there can NEVER be “getting” – that any knowledge gained will be false, just looking to the illusion for real answers, looking for Peace within the impermanent and conceptual.
When there is a finality to looking within the conceptual appearances for concrete answers, the obvious and only conclusion is complete not-knowing, never ever being able to figure it out. This is running smack into the mystery of life.
This is being left with nowhere to go. This is being stranded with no hope in sight, no possible answer, no future insight to come “and then….”
The entire search is a false assumption that some knowledge can be eventually gained and then the “I” will be seen as false, and then “liberation” will come, and then….
Bullshit.
What we think we see and think we know is false. Every single bit of it. It’s entirely a conceptual creation. Words make us feel comfortable BECAUSE they create the illusion. Without that illusion, what is left?
What is left?
The fact is, we know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. If this mystery, this total not-knowing is embraced, every assumption HAS to fall away. Every goal HAS to fall away. Whether “YOU” realize the “I” is false or not is COMPLETELY irrelevant – stumbling into this Mystery strips away even the idea that “I must find that the ‘I’ is false.”
Then what is left? Just THIS right HERE and NOW with NO WAY to ever know what the Hell it is – no concept of time or space or individuality or Oneness or Awareness or Enlightenment… literally nothing remains.
And THIS can never be separate OR “one”, simply because these are just more concepts. In this “seeing”, all is left just as it is and the search is irrelevant.
This is why the ancients say – there is no coming or going, no being or not-being, no birth, no death, no multiplicity or unicity. There is only and EVER, THIS complete and total mystery and the “YOU” you’ve taken yourself to be is simply a conceptual creation to mask this. Because once we’ve climbed onto the first platform of illusion – I AM – then from there this mystery is a deep deep fear.
You’re telling yourself a bullshit story to hide the fact that there is NOTHING you can ever ever ever know.
Recognizing the Mystery IS realizing your true Self. Because in not-knowing, it makes no difference if there is an appearance of an “I” in a world – it can only EVER be a concept.
Your true Self can only be what remains – the pure ground AND substance of whatever IS, without ever being able to describe it.
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The ‘nothingness’ that is sometimes spoken here is filled with ‘emptiness’. It is indeed ‘hopeless’ but sometimes it is spoken with ‘aliveness’ and ‘fullness’ and this happens when self recognizes itself.
The true self and the separate self are both ONE. So who is getting it ? Take your pick because it is one and the same. There is no separation. In a way you can say that you are playing both parts . All is included in what is.
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Dear Randall,
i hope i can explain what i want to say because i am not good in english.
When all concepts are gone, something remains. It can´t be described. Thats clear. So nearest and most resonating word for me is presence. But o.k., its only a word.
But where is the love there? Where is the freedomthere ? I know, that words are concepts. But Gilbert, Tony, Bob and so one are speaking of that. But “I” cant find it.
I am sitting now in front of the computer on a chair. When there is no conceptualizing, no thinking, never the less there is existence. Feelings come, sensations come (i must use the wordes “feelings” or “sensations”, also they are not named). Without thinking – there is no seperation. There is also no “oneness”. I understand that. Its quite simple. No I, no you, no chair, no body, just something wich cannot be described remains.
But somehow this feels dead, like the end of life. I think you will say now, that these are also appearing concepts. Yes, thats right. But never the less, somehow this presence ore space, without other concepts, without appearance, feels like dying. No love, because love is just another concept. Just something ordinary nameless.
Its all hopeless.
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One of the things that seems to be happening here is that the talk by Toni (as well as the comments by Gilbert and Randall), allow a type of ´courage´ to continue to develop to go ahead and live the daily life without the John story. It is clear (and not understanding at all ´how´) that John has no interest in going away. The site and its contents are greatly appreciated.
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I couldn´t correct what I wrote earlier above as the site wouldn´t accept this change in the time period alloted to edit. I did want to say: It is clear (and don´t know ´how´) that John has no interest in going away. It´s a pleasure to say again that the site and its contents are greatly appreciated.
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“John” doesn’t need to go away – the entire story of “John” is simply seen as a story on top of the abject poverty of knowledge, a veil of knowledge coloring the absolutely not-knowable. “John” is a way to quantify that which can never be explained. This true “I” is always known and obvious, yet in attempting to quantify it we get lost in the story.
Look at present direct experience, not with analytical eyes full of knowledge, but with the direct impersonal shining of a floodlight – all that is happening is appearance, appearing to what you are. That’s about all that can be said.
The appearances are only definable using concepts – at their root they are raw perceptions and sensations – bundled up and conceptualized. The body is a concept – it is only a “body” because of the obviousness of these flowing perceptions and sensations – these are translated in the mind – bundled up and taken ownership of – applied to that additional concept of ME – “my body”.
Look with this simplicity – see what the body really is – see HOW you know the body – it comes as raw perceptions and sensations, taken together in concept only. The “individual-ME” is created in exactly the same way.
There is no body or mind that we can find in actual experience. The entire experience of ME in a body and body in a world is conceptual.
You are the presence in which these “objects” come and go – isn’t this obvious? If it isn’t, what further concepts are in play? From what platform are you looking?
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Thats obvious, presence, in which everything arises. Then a sensation of extraction, and words arise, saying “I have pain in my back”. And with this arising sentence, the “I” and the “body” are created.
In my perception the most time of the day i am living without a body. For example when i look a intresting film – where is the body there? It is not there. There is only seeing of a film. Without an I and without a body. Or if i have an interesting exiting comunication wiht a friend. No body, no I, just words, appearing in presence. And then suddenly a feeling of snurl arises in presence and at the same time the sentence “Oh, my stomach is snurling, i am hungry, i need something to eat”. And then the body and the I are back again. If at that time my Handy rings – in this Moment – the body and the I is gone again and only hearing happens. Then i look at the display of the Handy and reading the Name for example “Richard” happens. And next the thought “I don´t like to phone wich Richard” appears. And here is the I again. But its only a thought, appearing in presence.
Indeend, most of day i am living disembodied, I am that already. There must be a conceptualization to hold that i have a body, that I am seperate person.
And the most parts of the day the luckles search for enlightment is no problem- because for example at work THERE IS NO THINKING about that problem. Its only a problem, when thinking about this topic arises in the evening.
THATS WHY ENLIGHTMENT AND THE PAINFUL SEARCH IS NOT EXISTING AT WORK, because no thoughts about that arise in this time period.
THINKING ABOUT ENLIGHTMENT iS NOT BETTER AS THINKING ABOUT PAMELA ANDERSON.
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Indeend, thinking about Pamela Anderson is better than thinking about enlightment!!!
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Gilbert, Areti,
Thank you for the open sharing of the message.
YEP,There is no duality in non duality.
luv:)
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Areti has a really sexy voice, especially with that Australian accent.
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Calm down Jesse, this is a family show.
Gilbert’s bike jammed up. The steering column locked up and some limping home happened. All is on the mend now. Sore leg. Arnica cream or fluid (it is herbal) works wonders on bruises. Amazing, no color to the bruising. Normally blue then black. I have used Arnica liquid many times with the same result.
Lavender oil is amazing on mild skin burns also. Pharmacy (drug store) Tips for the Day by Gilbert.
It does not matter who says what. The words of anyone will be full of paradox and contradiction – but take a look. WHERE is this paradox or contradiction APPEARING?
Is it on a page, a screen? Is it in the air as spoken words?
Is it in the energy somewhere? Some dis-ease in the body somewhere.
Have a closer look. Why not? Maybe what you have been avoiding all your life is right there before you – ready to unfold its complex knots. All it needs is a little attention. It needs to be SEEN before it can resolve itself.
Why? Because it is belief that keeps it held together (seemingly).
The Revelation of all revelations is right here, right now, ready for the taking. Yet no one can take it.
Not because they don’t know HOW. NO.
Because the form is formless and it can’t be possessed by any thing since ‘the content’ cannot embrace ‘the container’.
So long as ‘you’ insist one being ‘someone’ it will evade ‘you’. The dissolution of the seeker is a non-event. No Billboards for this one. No one want to buy tickets to see it.
Let me ask you one question.
Do you feel a warmth towards ‘your being’?
The ‘intellect’ may whizz off with some rhetorical answers – a bad habit.
The ‘heart’ may well up with self-consciousness all of the sudden.
WHEN are you going to STOP pretending to BE something that you obviously are NOT?
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Josef,
Hello again my friend. Love to you. Good to hear from you.
If we get stuck trying to figure out where is the Love, where is the Freedom, without first examining the situation which has seemingly created the absence of Love and Freedom, we are asking a question which assumes it’s answer.
Find out your true nature, then Love and Freedom will be obvious.
Your true nature is found by negating all that you are not – neti-neti… have a look at the nature of experience itself – what is it? What really is it? Without applying concepts and labels, what the Hell is it?
It’s raw data. Raw data appearing to a pure subjectivity – a witnessing presence. And then the conceptualization comes in later – this is a “body, mind and world.”
Stay with the raw data. Not-knowing. Examine this situation. Stay with this mystery. See the root of experience, not what comes later in concept. The root is experiencing – seeing/knowing – without the veneer of mind.
This is silence – stillness. This is presence within every experience. This is the actual nature of experience, right now, only it’s constantly ignored.
As Bob says, pause thought – do you disappear? No – this pure raw knowing is ever-present. The conceptualization – the very creation of the body, mind and world happens within that.
Return to that as often as you remember to. You will see that it never leaves, never changes. You will see that the very groundwork of all concepts is the pure fact or function of experiencing – seeing/knowing – against which all the raw data comes.
Freedom is simply the ability for this presence to manifest itself as the body, mind and world, through the mechanism of concepts, or to return to the innate stillness. Interestingly, that is also Love. Loving to BE.
Yet ironically, once the body, mind and world are seemingly manifested, there appears a “josef” wanting to find a way out! Where would he go??? “Josef” can only ever dissolve in Truth as just a concept.
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The foundations of all phenomena is emptiness.
This is obvious – but not to a ‘person’.
The LIVING introduction to this ‘true nature’ is available.
There are few takers.
The ‘me’ is offended because it wants to be included. It is the thought ‘I can always contribute something’. It has no power to add or take away anything. It cannot see, think, hear or do anything at all. SEE that this is true and it is the ‘end’ of suffering.
The duration of suffering is reduced to a fly speck on the mirror like nature of the mind.
No big deal.
Such information is only a thorn in the side for the ‘ME’.
The so-called ‘person’ wants (appears as a wanting) some “Hail Mary’s” or some instructions like “meditate for two hours” or “come to my seminar” – which is just more bullshit to support ‘the story of me’.
The RUTHLESS compassion is to TELL it Straight and True. Only the one who is ALREADY ‘sparked up’ with resonance will respond accordingly.
The rest will go on chasing their tails.
Watching a dog chase its tail is funny for a few minutes – then compassion arises for the poor dog. Seekers are no different. They chase their tails for decades upon decades under the guidance of so-called ‘enlightened teachers’. The empty promise of future deliverance is fortified regularly by newly initiated and appointed ‘In the Club Gurus’. It is all bullshit – and there are NO two ways about it. It is just business as usual.
There are NO enlightened ‘persons’ or individuals. This point has been expressed many times here and Tony repeats this point also in this program.
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Things can be spelled out in detail and the details can go on forever.
The ‘moment’ of discovery is not because of something that is received from outside or from some guru or teacher. The concept of transmission is a trap and thousands fall for it.
Gurus usually don’t reveal the fallacy because they themselves most obviously BELIEVE in some sort of transmission. That transmission ‘event’ that they believed happened to them, ‘becomes’ for them their ‘meal ticket’. It gives them something to SELL.
It is all bullshit.
The intelligence that expresses through one who is totally genuine is consistently ‘pointing’ back to THIS moment. THIS immediacy is where the revelation ‘happens’.
This is discovered in the most intimate fashion possible. It remains indescribable.
Get this clear: It is not an EVENT in time.
It is nothing but your true nature.
All the ‘pointers’ are merely ‘pointers’ to THAT. There is NO ‘you’ that is THAT and yet everything is THAT. The word ‘everything’ is plural. NO THING is singular without being an object.
Discovering that what you have believed you are is actually NO THING is the revelation of all revelations. No one can give it to you.
Once this is clear and obvious – LIFE carries on exactly the same way. One need not hold meetings or even talk about it. However, the apparent change in functioning tends to attract a few who mysteriously feel a resonance with the expressions arising from that clear and empty space where ‘I’ appear to be.
Ironically the seeker is the apparent problem and there is no ‘you’ to stop seeking.
The discovery is totally available – so what stands in the way of this revelation?
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There once was a site called the UGC,
Which pushed the idea, there is no “me”,
Questions did rise,
Like a bunch of black flies,
Just patterns appearing as waves on the sea.
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Hi UGC!
Ad1) Thank you very much for this radio and podcasting. I must very appreciate your work with sound, voice and music (hi Gilbert). I have noticed that you varies selection of the music’s theme slightly (maybe) acording the discussed problem, and create an island of resting place – in the middle of interview… layering the music along… For example in the case of J.Greven – he speak (my view) too quickly and the music balanced it, but longer music passages will be better
Ad2) And I must appreciate that you invite also the UK’s advaitin Tony. Yes, really because it started to seem that this radio is only like Adamoson’s family ;o)))
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So, continue with this and think over about inviting another form UK – Nathan Gill (very clear one!). And just go further to French advaita… Francis Lucille and… Rupert Spira ((must have
Dan
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Ordinary Awareness with nobody there to “do it”.
Ordinary Awareness without even having to think “nobody’s doing it”.
Has anything yet been found that can bind this Awareness in any way or enhance/detract from it?
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Is there Awareness unless you think about it?
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Thank you Dan. I appreciate your frankness and openness. It is pleasant to read a comment that is devoid of resentments etc. The thing is that Bob is the clearest expression on Non Duality that I know. I have listened to many others. Some are quite good yet there is always ‘something’ that does not sit quite right. There are also many teachers who don’t sit at all well, as I see it.
The ‘common problem’ with Bob’s pointing is that it is far too simple and directed at the essence of the listener. What is true is always simple.
His books are thin books. Thick books with hundreds of pages are not about the simplicity of what is true. There is no need for hundreds of pages. But many ‘people’ love big books – it makes them feel like they have something to work with.
Bob never talks about himself as being enlightened or about some complex journey or EVENT that took place. It is all in the SEEING. He just saw the truth of what Nisargadatta pointed out to him. It is very simple. In one instant it was recognized. The same has happened for myself and for others I have spoken with.
It is not an ‘event in time’. It is our true nature.
As Bobs says so often, he is not talking to any ‘person’.
It may take awhile for this factor to sink in for some. The mind is always trying to retain some of its old ground and that is why the simple expression is not heard clearly.
Over the past several years I have seen many so-called seekers come to Bob’s place. Hundreds in total. A few of these, not so small in number, leave after a week or two with an ease in being that was not there when they arrived. Bob does not make a song and dance about any of it. Of course there is a sense of pleasure when the message is really heard.
Only a small number of these ‘fortunate ones’ have gone on to give talks and ‘teach’ what they have discovered.
When I turned up at Bob’s place many of the things he was expressing were a mystery to me. But I knew that there was ‘something’ extremely profound in it. As the months went by this ‘something’ opened up. Then the intelligence ‘acted’ and the idea of ‘me’ retreated in one instant. I KNOW that if I had not heard (from Bob) a certain instruction clearly that this decisive ‘act of intelligence’ may never have ‘happened’.
Now, for this one here, there is nothing paradoxical or mystical in what Bob is expressing. I know beyond a doubt that ‘others’ can also drop the idea of ‘me’ and they do. These factors are never turned into an advertising campaign.
So, even though it may appear that things are leaning towards a ‘Bob Club’, we have included other teachers in these programs. There may be many teachers ‘out there’ who are equally clear and direct. They will turn up one way or another.
Many of the suggested ones are a disappointment, as far as I see. There are just too many stories and too much ‘guru tripping’. We cannot put such teachers forward to our listeners. It just goes against the grain, so to speak.
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Mark, there is no concept about awareness unless there is a thinking about it. They are one and the same.
But there can’t be any thinking taking place without awareness.
It seems that many get confused in understanding the difference between ‘awareness of’ and simple ‘awareness’.
There is nothing separate from awareness. It is ALL awareness ‘appearing’ as this and that.
It seems that the differences in terminology muddies up things for so many.
Some teachers dismiss ‘awareness’ or say it is a confusing term. But, contemplate this: how can there even be confusion without awareness?
How is it known that there is confusion, if there is no awareness of the confusion? It is the believed in entity that is confused, not the awareness.
Awareness is there prior to the arrival of confusion, during the confusion and there after the confusion has resolved itself, so to speak.
It is very simple. ‘People’ get an idea about what awareness is and they go looking for it or try to reject it because some teacher poo poo’s it as being unnecessary.
You cannot negate awareness. It is what you are. When I say ‘you’ in that sentence, I am not referring to an entity.
Got it?
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Gilbert, thanks for the answer.
Yes, and I think the simplicity of seeing for ourself (finaly) is the best in presence of the teacher. Also that in this living presence of teacher may ‘happen’ the final opennig, like you wrote, the seeing. Maybe because of the ‘energetic shift’ of this present directedness, that ‘happens’ naturally.
But I really don’t think that a direct approach of Jean, Francis and Ruper is only about ‘guru tripping’. Jean often said that there is no teacher nor student. Anyhow, they point to the fact of our true nature as present awareness. And I also can strongly recommend the book “Transparency of Things” by Ruper.
D.
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Gilbert, thanks for the answer.
Yes, and I think the simplicity of seeing for ourself (finaly) is the best in presence of the teacher. Also that in this living presence of teacher may ‘happen’ the final opennig, like you wrote, the seeing. Maybe because of the ‘energetic shift’ of this present directedness, that ‘happens’ naturally.
But I really don’t think that a direct approach of Jean, Francis and Ruper is only about ‘guru tripping’. Jean often said that there is no teacher nor student. Anyhow, they point to the fact of our true nature as present awareness. And I also can strongly recommend the book “Transparency of Things†by Ruper.
D.
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Yes, there are inevitable contradictions in Tony’s message.
For instance he says: “The fallacy that the open secret exposes is the misconception that there is a separate seeker that has to seek to find something called enlightenment.” Also, the open secret “explains the deep dilemma of the seeker, that is that the seeker is looking for something that it will never find.”
These statements confirm that the open secret is “exposing misconceptions” and “explaining deep dilemmas”. For the clarification of the seeker no doubt!!
Or… it could be argued that these things just happen, that they are just ‘whatever is’. Of course! But so is self enquiry, meditation, pointing etc. They are all THAT… appearing as ‘what is’.
As for ‘smells fishy’:
Tony is the genuine article. I have been to several of his meetings; he is warm, open and genuinely accommodating (in a no nonsense way.) His ‘phone consultations’ are free. A few years ago I arranged to speak with him at noon. I phoned and he was just in the middle of something so he asked me to ring back in 15 minutes. 10 minutes later he rang me. We chatted for over half an hour at his expense.
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I have to admit I was a little apprehensive to listen to Tony’s message because there is such a resonance here with Sailor Bob, Gilbert, etc…
“I” was doing “fine” with listening to Tony until he said that the pointer, “you are already what you seek…” is misleading and dualistic. Also, when he says “separation is in energy, it’s not a thought.” This gives the impression (here) that there is something MORE that needs to be revealed…
He also talks about the CELLS in the body and the contraction also existing there. When some of the “teachers” focus some of their comments on cells/body (like UG Krishamurti) “I” start to feel like the body has to go through some kind of transformation. I know these are concepts arising here, but I would sure appreciate some comments…Gilbert? Anyone?
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Robin,
I also noticed that this “energetic shift” has Tony often stated. And I must admit, that not only he, of course… many! The separation not only feels the mind, but it seems that many emotions are unconsciously locked in the body… So, not only ‘the answer is not in the mind,’ but true understanding is ‘gut knowledge’, at the level of every cell in the body. Advaita is not only about clear seeing (who see?), but also about heart and love.
D.
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Dear Randall,
thank you for your detailled answer, it is resonating very strong. Yes, Ã will examin the situation. Thank you.
And thank you also Areti and Gilbert and all the others for offering this wonderful website.
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Thoughts arise and set in awareness.
Confusion arises and sets in awareness.
Compulsive seeking arises and sets in awareness.
‘Getting it’ arises and sets in awareness.
‘Losing it’ arises and sets in awareness.
Guru bashing arises and sets in awareness.
Guru defending arises and sets in awareness.
My ‘silent observer’ arises and sets in awareness.
My mind arises and sets in awareness.
Problems arise and set in awareness.
Thinking about awareness arises and sets in awareness.
All of these assertions arise and set in awareness (aka: being, emptiness, cognition, seeing, knowing, light, what-never-changes, this-here-now, God).
Fine so far.
What about this physical world?
It seems to come and go with sleep.
But people beside my bed report that it didn’t go away. (Why should I believe them?)
Looking at the world without belief doesn’t make it disappear.
Materiality is still here. I just don’t know what it is. (And know I can’t know, and don’t need to know.)
Belief in the existence of subject/object physicality arises and sets in awareness.
Denial of the existence of subject/object physicality arises and sets in awareness.
There seems to be ‘middle ground’ here that has nothing to do with compromise, as in ‘mind-not-landing’ or ‘no-mind.”
The Buddha holds a flower and smiles.
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Robin–what are you looking for? More concepts to sink your teeth into? What does the “cells of the body” or any other concept have to do with what you are? The arising of the “me thought” or the gee-whiz cellular concept you mention isn’t the problem. The only “problem” is construing any concept to be a commentary on what you are or as some recipe to go deeper and to achieve some ultimate state beyond what you already are. Is all this stuff (the troubling thoughts and the imagination of how you’ll feel in your “future super-duper state”) appearing in what you are or isn’t it? Are you already THAT or not? Be clear on where you stand. Not where you want to stand, or where you hope to stand one day with the proper knowledge–but where you stand right now. Then pitch these MP3s and all the competing guru concepts (or don’t). Am travelling a long distance right now so may not be able to respond; many more expert than me here who can provide further feedback–you’re in good hands.
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Gilbert and Areti: thanks for another great show.
How can “I” realize that “I” don’t exist? How can “I” wake my “I” from a dream? How can “I” stop believing in an “I”?
So what stands in the way of this revelation? I have no idea.
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it’s the identification with objects, either thought or sensation that brings the ‘me’ or duality into the picture.
waiting to experience somebody else’s physical or transcendental experience is obviously a trap! waiting waiting….time bound….thought IS time…
YOU are the only authority…you can never experience somebody else’s state of being or whatever…the pointers are only helpful if they bring a recognition in you…
there is no belief or denial of subject/object duality….no acceptance, no rejection…there is only being/seeing…and thought will NEVER reach it!!! Thought only APPEARS to create an illusion of duality….it is never the actual…
“I salute the light within your eyes where the whole universe dwells. For when you are at that center within you, and I am at that place within me, we shall be one.”
Chief Crazy Horse
You are never not in that place! That empty center is where ALL thought/objects arise and fall…
Don’t buy someone else’s story! Especially if it’s starting to be seen that ‘you’ are only a story as well!!!!
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Robin,
yes,Tony Parsons always speaks about an energetic shift…because it has nothing to do with clarity or understanding,but as he says it’s a shift out of contraction into boudlessness;
it could be seen as an other carrot for the “me” if it appears as a benefit for the”me”,but rather it is a benefit for no one,so in a sense who cares if there is an energetic shift or not? when you drink the next cup of coffee,who cares if there is a shift or not?
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Thank you very much Kimo and Nathan for your response! In the mind’s attempt to understand “someone else’s story”, confusion may arise. Something here apparently HEARS/RESONATES with the pointing when it is expressed “a la” Bob, Gilbert, etc…It doesn’t seem as “hard core” (I know that may not be the correct word) as Tony…And again, sorry for the concept, but there is an “allowing” that seems to occur when it is expressed from the “so-called” Sailor Bob camp.
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Not been here for ages but good to check in and see what us new. The UGC just gets better!
Living in the UK I have been to Tony Parson’s meetings several times now and they are always special. They are zenner than zen, as he points out time and time again that all there is is this amazing, ever fresh, mysterious, beautiful, incredible life in which anything and everything is happening. Listening to him live is a bit strange coz you almost feel that you know that what he is saying is exactly how ‘you’ feel too. It IS already known by all, that we are not poor little separate needy beings but that we are this indescribable being or whatever name we care to give it.
I have heard many objections raised by people at Tony’s meetings, such as ‘What about transmission from the guru? What about associating with realized beings?’ etc. Some people don’t come back after the coffee break! All Tony’s pointing to is the Recognition that there is nothing outside of this life, how can there be? ‘You’ are alive are you not, and therefore all else exists! That is how I see it anyway. I was pointed by Bob’s books to try to discover a centre in this body. It was never there. So all there is is this incredible living with all its attendant ups and downs. Ridiculously simple but mind-blowing!
I enjoy hearing Tony’s direct pointing and celebration of exactly the same thing that Bob is speaking about.
Be lived to the max, all words do this subject a disservice but that is all we have so ‘I’ tried my best!
Many thanks and greetings to all.
Sam
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Life is what we seek ….
Ridiculous.
Life is already here.
All is life. Nobody is excluded. Nothing.
Life seeks itself,
Sergio
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These programs have only one ‘objective’. To bring about a recognition there, where ‘you’ appear to be.
Whatever ‘means’ that are used are all valid. There is nothing sacred here or anywhere. The sacred cow will be melted down into GOLD.
The GOLD is that ESSENCE that you ARE. It is NEVER a FORM – it only appears as the endless forms in the appearance.
There is no need to protect anyone here. Some talk about Love and some talk about Knowledge. I say both are conceptual traps for that non existent ‘you’.
I have a reputation of being BLUNT. Why not be blunt? It isn’t about being polite and airy-fairy, lovey dovey and devotional. The Beloved is a concept, seemingly useful for some. They all love Rumi’s poetry. But Rumi’s poetry is not going to save you. You can have it on your graves headstone if you want.
Reputations are worthless, just stories. Billions upon billions of ‘personal stories’ have NOT touched that pure cognition that you ARE.
There is only one fact that cannot be negated, contradicted or denied.
‘You’ can not find it. There is no you to find it.
It is not an ‘it’ yet it is all there IS.
Whatever it takes to ‘bring about’ this recognition, which appears to be absent, is VALID.
The re-cognition is only SEEMINGLY necessary because of belief in mind content, what the mind is translating. That which cannot be denied or negated is COGNITION.
‘You’ only ‘appear’ in this cognition. The cognition is what some have named as COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS.
‘You’ as a seeming separate entity want to CLAIM it for yourself. Idiot. Impossible. All of these arguments are just conflicting views of the ONE Singularity – let’s call it LIFE.
ALL true Wisdom is arising from impersonal cognition. No bias of an ‘I’ there to distort the expression.
Wisdom is timeless. Billions upon billions of ‘I’s’ appear in this pure cognition without EVER distorting THIS Immaculate Open View.
THIS immaculate view is right HERE where that ‘you’ appears to be. The ‘you’ is just a story, a label floating about in ‘space’. It has NO substance. SEE that clearly – KNOW that clearly. It does not NEED any prior knowledge, opinion or a belief from the PAST.
It transcends all time, opinions and beliefs.
Smart ass seekers are a dime a dozen.
Smart ass teachers are a penny a pound.
‘WHEN’ are you going to get down to the NITTY GRITTY and stop ‘farting around like a village Idiot’? If not NOW, then WHEN?
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Where are you seeing from?
When I use the word ‘you’ I am not referring to an entity.
Whatever you TRULY ARE – where is the SEEING happening?
This ‘where’ is the only ‘place’ to look.
The Cosmic Answer is right there, which is actually and accurately called ‘HERE’ where ‘you’ or ‘I’ appear to be.
In the appearance of things, I am sure that Tony or any genuine so-called ‘teacher’ would not give a twig about ‘himself’, so long as that recognition arises there for that non-you. All the paradoxes and conflicts of description and beliefs resolve themselves naturally – without a seekers involvement.
Some teachers go on about how this is confusing and that is confusing.
WELL can anyone ever make it CLEAR? Where is the confusion? The CLEAR expression will eradicate the confusion without incident. IF not then it isn’t clear.
What is holding onto the confusion? What I say is the Everything is Clear and Obvious. It doesn’t BECOME clear and obvious. IT IS already SO.
So, what is it that fogs the view? It is belief in ‘me’ that clouds the view. So, drop it and SEE. Don’t come back with another question “Who is going to drop the me?”
That is just more mind stuff. Drop it and SEE. It is totally possible because Clear SEEING is already happening.
Words are words.
There are NO great Teachers or sages except in the appearance of things.
There is no awakening for any ‘person’.
Are you not awake right now? Isn’t there clear cognition happening?
What MORE do you want?
What do you want to add to that clear cognition and WHO is it that wants to add or remove something?
The so-called ‘Truth’, if we can use such a word, is SIMPLE. It is ONE – not even One.
It is NO THING.
No one has EVER gone beyond NO THING.
The revelation of ALL Revelations is that I am that no thing.
It cannot be a big deal. If it is TRUE, that what I truly am is NO THING – then WHEN was I ever some-thing?
‘Seeking’ is all about a lacking YOU. The rude ‘awakening for no one is that there is no YOU.
Tony says that Liberation is not about Seeking. Don’t get me wrong, I am not being contradictory here. Whatever is necessary to clear this up is VALID.
What is liberation without its opposite ‘bondage’?
Liberation cannot be anything without seeking. Unless liberation is NO THING. I think Tony is actually pointing at this factor.
There cannot be any liberation for anyone because there NEVER was anyone in BONDAGE, ever.
Laughter spontaneously arises – or NOT.
There is NO Duality in Non-Duality. THERE IS NO DUALITY IN NON DUALITY.
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Hi Gilbert
You say:
There is nothing separate from awareness. It is ALL awareness ‘appearing’ as this and that.
What I get from that, unless I am way off, is that without awareness there cannot be objects and conversely without objects there would be nothing to be aware of. Both appear simultaneously here in ‘me’. Perhaps I did not word this correctly but I hope you see what i mean by this, or that you could correct me if need be.
I wonder however if hypothetically all human beings on the planet were to fall asleep at the same time or were rendered unconscious, wouldn’t the manifestation still be there even if no one were there to witness it? If so does this not imply a separation?
Thanking you for your patience
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Please be aware that at no point am I intending to be Rude or Arrogant. It may appear that way for some sensitive souls. I am not interested in sensitive souls. This is no trifling matter. So, lets put away our kid gloves and get down to the tin tacks, the nitty gritty.
I am just being blunt and direct. Why not? Too much pussy footing about goes on, that is my opinion. Yes, ‘I know’, there is no ‘me’ or ‘my’. Language is dualistic – but communication happens. I am not afraid to express what needs to be expressed in whatever words that arise here. There is no transmission. Transmission is bullshit.
The WHOLE manifestation is ‘an’ APPEARANCE. This appearance is One Essence appearing, expressing itself and IT contains ALL the apparent STATES of MATTER. TIME is an appearance in the timeless. All states are appearances in the State-less, Time-less, Space-less NO THING.
THAT is what you ARE, without the ‘you’. COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS. Where is the need for acceptance or rejection in THAT?
Whether the entire human race is asleep or in the waking state in this moment or not, it makes NO difference. It won’t ever happen because the manifestation is dualism.
Night and day are ONE. Light and darkness are ONE. That clear and empty nature of pure cognition registers it ALL, without preferences and without coloring it or changing it.
The reference point that ‘we’ measure such ‘things’ and postulations from is merely a reference point in the so-called mind. This activity is centered on a fictional character which we commonly call ‘me’.
NOW, the message is: LOOK into this self-center and SEE if there is any substance there.
‘People’ dismiss this suggestion for ‘one reason’ or another. It would SEEM that ‘they’ have to ‘do’ this dismissal because it is under-cutting the foundations of ALL their beliefs.
What are you without a belief?
Are you not aware, awake, right now? To deny this is the realm of a fool. Only a fool is offended by the so-called ‘truth’.
Isn’t this clear and empty space of cognition beyond all dependences?
The ‘world’ appears in this ‘space-like awareness’.
This profundity is beyond the mind capacity to understand.
Yet because it is TRUE it is the unchanging FACTOR that is OVERLOOKED by everyone.
Because it has ALWAYS been so, the mind has nothing to compare THIS with.
The mind operates via comparing ‘things’ with other ‘things’.
It is ALL Awareness APPEARING as this and that.
If you drop the activity of LABELING everything and let the mind rest on nothing at all – then what I am ‘pointing at’ will not be a mystery to you. Not that there is a you, as such. But YOU KNOW what I am saying.
All this non-dual jargon about me and you and that there is no me or you is really wearing thin. You exist and THAT cannot be negated. ‘You’ is just a word, a label – I am not talking about a separate YOU. There is ONLY ONE. We are talking about Non Duality. One without a second.
Start with that undeniable factor.
The world and time APPEAR in this clear space of pure cognition.
There is no argument that can demolish THIS Clear and Present Evidence. It is your true nature.
Basically, ALL psychological suffering is unnecessary.
In the appearance of things ‘I have already pulled many out of the mire of delusional mind’.
Just because I have not gone along with the ‘teacher role’ does not mean that the clear message cannot be delivered from HERE.
It is ONLY A ‘ME’ that can be offended by words. So, if there is a disturbance happening, something we call offended-ness – LOOK into it and see if there is anything with any substance or independence to it. Simple. Far TOO simple actually. That is why no one does it. “It can’t be that simple”.
If there is a ‘you’ that wishes to ignore or even denounce my advice, then that is your prerogative.
However it is KNOWN without a doubt that THIS WORKS. It has NOTHING to do with Belief.
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Great! Thank you so much Gilbert for the words . They never fall on deaf ears. I will stay with the simplicity as suggested. The looking into the ‘me’. It seems that this is something I am not used to, always going for the complicated route. And no offense has ever been taken, at least not here. Quite the contrary actually. Thank you for remaining clear just as you are and in being generous with your responses.
I fully realize that the mind over here is way overactive at times (always looking for a problem needing a resolution) and these words really help very much.
Again, thank you for your patience. – Very much appreciated.
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Good. In the first instant of pure cognition there is NEVER a problem and no one to have a problem.
Problems ‘appear’ in the complexities of mind stuff and always are in relation to a ‘me’.
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This is how [I] make sense of it:
“You are THAT” and “There is no you” are the same message. Because,
THAT = Awareness = No-thing
Even tho there is no making sense of it.
Love,
Chuckles
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The confusion starts when we look FOR our true nature.
When we realize we are looking FROM our true nature already, the confusion ends.
We cannot ever describe it, quantify it, or capture it – yet it’s undeniable – the source “I”, that simple feeling of Being, this function we call “awareness”, the present Presence of Knowing, is an unshakable background to each and every experience, no exception.
Playing with concepts is the mind doing it’s job – yet when it becomes crystal clear that the mind appears and disappears against a changeless source, there is nowhere to left to go. Any movement in seeking it is completely missing the point.
Stop and you are already home.
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Thanks Randall
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There is nothing outside of PRESENCE.
Everything IS presence.
Every speck of it. “The universe stands ever before your eyes.”
“The Kingdom is within you and without you, and all around you and you see it not.”
Space-Like Awareness. Clear and empty of all ‘things’. Yet full of LIFE.
The subtle motions and e-motions arise from NO THING and enter the subatomic levels of existence. They grow into activities and movements.
Actions appear, events appear and ‘time’ is born in the mind.
Yet nothing ever moved in Reality.
What you truly are has never changed. There is no ‘you’ in it.
Where are you SEEING from?
Are you not looking out of empty space?
Look into that space and see if there is a ‘doer’.
Presence contains all movement without changing in its essence.
All inclusive.
ALL the Eons of so-called ‘time’ are contained in that space from where you are seeing from.
The poverty of the dualistic mind with its discontent, resolves itself in our true nature.
Peace beyond all understanding.
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Gilligan,
So eschewing all Non Duality-speak, for one still “seeking to understand,” on a practical level, what can one do?
It’s understood that all conceptual thinking is just appearing and KNOWN somehow, and all these things sorta ‘vomit’ outta this KNOWING.
But how to rest in the SOURCE that we are? Since there’s no one to rest — as they’re a concept — however there is a releasing of that concept somehow.
I believe you’ve said in the past that it’s mostly habitual thinking. It’s weird, it’s no thing and there’s no way to grab it. What’s trying to grab is conceptual.
Again, eschewing the politically-correct Advaita-speak, “do we just keep releasing and try to look/rest with the aliveness?”
Thanks,
Bryce
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BEFORE: Looking for The One in The One.
NOW: Looking from The One at The One.
BEFORE: A feeling of something looking for something: search.
NOW: A feeling of nothing looking at everything: finding.
BEFORE is a manifestation of NOW.
Anything can arise, and does.
Nothing changes, yet everything looks different.
Pure seeing has always been happening.
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The appearance can appear as all manner of forms that appear to try, trying to become anything at all, other than what it is. Or it can appear as a dead leaf, devoid of all trying.
You think you can do something – yet you have no idea where those thoughts of ‘doing something’ come from. There is no way out of the dream in the dream.
Advaita correctness is a torture chamber for the mind. The goody goody Advaita devotee is just a prisoner of a self-image.
There is only one way out of the mind. FULL STOP. (period)
Don’t buy it until you ‘Try it’.
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Who cares whether there is an energetic shift or not?
what is affected by that? those two questions dismantle any interest for a shift…so let’s have a good expresso!:-)
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Gilbert,
“Actions appear, events appear and ‘time’ is born in the mind.
Yet nothing ever moved in Reality”
Are we just dreaming & when we wake up none of this crap bothers us anymore? Is that what there is to look forward to? Please tell me something that will make me feel better about what’s happening in the world today..seems real to me!
Ron, says “Nothing changes, yet everything looks different.
I could handle that if I could just look at everything differently…like people on drugs do , as long as they are high everything looks rosie!
Do you guys just carry on everyday laughing inside knowing this whole thing is just one big cosmic joke?
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It doesn’t matter what the ‘fact’ is, drug problem, problems at work, how hard illusion wants you to believe that ‘this problem’ is a real one, a heavy one, and that peace has to be shaken.
Yet, reality is very humble. It’s the reality, peace, no matter what ‘problem’ arises. There’s no relation between ‘my life’ and what the ‘I’ refers to. Our true nature is steady, however worse the story or condition it appears: mental or physical disability, torture etc., our essence is ever there.
And it is not ‘our’ essence as in an individual essence…it’s what at the core of the entire universe.
But ignoring this fact deep in the heart and resonating with it, we believe on what the appearence is telling us.
C’mon there’s no snake, it’s just a rope!
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Presence-Awareness. You are THAT. I am THAT. We are THAT. Tigers are THAT. Foreplay is THAT. Grandma is THAT. Prune juice is THAT. Farting is THAT. Nipple tissue is THAT. Knuckles are THAT. Simon from American Idol is THAT. Meatloaf is THAT. Beer is THAT. Seawater is THAT. Ogre genitals are THAT. Rabbits mating on mother’s bedspread is THAT. Eating a pear while taking a long whiz on the frontlawn is THAT.
You are NOT. And You are THAT.
NOTHING HAS EVER HAPPENED!!!!!! HOLY CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS ALL A DREAM!!!!!!!
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Haha
Bryce called you Gilligan!
Sailor Bob would definitely be the Captain
But is Areti Ginger or Mary-ann?
Thanks so much for these podcasts and discussions
This is huge, Best thing on the web.
I love the lack of pussy footing
Kicking ass. In the kindest way i think.
Hypnotized by language ass.
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Yes this is all a ‘Dream’! But for who?
There is no ‘Dreamer’, only the ‘Appearance of Dreaming’.
Never a beginning or a ending to a ‘Dream’, but a ‘AWAKENING’ to the ‘Dream’.
All is encompassed in the ‘TOTALITY of SEEING’.( REALITY/KNOWING )
This will not be grasped by thought/mind! Once this is clearly seen there is a natural unfolding and ease with all manner of phenomena (physical/mental) arising in the ‘SEEING’. The view is wide open and clutter free from obstruction.
This is your ‘NATURAL NON-STATE’ of functioning! From where this ‘SEEING’ happens, who can say?
Peace and Warmth to all at UGC.
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There is NO answer in the mind.
Realize THIS:
All movement is subsumed in Stillness.
All sound is subsumed in Silence.
All ‘things’ are subsumed in NO THING.
By following what the mind translates a ‘follower’ is seemingly created.
It has NO duration in reality.
SEE that. KNOW that.
“The KINGDOM is within you and without you, it is all around you and you see it not”.
Yet – “The universe stands ever before your eyes”.
Where is the conflict?
Isn’t it an idea of being separate?
That idea like ALL ideas has NO substance.
It appears in the SEEING – and it takes on a seeming reality because it has never been closely examined by the INTELLIGENCE that you ARE.
There is no ‘you’ as such in it.
The labels are empty – forever empty.
‘We’ give the labels MEANING and ignore what is totally natural.
This is the basic equation.
The Clear Evidence is TOTALLY available right NOW.
Where are you seeing from?
Are ‘you’ not looking out of empty space right NOW?
Where is the need to be ‘someone’ that is seeing?
Let the SEEING be free – then everything reveals itself just as it is.
If you let ‘things’ be what they are, then you can naturally and effortlessly be what you are.
This is so wonderfully simple, everyone by passes it – and they go in search of something else. The ‘Me’ is resistance to ‘what is’.
This is why that ‘you’ forever turns on a dead spot and feels so much frustration – because it is believed in.
It is all erroneous beliefs.
BUT……see how difficult it is to ween the believer off the ‘mechanical’ processes of believing in such ‘things’.
So, ‘who’ is it that has a problem? It can only be a fictional ‘me’.
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Gilbert, this may sound somewhat silly but memory/thinking process/mental sharpness (whatever you may want to call it) appears to be on the decline in staying with this presence/ the constant hum. “I ” arise and set in it. There’s not much ado about anything.
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So there isn’t much sense in seeking within a dream, only will find dream answers. It is all here, right now.
Separation is only an idea, but why does it seem like more than an idea appearing, it seems like a reality, not just an idea. I can dismiss most ideas as just ideas, but not this one, why is that? My body reacts as though it is separate, my mind reacts as though it is separate, everybody else seems to act as though they are separate, it seems so real.
Although everything Tony and Gilbert say about separateness not being real, I seem to accept, understand, and resonate with, I still seem to act as though I am separate. It is like being in a dream and having some understanding that it is a dream, but continuing with the dream. How does one wake oneself up?
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To milton :
who are you? are you?
there is a me trying to wake up? where is it ? it´s the me real, or just a history?
aren´t you awake right now? what more you are waiting, than this simple and evident presence ?
If you are That , already, as the ancient texts says, then, who is this me tryn to wake up?
The me is the dream, the dream of me, separation.
If you look for it, what can you find?
You are. Period. The seeking can stop, right now, only if you are ready for it. Only if you are willing for it.
We always seek for bigger experiences, and now … you are seeking awakening.
What do you imagine awakening is ?
You are awake right now.
What are you trying to do ? who?
In the simplicity of this, the seeker cannot put his own foot. The seeking is only remaining energy, trough belief.
There never was a seeker in the first place. The seeking history, is another history.
End right now the history, and you are.
Have you something to lose ?
“Taste the presence”
The looking for solutions, the looking for answers, is only mind activity.
Are you the mind ?
What we truly are, is present. You can have toughts, presence is already here. It is what you truly are. You have to recognize that for yourself.
The buts, the looking for more, is the mind.
Are you the mind?
End with the seeker… looking for it. Are you a seeker? what are you?
This is for everybody. Is free….
Nothing to do with spiritualism, nothing to do with discipline.
All the seeking history, is just that, a history.
Pause a tought, and you didn´t fall apart. (This is Bob pointing, effectivity)
Tasting the presence, as something new, something fresh, is the solution, to the egotic, seeking game.
Definitevely, no real answer in the mind.
You can point to this, in this manner, or the another manner … what is important, is the recognition, not the pointer.
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Look for this “I” that claims ownership of these assumptions. Can it actually be located? It is only an appearance. Where is it appearing and…disappearing (when thoughts are not floating)?
What is prior to the arising of this “I”? What remains when this “I” that claims ownership disappears?
Randall, in a previous post, explains this dilemma very clearly:
The confusion starts when we look FOR our true nature.
When we realize we are looking FROM our true nature already, the confusion ends.
We cannot ever describe it, quantify it, or capture it – yet it’s undeniable – the source “Iâ€, that simple feeling of Being, this function we call “awarenessâ€, the present Presence of Knowing, is an unshakable background to each and every experience, no exception.
Playing with concepts is the mind doing it’s job – yet when it becomes crystal clear that the mind appears and disappears against a changeless source, there is nowhere to left to go. Any movement in seeking it is completely missing the point.
Stop and you are already home.
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Thanks for the comments. There is nobody to have a dream or be in a dream. When looking from our true nature there is no one to wake up, no separation to dissolve. Got it.
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Interesting to hear Tony being interviewed on UGC!
Apparently Tony’s message has become ‘refined’ over the years; back in 2002 he was saying that “…what arises in being is the idea that ‘you’ exist. It’s just an idea, it’s just a thought, that there is someone.” (All There Is 2003 Open Secret Publishing)
For anyone wanting to listen to/watch another interview with Tony, there’s an excellent website called Conscious TV with interviews with Tony, and also 2 people who ‘got it’ after listening to Tony; Richard Sylvester and Roger Linden (google for Conscious TV, go to the site and scroll down the list of interviews).
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Only a seeming ‘me’ has a seeming problem. In the appearance of ‘things’ all possibilities appear and disappear. Call it a dream or whatever ‘you’ wish to call it. The INTELLIGENCE that lies within and without ‘this so-called dream’ is the SAME.
It appears AS everything yet it does NOT change in its essence.
So, then, for ‘some’ the intellect gets picky and the word ‘essence’ is jumped on and demolished, or some other word.
“I am right and you are wrong” is the arrogance of the ‘seeming separate intellect’.
As Nisaragdatta says “When I see that I am nothing, that is wisdom – when I see that I am everything, that is love – (and) ‘my life’ moves between these two”.
The appearance of a transmission (lineage) is another ‘appearance’.
When someone claims to have ‘got it’ from someone else, it is erroneous information.
It is ONE Intelligence Energy appearing AS everything – the expression of One LIVING Essence.
Pure cognition is not a form – there is no one in the cognition – SEEING is empty.
Because it is empty, everything that appears is clear and obvious.
The slightest speck of attachment distorts the view.
There is KNOWING. When ‘I know’ appears it is the dream.
Everything is Clear and Obvious – so ‘when’ this ‘I know’ is recognized from beyond or outside of this ‘identification with form’ – it is not of any benefit for anyone.
It IS still nothing but pure KNOWING.
In this knowing, nothing ever happened.
No one gets liberated. No one was EVER in bondage.
It does not ‘matter’ how much twisting and turning ‘you’ do – amazing psychological gymnastics and double back flips – it will achieve nothing at all.
The Open View is completely available right NOW – because it is reality.
The Open View is NEVER available in the Dream. And the Dream Character cannot SEE.
- Period.
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Dorothy,
Thanks for pointing out what Randall said. Sometimes I read this stuff & overlook some really good points.
“The confusion starts when we look FOR our true nature.
When we realize we are looking FROM our true nature already, the confusion ends.”
Would you say, EVERYTHING IS HAPPENING FROM OUR TRUE NATURE and that not one thing could have been different in anyway? I seem to live with a lot of regret thinking I should have LIVED MY LIFE DIFFERENTLY.
Sully
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But what is this “I” to begin with? If this question is tackled as THE question, a load of suffering begins to crumble automatically.
Somehow, this I can never be ever be located. In the hunt for this “I” all that is ever found is this constant hum of livingness. What is personal about this? It just is. When the so called person discovered to be non existent, where does personal choice fit in?
To say “everything is happening from our true nature” is already creating a division. Where is the separation between OUR and TRUE NATURE?
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Exactly. Who cares? Who is making all these calculations? For what benefit and for whom? All there is is knowing. No knower and no one who ever ‘got it’.
Everything is that intelligence energy.
As soon as these simple ‘pointers’ are engaged with, with a mood of the contrary, then the dream is already weaving its dream.
There is NO separation – there is NO duality in Non Duality. – Period.
This little piece just happened to spill out:
The lamppost stands erect and true. The clear light shines up, down and all around.
Seekers wander in a dream, in the darkness on fictitious ground.
Mumbling to themselves all manner of mantras and learned things.
They follow each other like sad lost sheep, bumping each other in their sleep.
They follow some textural guiding map, or straggly bits of well-worn strings.
Halt. Arrest your weary legs. Cease from this madness.
Come lean upon the lamppost and rest in this clear light.
The post is ‘I’ and the ‘am’ is being.
The light is ‘knowing’.
Recognize that this knowing does not actually rest upon the ‘I’ or post.
It shines without a need for ‘reason’ – and everything appears in this light.
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“Liberation doesn’t happen. Liberation is all there is….”
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I am Liberation pretending not to be liberated!!! WOW!
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It is all words – empty words.
There is NO liberation and nothing bound by anything.
‘WHO’ talks about liberation? Except those who believed that they WERE someone or something bound.
To make a big deal out of this thing called liberation is just ‘creating more seeking’.
Seeking and liberation are both words.
WHERE do the words register?
WHAT do they mean?
It is ALL subsumed in this living presence which is SOLID Presence – unmoving – unchanging.
There is no future in the past – there is no past in the future.
All there is is THIS presence of awareness – THIS awareness of presence – NOT two. One Essence.
No one ever, EVER realizes that – the movement of the apparent realizing of that appears and returns to stillness. No ‘you’ ever went there.
Only an apparition appears as a ‘form’ and that form has no duration. It is a mirage.
Where is the seeing happening?
If you could see the binary code for this simple web-page it would appear as a complex series on data, a pattern. The meaning that you perceive with these words would be lost. Each word is simply a shape, recognized because it has been learned. It is simply a bunch of pixels – light, electronically produced on a screen. The same pattern appears on hundreds of screens in the ‘same moment’ possibly. The meaning of the words varies tremendously according to what? Some readers find a resonance and others find annoyance or arrogance.
It is simply light appearing. Who do you think you are? What are you made of?
Note: These pages are not for placing links. If ‘people’ are genuinely interested they can find what they need on the internet by searching via the normal means.
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Tony uses the word “Liberation” quite a lot in the interview. So it’s helpful to clarify that “Liberation” and “Presence-Awareness” are interchangable and point to the same non-thing.
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Ok, then that means I am “Presence-Awareness†pretending not to be “Presence-Awarenessâ€!!!
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Gilbert says:
“Note: These pages are not for placing links. If ‘people’ are genuinely interested they can find what they need on the internet by searching via the normal means.”
Do the Advaita Police have the same rule in their rule book?
Any more rules we should know?
(;-)
Karl
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Like Gilbert said, it’s all words…empty words.
Drop the words and what remains?
It means really nothing. It is…
When you say I am Presence Awareness; it creates a seeming split. As though, there is a you who’s trying to understand that it is Presence.
Look for that “you”.
What is found? Can it be described in any words? Presence, Awareness, Liberation? More concepts for the mind to work with….
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Good to see some clear expression popping up here. Even though the mind can’t understand THIS, still sometime ‘sinks in’ and bubbles up again in fresh expressions.
Anyone interested in following what Tony is on about will have NO trouble finding lots of material. There are no rules books. If you cant find a direct pointing to WHAT IS here, then going off somewhere else won’t do much good either. Let’s keep it simple.
No one needs to get paranoid or offended, especially Karl. Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more.
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Awakening,Liberation,energetic shift,final understanding,just farts in the wind!:-)
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It’s been helpful for “me” to relax and let go of some of the mental conflict by sort of translating between the different communicators on this–that is to say, by recognizing that for instance, “liberation” and “awareness” and “oneness”, etc, are essentially the same pointer. As Gilbert said, terms like “liberation” can really fuel the seeking. But nevertheless, “liberation” is often emphasized. And so it’s very helpful to recognize that “liberation” is not an event that occurs in time–it’s always already the case.
And yes, these are just words, sounds, arbitrary symbols. But saying, “it’s just words” over and over again is pretty useless. “It’s just words” is just more words! What are we using to communicate with right now? Words! What do Tony and and John Wheeler and Sailor Bob, etc, use to communicate this message? Words!
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The words are essentially pointing to something that is wordless.
But the common tendency is mystification with words and to look for some special meaning within them.
All words are empty and so is their meaning.
It is not really important to recognize that liberation is already here, as stated; the only important factor to recongnize is what YOU are. Until this is recognized all else is conceptual.
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but don’t you see that recognizing what you are, and recognizing that liberation is already here, is exactly the same thing!!!! (or to be more accurate, the same no-thing).
to recognize what YOU ARE is to recognize that liberation is already here.
and so to say that “it is not really important to recognize that liberation is already here, only to recognize what YOU ARE” is exactly like saying “it is not really important to recognize what YOU ARE, it is only important to recognize what YOU ARE.”
And yeah, I’ve read John Wheeler’s books too. why negate Tony’s message, and reiterate John’s message, when they are exactly the same message in different words!! why not recognize that they are the same message, instead of adopting one message as a belief system and then dismissing the other message w/ “all words are empty” blah, blah, blah. even “all words are empty and so is their meaning” is another belief!
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Either way is fine; as long as it is recognized…
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Jesse,
all words are farts in the wind…you can forget them and have a good beer at the local pub!:-)
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I am in a cycle in which I seem to recognize what I am for a few moments and then there don’t seem to be any problems or a “me” to have problems, and there is clarity, but then old habit patterns and a onslaught of problems appear and I re-identify with them. After reading pointers I feel I have “got it” but then a little taste of the phenomenal world sends me reeling. It is a little disorienting. Appreciate any advice on this.
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Yes, I know exactly what you mean, Milton. In spite of clear seeing, the “I” does not want to give up its imaginary throne. Sometimes simply recognizing that it’s all happening within this Seeing/Knowing, or questioning the validity of the “me,” is enough to put it all to rest. At other times it does no good. “Disorienting” is a good description.
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Milton,
Does the aware space in which these “moments” of clarity and confusion come and go become affected or changed?
Did the false identity actually ever obscure this clear seeing? Isn’t it still there even when there seems to be a ME?
Isn’t the ME just a thought, which itself is nothing but a sensation appearing TO the seeing, ON the seeing, even AS the seeing? Isn’t the sensation itself dependent on that seeing to even appear?
You are the seeing – you do not disappear depending on the content of thought or the presence or absence of identification. The “thoughts” are nothing BUT appearances OF the seeing – objects in a mirror are MADE OF mirror. The mirror isn’t changed no matter the content of the reflection.
The reflection itself was never separately existing – it was only ever mirror – when the reflection appears, there may be a focus on that reflection and an assumption that the actual substance (mirror) is not present – yet when the reflection dissolves the mirror remains as it was.
In the same way, this seeing, this Consciousness, is always present and cannot be lost in transit with temporary thought.
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Keep with the simplicity of this. You are present. Your own being is what is being pointed to. You can never find that as absent in direct experience. The phrase ‘your own being’ is only a pointer. Seeing what is being pointed to, there is a natural dropping of the word. There is no ‘perfect’ or ‘right’ word for that immaculate presence that is entirely non-conceptual to begin with. It is pointless and somewhat naïve to negate one set of words in favor of some ‘better’ word. Being, awareness, presence, oneness, aliveness, love, true nature, no person, etc. are all pointing to the exact same reality, the natural state of things. If you get into slicing and dicing the words and then using those distinctions to support flimsy arguments as a basis for ‘one-up-man-ship’ (i.e., who ‘has it’ and who ‘does not’, etc.), you would be falling right back into the belief in duality and the concept of separate selves. You can say ‘oneness’ in language, but if the interest returns to conceptual hairsplitting and reinstates the person concept in a different guise, it defeats the purpose, don’t you think?
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The mind is time.
Awareness is timeless.
It seems that ‘we’ or ‘I’ need to re-cognize what ‘we are’ or ‘I am’.
‘We’ is collective and ‘I’ is singular.
Siddharameshwar says (said): “Do not try to see through someone else’s eyes”.
The way I put it is “There is only one seeing happening”.
The body can’t see, the mind can’t see.
What animates the body? What is that living spark that animates the body in THIS instant?
Isn’t it a living, pulsing, vibrant intelligence, which is here ‘prior’ to the concepts.
The mind is time. Awareness is timeless (non dual).
The me is bound into the realm of time because it is a concept.
What is it that animates this ‘seeming me’?
A wind up clock needs to be wound regularly for it to keep ticking.
The spring is set in tension by winding it up tight.
When the spring is unwound completely the ticking stops and the ‘hands of time’ cease to ‘measure’ this ephemeral thing called time?
What time is it? The answer is NOW.
The ‘Big Spring’ that animates the Universe doesn’t need a ME to wind it up.
The ‘timeless-ness’ is what animates the time-bound mechanical nature of ‘matter’.
You or what you truly are is not in time. The believed in ‘you’ is not able to enter the timeless.
Can something come out of nothing?
Can matter know spirit?
Can spirit know matter?
That which has never been alive, can never die.
Can the mechanical clock know the timeless? Can it know time?
As Nisargadatta says: “Stop pretending to be what you are NOT – and don’t refuse to be what you are”.
If you truly wish to go beyond the mind in one instant, then stop thought, drop the ideas, even for only an instant.
If you cannot ‘seem’ to do that then contemplate what ‘re-cognition’ truly IS.
What separates re-cognition from cognition?
It cannot be a concept can it? A concept cannot separate anything except other concepts – and they are all ephemeral appearance.
There is NO separation happening anywhere.
Some Tips:
1. The First Instant of Being is cognition.
2. The mind must be understood, otherwise it will keep you turning on a dead spot.
3. Re-cognize what has already been cognized – you already KNOW – only it seems that you have forgotten.
4. There is NO you as such.
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Be Seeing Light prior to eye/brain translation, like falling asleep while wide awake.
This is how we came out of the womb. This is how we have always been. This is how we are even now, in the gap between thoughts or lost in habitual mind chatter.
It makes no difference. Nothing to calculate. Light is light.
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“Don’t hide your light under a bushel” - quote from the young man from Nazareth.
The light by which you see and know is prior to every-thing.
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Hi Gilbert,
I noticed once here and many times on the comments following the last show (John Wheeler’s), whenever John Wheeler posts a comment, the next comment is always from you.
Is this because you are trying to top him, or because he inspires you to post, or what?
Thanks for the shows and the place for folks to post.
All the best,
Richard
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Ha. Oh dear I have been spotted. Poor poor me, whatever will I do now?
I didn’t think anyone would notice. Ah, well I guess the game is over now. We can close this thing down since the chance of ME fooling everyone is finished. It is okay though because I am a creative type and I can always find another way to express myself.
Funny how the impact of direct pointing is the only factor that seems to slip by everyone, leaving them with nothing but gossip, innuendo and inference to play with.
It is all words – empty words. But don’t let that stop us. There is no competition going on. John writes very clearly and his ‘style’ is probably a lot more presentable than mine. John and I have always been on friendly terms, we even had a great ‘jam’ together when he was here a few months ago. (He on Guitar, singing and me on an Irish Mandola – a mandolin that is slightly bigger)
The simple fact is that I make regular comments, to keep things flowing and to share whatever insights that arise ‘here’ from this ‘discourse’. There are so few who take the plunge and make a comment. It would seem that only a few are listening to the programs but the downloads and the visits to these pages show clearly that the number is not small by any means.
Some have written emails to me saying that they love the programs and enjoy especially the comment pages – but they just have nothing to offer apart from a short supportive comment. If the comment pages were just full of positive affirmations, it would be rather boring I think.
I know that the stimulation of a ‘deep’ interest in this ‘subject’ does no harm, so long as the concepts are pointing back at the core essence.
When comments are made that are divergent, if no one else does it, I may step in and bring it back (convergent) to the essentials in one way or another.
Almost all of the ‘Spiritual’ and Non Duality sites around are full of the ‘belief system’ of the ‘teacher’. It is all about them…their special ‘me’.
If you think I am playing that game, then you are mistaken. Many have already benefited from these comment pages – and if I can stimulate the discourse, then well and good. It is all in the appearance of things, of course – but EVERYTHING is in the appearance – without exceptions.
What you truly are has NEVER appeared – re-discovering THAT is what THIS is all about. Once this has ‘happened’ there is no need to come here again.
It is a CAFE. No one lives in a CAFE.
Maybe I should remove my name and call myself ‘nobody’ or some other ‘name’ – ‘Sri Sri Claire de Plume’.
All of the ‘speakers’ on this site are all welcome to make comments. Few do. The one that did make a lot of comments was, it turned out, in my opinion, a ‘wanna be guru’ and even his program had to be removed eventually.
There is a freedom ‘here’ to move about – I can be very direct and uncompromising (without the ‘I’) and I can be playful and comical. ‘People’ get annoyed because they don’t know where I am coming from from one moment to the next.
The WHOLE point is WHERE ARE YOU COMING FROM?
Are you free of ‘YOU and ME’? Whatever trips the switch is totally Valid.
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*sniff* *sniff* I smell pain-bodies.
When do I get to be interviewed??? Hmm? I might have to join the Urban Guru Cafe Face-book site to get a chance.
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Oh, I guess I’m not good enough to get an interview, either.
Come on Eckhart! Lets blow this joint and go play leapfrog in the meadow. Face-book rejected my face.
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Oprah considers me to be a prophet. And Oprah is prior to Awareness.
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Hi Milton,
Frustrating isn’t it ? what to do ? Well, if the pointers of Gilbert, John Wheeler, Randall Friend does not bring you to a ‘full stop’, then what is one to do ? I assume this is what you are asking. There are glimpses but then your are back with the old patterns. I think the answer is right there in your question ” but then old habit patterns and a onslaught of problems appear and I re-identify with them”. Well, what helped me was to be ‘present ‘ and face these old patterns when they appear and taken as real, especialy the ones that were running my so-called life (you know, the ones that we suppress and avoid facing at all cost). We re-identify with them because we ‘believe’ them to be real. This is who we ‘think’ we are.
Yes, the ultimate answer is just seeing/knowing (full stop!) but you have tried this and yet the struggle and frustration is still there. Then, if so, investigate as to why this is so and what brings you back to this phenomenal world that sends you reeling.
Investigate these thoughts that keep you in bondage by being ‘present’ with them when they arise and see them for what they really are ‘just thoughts believed’. This is where true freedom lies.
Eventually, it will be seen that what sets you free is to be ‘in this world BUT not of it’ and what keeps you in bondage is to be ‘in this world AND of it’.
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There is no one, NO ONE, in bondage. The one who believes it is bound is only a thought.
A thought is an ephemeral appearance and the bondage is equally ephemeral.
It is nothing but appearances that are seemingly real for a believed in ‘me’.
There is NO WAY out of it for that believed in ‘entity’ – whatever name is placed on it, Eckhart, Adyashanti, Ramana, Gilbert or Joe Bloggs, the label is just a label.
The ‘pain body’ is just a conceptual fabrication. ‘People’ LOVE the concept because it allows them to continue on without being confronted by the fact that the me and this imaginary pain body are nothing but concepts and associated feelings in the body. All ephemeral appearances. To promote such concepts as a pain body or a future time of deliverance or liberation in the future, only gives the imagination lots ‘material’ to play with, to weave its story around. It is all about ME. Self-Pity is certainly not the way to go. Telling seekers that they have to DO something ‘in time’ is a monumental error and worthy only of one who HAS NOT seen through the concepts he promotes. No matter how spiritually pure his or her calculated image projection is – they are all whimpy puppy dogs, every one of them.
“KNOW the truth and the truth will set you free.” – quoting that young man from Nazareth again.
There is no ‘reason’ or ‘excuse’ for misleading anyone. There are no great sages or great teachers except in your own mind.
ALL of the so-called great teachers were ordinary beings who had SEEN THROUGH the appearance. Those who call them great have NOT seen through ‘the appearance’ or the concepts.
This clear and empty SEEING is happening with you right now, without the conceptual ‘you’ hindering the view. Why is it ignored?
This open view is ignored by the mind because it has NO labels for it.
When ‘you’ label this space like awareness with a ‘me’ or a ‘self-image’ it seemingly blocks the open view. What needs to be recognized is that EVERYTHING appears in this clear and open view. It is nothing but SEEING and seeing is KNOWING.
There is no NEED of TIME in THIS.
Drop the concepts and SEE.
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What needs to be recognized VERY Clearly is that everybody, EVERY-BODY and everything, EVERY THING, including the so-called great sage or guru or teacher is an appearance in THIS presence and THAT or THIS is what you ARE.
THIS is one without a second. You are THAT.
Don’t get caught up with words and terminology.
The word ‘THAT’ is an inert word, used precisely because it has No Flavors or Associations for the mind. It applies to all ‘things’. That bird, that chair, I want that sandwich, not that one. So, ‘THAT’ is universally particular without being particular at all. It has no particular associations for the mind.
What you are is indescribable, so words never encompass what you are.
Associations are seemingly linked concepts, words and ideas. Stimulate one and a whole bunch arise with it. An ‘attitude’ is similar. A ‘mood’ or ‘state’ is also similar.
Awareness, not ‘awareness of some thing’, just plain ordinary awareness is untouched by any thing, word or concept. It remains immaculately clear as pure seeing, is pure seeing and knowing.
Many say that it feels like coming home when this ‘clear view’ opens up.
Whatever comes and goes is not IT – yet IT has always been here.
Innately we know this – THIS.
Endless words don’t help much.
WHO can claim to be a liberator of ‘man’? No one was ever in bondage. They just think they are. A thought cannot bind anything and is an ephemeral appearance equal to no thing.
Note: You do not have to be clever or smart to realize what is being pointed out. In fact it helps a great deal if you are not a ‘bright spark’. Many bright sparks are still running around in circles pretending that they ‘got it’. It is a super joke to watch them in action. So, you don’t have to have a degree in philosophy (better not to) or be extra smart. If some text or spoken words stop the mind, then it is the ‘right direction to go’ – if they simply spur the intellect on and on into complexities of the mind, then it is not going to help much at all. Many get high on ‘chemical release’ in the brain, from indulging in complex conceptual postulations – eg, the Holographic universe concepts.
THIS, however, is so simple it is no wonder some crack into laughter when the transparency reveals itself.
What you are is invisible.
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Thanks for the response. Yes it is frustrating, but UGC has got me by the throat and won’t let go, no way out. Talking to UGC is like talking directly with presence awareness or whatever you want to call it. Amazing.
Moments of clarity are unaffected by confusion. However, when the “me” comes it seems like more than an idea in the seeing, it seems to superimpose itself entirely over the seeing, obscuring it for the moment (rather than an idea in the seeing it is a whole reality including thought, feeling, perception, sensation,etc). Even though I can see that the seeing was always there, in the “me moments” it seems to disappear, temporarily. Sometimes I see only the reflection in the mirror but not the mirror. Happens automatically, or so it seems.
Ralph, thanks for the tips on dealing with old patterns.
Gilbert, I like the moniker “Sri Sri Claire de Plume,” I vote for it if you are going to use one. If not, may I use, it if and when I become liberated, enlightened or whatever the appropriate term of the day? I ran across some of your words which have been helpful: “Psychological suffering is resistance to what is.” Spot on! I have a question: how to go about: “2. The mind must be understood, otherwise it will keep you turning on a dead spot.”
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Milton,
you say: “it seems to superimpose itself entirely over the seeing, obscuring it for the moment”
but how could the “me”-thought even be known were it not for the seeing?
you say you may use the Sri Sri Claire de Plume moniker when you become liberated/enlightened. but are you not AWARE already? or is awareness something you can become? you see my friend, you are liberation itself! so the time to use the Sri Sri claire de Plume moniker can only be NOW!
Love,
Guru Orgy
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Yes Gilbert, “There is no one, NO ONE, in bondage” but this must be SEEN.
By who ? …. by the one who ‘believes’ themselves to be in bondage. The ‘beliefs’ are what keeps the separate self in place.
and yes Gilbert, “The one who believes it is bound is only a thought” but the thought keeps reappearing ……. why?
Quote : â€The secret to life is die before you die–and to discover there is no death.â€
…… and yes, I know, there are no secrets to life.
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Make it your practice to withdraw attention from past and future whenever they are not needed. Be present as the watcher of your mind. Become aware of the inner energy field of the body. Don’t think about it – feel it.
Merge with the energy field so that there is no longer a perceived duality of the observer and the observed, of you and your body.
So use your inner body as a portal through which you enter the Unmanifested.
I’ll be back later with more instructions on what you can do to end the identification with the egoic mind.
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Gee Ralph. I notice that right after you post, Eckhart Tolle posts. I wonder if Eckhart is inspired by you or trying to top you?
You and Eckhart both seem to be saying the DOING something in time is NOT a monumental error, the other side of Gilbert’s golden coin.
Working in the mind, with the mind is something like the War of the Worlds. And the different worlds are different concepts. And they destroy each other until the last concept is left standing: I AM. And then that concept too sees that it is just a concept and spontaneously combusts leaving…. What?
This here now.
What never changes.
What can’t be calculated or explained.
The only thing you’ve always known and never been told.
Subtle and obvious shake hands.
Nothing disguised as everything.
Not-doing masquerading as doing.
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Dear Eckhart Tolle,
Thank you for your clear and compassionate pointing. You give us at least something we can think about! I have been meditating a lot on my painbody and I’m starting to get the impression I can really feel it ! Concerning the talk of Tony I was wondering if you have any instructions on how to get to the park he’s talking about?
thanks in advance !
best regards,
mark
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I tell you what, Mr. Tolle. If I ever meet you on the streets I’m going to give you a swift kick to the pain-balls.
Love,
Roger
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Gilbert,
Can one say that there is a messenger with a message that resonates.
Or, there is no messenger, no message, no resonating.
Alois
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Note: A concept CANNOT See OR Know anything. There is so much crap tossed around about ‘when this concept sees that concept etc.
There is only one seeing happening. Belief is not the actual. The me is a thought and includes associated thoughts of being able to do, see, hear and BE.
Look into that ‘place’ where seeing is happening (if you dare). Some have taken this advice and the whole house of matchsticks comes tumbling down.
You can say whatever you like. This intelligence energy is never split into two or more.
It appears as everything without dividing itself.
Eckhart can tell you to merge with that energy but it is impossible. There is no two-ness in THIS Energy. The Universe in an Open System – One Flow – Omni-Way.
What we talk about here is Non Duality. Language is dualistic. A one word sentence isn’t much good for discussions.
The word is not the REAL – it is not what is described.
Speaking in the relativity, at any moment, everything is as it is. So what? People believe that they have a choice. A teacher professes his ‘knowledge’ and students take notes.
The concept of a ‘Fallen Angel’ can give a spiritual aspirant a jolt and send shudders through the body. All that ‘work’ and to reach SO HIGH and then be dashed into the ‘dirt’.
Many talk about surrender and other such dualistic nonsense. It is all ballderdash, intellectual shite. How so many can swallow that indigestible crap is really remarkable.
The Mind is Time. What you are seeking is Timeless – so it wont be found ‘in the mind’.
All time appears in the timeless without dividing it.
I will make an exception right now. Here is an exercise.
Get an old wind up clock with a second hand or a loud tick-tock. Wind it up and sit looking at it or listening to the sound of the tick-tock. Set the alarm in this NOW for 30 minutes in the so-called ‘future’.
Now sit and listen, watch the clock. The second hand divides what? The sound divides what?
See if you can detect any division taking place in this ‘presence-awareness’ or in this famous ‘TIME’.
What is making the measurement? Where is the data point A or the data point B?
Each tick and each tock happens in the NOW.
The hands of the clock go around and around – repetition – seeming repetition. ‘When’ the alarm goes off, (if you get that far) it ‘goes off’ in ‘this now’.
The sound of the alarm appears in the silence, just as each tick and tock. Each seemingly separate sound returns to silence, just as each thought returns to the clear and empty mind.
Stay awake – and watch – listen. Cognition is not being divided. The mind (the me) will appear to not ‘like it’ at all, it will want to escape – it is resistance to what IS – it will not ‘like this’ because its hypnotic state of belief is being undermined or confronted. It, the belief in me’ appears to prefer to pretend to seek ‘awakening’ not BE the actuality of AWAKE.
Seeing is happening.
SEE – KNOW. At the core of all activities is the activity of knowing. Be that.
What reveals itself is the timeless – that is what you are.
What is on offer here is totally radical. It may appear that never before have you come so close – (in my own experience there appeared a long period of ‘time’ where I felt so frustratingly ‘close’) – but what is being pointed out to you NOW is that there is NO ‘close’ – there is NO SEPARATION – you are THAT (or THIS). It is the mind that tells a story about being close. Drop it.
These simple things are enough to dismantle belief in things that are NOT. In the appearance of things, few will take the plunge.
In actuality everyone is THAT (THIS) undivided presence.
Do not throw the clock out the window.
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In the last 7 or 8 years, I have been notified of being a LUCKY ONE, of having won hundreds of millions of dollars in various lotteries. At no point could I muster any belief in these notifications.
I hear tell that they actually take money out of your account – not give any.
The belief in the ‘me’ is similar. It robs you of SEEING what IS.
Yet as SOON as the belief is dropped, the SEEING is clearly unobstructed.
The fact is that this clear and unobstructed seeing is here ALL THE TIME.
Nothing actually EVER obscures awareness. It is only a story in the mind that suggests that there is some alienation happening.
There is NO separation. Period.
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Eckhart, somehow your pointing feeds the “me”. Where is the watcher? Is there a watcher apart from watching? Isn’t watching happening without the watcher? Confusion here….
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The watcher or witness is a provisional insight based on the obviousness that there is a transparent seeing happening – that seeing objectifies all, including the world, the body and the mind or thoughts. That seeing is pure subjectivity – what the word “I” actually refers to, what we really mean by “I”.
This seems to be where the confusion is – we know THAT we are – we know this “I” intimately – only the “I” is conceptually mixed up with the body-mind. It is this concept that seemingly creates the “person” AS belief only.
It is believed that the body-mind is the source of the subjectivity until it’s investigated, pointed out, seen clearly that even the body and mind appear TO you. Then it’s no longer conceptual, it’s direct experience, direct knowledge beyond concepts, silent “understanding”. That primary seeing or activity of knowing is self-evident, only overlooked in preference for objective experience.
You are the seeing, not the body-mind or “person” which is believed to be the “seer”. The body-mind and concept of “person” appears as passing content to the stable, unchanging seeing or awareness or Consciousness.
Isn’t this already obvious if we just look?
Then it may become clear, as that primacy of Consciousness is no longer conceptual but is known directly as the most intimate aspect of ANY experience, that any object appearing cannot appear without that seeing – in fact it actually IS the seeing, just as the reflection IS the mirror. The object only seems to be separate of the seeing due to a subtle belief in separation.
Standing upon that platform of belief, nonduality will never make sense. The very platform itself must be examined and discarded as only an assumption. Nonduality doesn’t mean forcibly re-fitting that which has become separated. Nonduality means that there IS NO separation, period.
Right this moment, without any resolution to the search, without having to understand anything, without any special spiritual states, actual direct experience is nondual. Right now. THIS is One. Actual experience right this very moment contains NO boundaries between a “seer” and “seen”. Actual experience right this very moment contains no subject and no object – this equation is entirely conceptual already. Investigate that concept, see that everything you take to be real comes from this solidified belief that is quite obviously false. Once the false platform dissolves as a concept, nondual reality is revealed as simply no big deal and already the case, already and always actual experience.
Life experiencing itself.
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FYI – the comments by Eckhart Tolle and Adyarshanti as made by someone other than who he says he is. But isn’t that the case all the time.
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What happens if you ask the question:
“Who are you… NOW?” When you don’t go looking in the mind for an answer. You must know who you are NOW. Since you are that functioning actuality right now. It’s the flame not the candle. It’s the burning comet not the trail of byegone ideas. And what do you find? Everything and Nothing! You already are that pure functioning self when you don’t go looking for something beyond ‘ordinary’ awareness.
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‘WHO’ is always connected to a story about ‘who’. What ‘who’ can there be without a story?
‘Who’ is far too associated with stories about who I am, to be all that clear a word.
Therefore I say “Who am I”? is not so useful. I suggest the question “What am I”?
You are without any doubt, this immediate experiencing – without any substance named as a ‘who’ actually being there in that clear space of knowing.
Someone wrote and asked me to express something about identity. So……..
This immediate knowing is not divided by time. Identity is time based and requires some ‘substance’ to be the identity.
All apparent substance is ‘matter’ and matter appears with duration (time) otherwise it would not be apprehensible.
What I am is timeless and without dimension. Zero degrees of separation is zero dimension.
The first dimension is a point. An infinite number of points laying next to each other (a line) is the first dimension. An infinite number of lines laying next to each other is the second dimension – a plane. An infinite number of planes laying next to each other is the third dimension – a cube.
The forth dimension is debatable and appears to us as the movement of ‘bodies’ in space and this we call ‘time’.
All of these dimensions are appearing in the seeing. The seeing has no dimension at all. It is transcendental to these mentioned dimensions.
Where are you seeing from?
Isn’t is clear and empty. No point with any substance is present in that seeing. This clear evidence is stunningly clear and obvious, yet few recognize it.
The ‘seeker’ is a seeming substance and this ‘substance’ is being referred to constantly as ‘what I am’. Therefore the open view is seemingly obscured.
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Without a story! – Everything is ‘Pointless’! But, isn’t this the ‘Whole Point’?
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pointless as opposed to purposefull. What purpose could there be? A purpose is far to limited for this exuberance which is this fullness/emptiness. Out of sheer abbundance this Universe exists for no reason whatsoever. It is NOT pointless, that’s a story. It IS because it has to BE !
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‘Pointless’ in the sense of ‘Orientation-less’ or ‘Reference-less’ and naturally ‘Meaningless’ without a story.u know what i mean:)
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What about Tony’s interview 2? what carrot does he dangle this time?
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hmm…. what is the point ? what purpose could there be ?
the answer to these questions could be endless and still no answer in sight.
perhaps a better question to ask is why am I not free ? what keeps me in bondage ?
the answer to these questions, if done in earnestness, will astound you.
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Please consider inviting to the UGC and interviewing the man who wrote these words !:
“Before Abraham came into existence ‘I Am’. “I Am” once again, the simple “I Am” stands before us in all its mystery, though now defined in contrast to Abraham’s “coming into existence”. Jesus’ “I Am” stand in contrast to the world of birth and death, the world of coming into being and passing away. We have here a clear statement of Jesus’ claim to a totally unique way of being which transcends human categories” – Pope Benedict XVI
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Hi Ralph I can imagine how astounded you were when you discovered how much work needs to be done by ‘me’ to free ‘me’ from those ever-present personal thoughts with no end in sight, but to face all those ‘old’ habbit patterns until … until what really?….
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Thank you Gilbert for your precise pointing here…!!
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Note to previous comment, no man ever wrote those words.
Space and time appear on awareness.
Within this space, points, lines and planes, apparent solid objects seemingly stationary and moving appear.
In the ‘place’ where all these things are appearing (in the SEEING0 there is nothing at all that can be perceived.
There is only one knowing, one seeing, one awareness, one consciousness, one uninterrupted pure duration.
This is NOT hidden from anyone. It is the most obvious factor and yet it is totally impossible to grasp it with a concept. I can weave words around it and ‘point’ at it – YET the apprehension, the recognition, springs forth from that empty space of knowing without notice.
Wisdom is not a mind construction. It is a Well without bottom or end.
It is not contained in the mind.
The Sign Post will fall over and no one will be able to re-erect it correctly unless they have found their true nature. The true compassion is to share some simple pointing for those who appear to be lost. It is extremely simple to recognize this true nature – but the mind is complex and hard headed.
These programs are a wealth of ‘pointing’. Already many have been ‘pointed’ in the ‘right direction’. Each one must align themselves with the ‘pointing’ in the most intimate way.
The HEART of the recognition is COGNITION (Seeing-Knowing).
The ‘power’ of cognition is ‘seemingly’ increased with a little clear direction from one who knows – one speaking from beyond the mind.
This GIFT is freely offered. The takers are few – yet the potential is here for everyone.
If the recognition is not happening for you….then WHAT is it that stands in the way?
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In allignment of previous post it is seen that “the one ‘who’ knows” is just an appearance appearing in and as THAT boundlessness. A pattern which is not aware yet not separate from non-conceptual awareness. Just a concept arising without any separate existence … an apparent movement in a rest.
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Correct. All the patterns are suffused with knowing – they ARE knowing but NOT as anything separate. The patterns know nothing ‘of themselves’.
There is ONLY one Knowing happening. Just as there is ONLY one Seeing happening. Same, same.
THIS is so utterly profound it will stop the mind dead in its habitual tracks.
SEEING this without any need of being a ‘seer’ is what is required.
This is impossible to contrive. The mind has no interest in this.
The impulse arises spontaneously from pure being.
Everyone seems to get caught on this idea of enlightened beings.
‘Beings’ is plural.
‘Being’ is Singular.
What we are talking about is Non Duality.
The WHOLE is enlightened and there is NO SEPARATION.
So, what you truly ARE MUST be THAT.
‘When’ the mind stops engaging with thought – SEEING-KNOWING remain immaculately present.
The mind seemingly divides THIS ‘unicity’ – it can’t do anything but divide and compare, name and label.
It is only the habit of ‘me’ (mind) that will try to contradict this Obviousness, this peace of natural unity.
It’s pathetic mind game is nothing but habit. Break it. Cease from believing in what the mind is telling ‘you’.
The mind has no power to delude the pure awareness which is totally available right now.
Belief is the scoundrel – but it loses its seeming power once it is seen clearly.
Seeing is happening right now.
So what is it that stands in the way?
It can only be belief in ‘me’. It is a mirage.
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No prisoners are taken here. No one is held captive for years of waiting for deliverance.
No teasing out some special knowledge and no favoritism. No crawling, squirming seekers are allowed to enter the ‘temple’. Everyone is ‘beheaded’ without exception. No kid gloves are employed here. No torture and no service to the guru will be allowed.
The ‘golden calf’ has been melted back into pure gold. No worship of anyone is tolerated.
False gurus will be served up as ‘meat pies’ on Sunday afternoons. Tomato ketchup will be supplied to give the pies at least some flavor. Anyone without a sense of humor will be tickled until they at least utter a faint giggle.
Where are the brave ones to make some comments? What are you afraid of?
Someone may recognized ‘who’ you are? Do you know who you are yourself?
No contracts will be drawn up.
THIS moment is fresh and new. It has never happened before. It will never happen again.
Liberation? Who needs it?
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This site, relentlessly, repeatedly and constantly pounding the one simple reality is important to the overworked, naturally hyperactive rattlings of a brain and so-called seeker such as me. By reading here, it enables me to “give it a rest” for just a moment or two every once in awhile and maybe even loose the me for short periods. Thanks! I have been lucky to have met Bob Adamson, Gilbert, John Wheeler, Areti and a few others for a brief time on a recent visit to Australia. All have, what appeared to me, to be “normal” and ordinary outer personalities. However, their underlying oneness and huge scope was obvious in the unselfish time and effort spent with me in sharing of the same truth expressed from slightly different perspectives. As personalities, they had nothing to gain in doing this. That was refreshing and has kept this personality listening, because I am naturally the type looking for the “catch” in everything. Staying objective about the subjective (!) on this site is important, I think.
P.S. Gilbert…your tough. Don’t soften. And you seemed like such a nice guy when I met you! Wished I had the opportunity to hear you play and sing, though, like I did with John.
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Yes, ordinary is the KEY. Everyone goes looking for the extra-ordinary. There are plenty around who will offer that and get you to pay heavily for it too. Pity it never pays off.
Plenty of long term devotees of these gurus pretend that it has paid off and they set up shop as a teacher or guru, to recoup their loses.
Gilbert isn’t tough at all, he’s a pussy cat. REALITY is what is tough.
Was is Socrates who took too long to ‘get it’ because his teacher’s wife was too kind to him? Anyway, this isn’t about pampering any spiritual self-images. Far from it.
I had that crap beaten out of me one way or another. There is no nice way to deliver the message. There are thousands of ways to deliver false information in the guise of ‘truth’.
This website is rather unique because it is packed with hundreds of clear pointers.
There is no one here pushing themselves as gurus or whatever. Those chaps don’t get past the front gate.
I know for certain that many are actually ‘hearing’ what is on offer. Many emails come in and from what is said it is obvious that there is a strong resonance happening with not just a few. I say it is a very welcome thing to see happening. THIS is not for ‘the select FEW’.
Far too many gurus have played the elite club game. ‘People’ are better off putting all their money in a slot machine – at least there is a slim chance of a payout.
ANYWAY…have you had enough yet? Want MORE programs? How many do you need?
There is another one or two coming. So relax.
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This knowing presence is enough…the ordinary is enough…what needs an energetic shift? What would be gained by that? Some look for a pleasant experience but that is just an other passing appearance…one or two programs won’t add nothing to that, perhaps more confusion! – but why not?:-)
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Gilbert,
You ask for comments etc……… revealing oneself as not knowing is the same as saying I got it… Both equally false as the “oneself” who never was.
You and the UGC have seemingly helped clear some of the debris… The Neti Neti is more appearant , as is THIS. Whenever there is pause, even for a brief moment (in time) the whole world, universe, IT…rushes in to fill all seeming space. That’s as best as can be described.
The interest here these days is the “normal” and Full life that shows up here when the eyes open. As I have said… Here and Now is Soooo much more simple than How and Why?? Just Chillin in that`
Warmly,
Mark
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Consciousness is affected but not harmed. It is the nature of aware consciousness to be affected by everything it experiences. Every color and sound, every event and experience, and every passing thought or feeling affects your consciousness. That is why we call it consciousness. And yet consciousness is not harmed by anything. That is its nature, that it cannot be harmed. The form of anything can be permanently changed or harmed. Your body can be harmed, but the consciousness that inhabits your body cannot be harmed. There is nothing that can harm you. No one and nothing has ever harmed you. This is not to say that consciousness is not affected deeply by both the good and bad things that happen to us. Every hurtful and unkind act leaves an impression in the consciousness of those involved. It is just that the impression does not permanently limit or damage the awareness of those involved. If something has an effect on us that is permanent, then it could be said that it has harmed us. But if the effect is temporary, then what is the ultimate harm? Everything that profoundly affects our awareness, from the painful to the tragic, eventually passes. It is the miracle of our consciousness that it can heal from any wound, even if our body cannot.
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…… just a comment:
There are alot of ‘pointers’ here that aim to describe the indescribable but very little spoken here on how to end the psychological suffering.
Yes, there is no ‘separate self’ so ‘who’ is there to suffer but this direct pointer will not do it for most so-called seekers, don’t you think?
….. maybe your next one or two programs will touch on this or maybe not ?
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Sangita, could you please explain in simpler terms? Many Thanks…
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Hi Dorothy Hoffman,
A simple question to ask is, What effect does this experience have on my eternal soul? And while everything leaves an impression on your awareness and ultimately your soul, nothing can ever permanently harm your soul, your true nature as empty awareness. In fact, every experience enriches your soul. Every moment adds to the depth and richness of your deepest knowing. We sense this in people who have faced a lot of difficulty in life and who are willing to accept their fate. There is a depth and wisdom that only comes from a wide range of experience, including painful and unwanted experiences.
This willingness to meet and have any experience can come from the simple recognition that what you are is open spacious awareness. Your body, mind, personality, emotions and desires all appear within that awareness, but they are not you, and the real you cannot be harmed.
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Dorthy,
In other words>
Everything that arises……. Falls away>
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Ralph,
It seems as if you are determined to SUFFER! Maybe the direct pointers are not working for you because you believe there is something more to DO or GET.
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Thanks Sangita, just the words are confusing. What is the soul? If my true nature is empty awareness, then how can it be enriched? Sorry, but this is creating more confusion…please don’t mind me. It’s just easier for me when all words and their meanings are dropped…simply disengaging from thought; sometimes it happens at other times not….but thanks for trying to explain…
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Dorothy, just consider that what you are is eternal aware space or consciousness. You have a body, but you are not that body. So, while your body can be permanently harmed just like your car or your camera can be harmed, you as consciousness eventually heal or recover from all of the experiences that affect you. Even if the affect lasts for lifetimes, eventually the karma or debt is released. From the perspective of something eternal, even many lifetimes is not that long.
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Words and their meanings……. Who drops them?
Disengagement from thought… Who does this?
Where does the confusion “take place”?
As long as there is a perceived “me”, ask these questions relentlessly>
The mind eventually (it seems) gets exhausted when constantly given questions that can’t be answered…. in truth. Again…. Stay with what is (Yea, who? stays? right?)
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Oh dear…..dear….dear.
I think that something that Ramana is reported to have said, demonstrates the crux of ‘our’ dilemma. I will paraphrase it, from memory, as close as I can:
“You ARE the Infinite BEING.
Then you take yourself to be a limited creature.
Then you create (imagine) methods and practices in order to free yourself from these limitations.
But HOW can these methods and practices bring any freedom so long as they IMPLY those limitations?” – end of quote.
It is worded slightly differently I am sure but the gist of it is there.
All of your limitations are imaginary.
Everyone is THAT ONE. Or more correctly put – ONE is every-one, without exception.
There is no ‘relationship’ that arises in that ONE. How could there be?
Relationship requires TWO.
There is no TWO in Non Duality – even by its definition.
So, the problem is in dualistic mind.
LOOK into the mirror like nature of ‘your own mind’ and SEE that there is no separate entity there.
ALL of the doubts and questions will dissolve in that SEEING.
‘You’ as that believed in ‘self’ have NO choice – and yet, that essence of the ONE contains ALL potentialities.
Where is your potentiality RIGHT NOW? Stop squirming and BE what you ARE.
Stop going into the habitual mind looking for an answer – there is no answer in the mind.
Teachers and gurus are a dime a dozen but the rare one who is open to hear the message is truly rare.
This ‘stuff’ expressed here only ruffles the feathers of the ‘many’, keeps them awake at night and it is like sand in their knickers.
In ONE Instant of SEEING – what needs to be seen is seen.
The SEEING has never not been available and IS ‘happening’.
It is the believed in ‘entity’ that puts up every conceivable obstacle in the view.
It is made of belief.
Nothing can exist without energy.
SO CUT OFF its supply.
CEASE from believing in it. SEE it for what it is.
BE what you ARE – as Ramana points out: “You ARE the INFINITE BEING”
- You are NOT this limited being that imagination has seemingly created.
What SHOCK is needed to bring you to THIS immediacy so this will be recognized?
Cosmic Consciousness is not altered by any movement or imagined limitation. Your ‘self-importance’ is the problem.
‘You’ are nothing but the constant referencing of every experience to a fictional character ‘me’. All of that stuff is NOTHING but a story.
STOP the story and SEE. Only the mind asks ‘Who is going to stop thought?’
WHEN will you cease to pretend to be what you are not?
All your friends may pamper your self-image due to an unspoken deal – “You scratch my back and I will scratch yours” or “I wont tell the truth about YOU, so long as you don’t tell the truth about ME”. It is all dualistic nonsense and what is more – you know it is. Prior to thinking it through.
‘People’ pay gurus, over the decades, thousands upon thousands of dollars to ‘make this happen’ for them.
The IRONY is – the introduction to your own true nature is ‘instantaneous’. It does NOT require TIME. It is totally FREE.
True Compassion is to POINT DIRECTLY in this immediacy. A hand coming out, asking for PAYMENT prior to the message being delivered is the scoundrel.
Foolishly ‘people’ pay amounts like $165 for one sitting, WHY? – Just so that they can embellish and embroider their ‘spiritual self-image’ and have something new to talk about with their facade loving friends?
I say piss it all off. All of it. It is nothing but crap and it WILL keep you bound into endless time. Offering you an image of being a ‘pain body’ is the most insidious gift I have ever heard of. Only someone brought up on Grimm Fairy Tales could come up with such a grim and gruesome tale. If you want LIFESTYLE then please go to any of the Lotus bearing websites, because there will be no peace of mind found HERE. ( nor there either).
P.S. ONLY a true friend will tell you what you need to hear.
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Now, now. Lets not get too carried away. Here at the Urban Anti-Guru Cafe the dogma of Direct Pointing is the one and only approach to Truth. Nevermind that “nonduality” points to all-inclusiveness and no separation. If other ideas fill your head just remind yourself, THERE IS NO [fill in the blank].
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Karma, soul, lifetimes…oh dear, not those ‘old’ new age bullshits here please!
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Hi Sully,
Its not that I am determined to SUFFER but instead to acknowledge that suffering is still there. It appears that ‘direct pointing’ alone is not enough for psychological suffering to come to a full stop , instantly. That’s all I’m saying.
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Make a cup of coffee…toast up a piece of bread and put some honey on it! Sit in front of the television and watch old Seinfield episodes…and have a good laugh!
That is it!
That is pure and immaculate cognition. Nothing fancy! The intelligence makes, toasts, sits, watches and laughs. (That should be enough to make the restless mind come to a dead stop!)
‘You’ do nothing. The imagined entity does nothing.
Whatever ‘you’ are doing right now is pure cognition…there is only cognition…there is only intelligence.
The intelligence is the appearance…the appearance is the intelligence…they are not separate. The appearance does not obscure the intelligence. The appearance could not appear without the intelligence.
The intelligence is so smart it even manifests thinking to accompany the appearing body. That appearing body then thinks it makes, toasts, sits, watches and laughs!
Intelligence just playing…
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Good one …
“Here at the Urban Anti-Guru Cafe the dogma of Direct Pointing is the one and only approach to Truth”.
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It seems as if time passes and in that “movement” the body/mind goes about doing stuff, either completely lost or engaged IN the “movement” called doing.
Watching a movie, playing my guitar, sex…. ya know what I mean…
Then all of a sudden *Bang* some thing shows up in that space of movement or flowing sensation and somehow “claims ownership” …. I am doing this, doing it really well in fact, did it better yesterday though, and on and on.
Scenario: A teaching that i paid good money for called “A weekend of presence”, playing itself out… OK~
I am paying close attention (being present>lol), washing the plate…. warm water… smell of soap… “Trying” to be in the moment>< meanwhile somewhere in the background giving myself credit for my active participation in my journey toward wholeness, enlightenment and so on.
Drifting away from that, the hands keep scrubbing and the mind goes into a tree of thought….this that…bla bla. Then the attention comes back to the “movement” that is happening in front of me… thoughts of… Shi^* I wasn’t being present, got lost in thought again…. gotta get back to this moment..and so on.. AKA “Working Toward Enlightenment”.
Somehow hours go by completely engaged in whatever is happening… Not “it should be different”, not “am I doing it right etc. Then the reviewer seems to enter the stage and analyze, make progress reports based on , well, the “Teaching” and conditioning and crap like that…. all of a sudden ‘I’ am again “Trying” to be what ‘I’ have heard or read is the Way to be in order to get something in the future.
It’s like a hamster in a wheel, playing out the same scenario in different ways.
But there is something watching ( I can FEEL it back there) all of this happen whether ‘I’ am aware of it or not and it just seems to not make any difference which “movement’ is playing itself out anymore. It’s like I’m here whether i know it or not. A sense of what can (not accurately) be termed “well being” or “faith” or Trust”….or maybe nothing left to gain or loose seems to permeate the atmosphere and life just keeps unfolding.
Lots of squigglys~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Honestly, “who” cares? If people want to spend $165 to listen to some asshole spew spiritual bullshit, “who” gives a damn? People fork over money for all kinds of stupid crap. We go to concerts and sporting events to watch people moan into microphones or throw a ball back and forth across a field for several hours. Spirituality is no less entertaining and no more meaningless than anything else. Why take up arms against these guys? Especially when the whole message of non-duality is about oneness, inclusiveness, non-separation, etc. Rejecting other people’s ideas over and over again, labeling them “dualistic,” getting caught up in the most correct expressions of something that is ultimately beyond expression–how is that not “dualistic”?
“Who” is it that has a problem with these alternative viewpoints and expressions? “Who” is it that scoffs at those who “embellish and embroider their spiritual self-images?” Could it be the “one who knows”?
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Perspective is another beautiful appearance manifested by the intelligence…and the perspectives are endless…
Yet if ‘we’ look FROM our true nature and not FOR our true nature (Randell Friend’s words in one of the posts above) it is seen that all perspectives arise in the intelligence.
All perspectives, including the body… and the mind which darts all over the place like a monkey in a tree jumping from one banana to the next…are simply content appearing as the intelligence… but not separate from the intelligence.
Dare I say it! There is no duality in non duality.
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In SEEING that there is no ‘me’ here…….one knows beyond doubt that there is no ‘me’ anywhere. The sword cuts both ways my friend. You say who cares? and then particularize about someone scoffing. It is ALL in the appearance.
Some comments are addressed to the believed in ‘me’. There is plenty of direct pointing going on here on the site – particularly in the programs.
The ‘entity’ does not have the capacity to know anything but it believes it does, so it seems. It needs to be questioned.
That ‘me’ is a seeming ‘agent’ for what? – for whom?
We can stir up the bucket of water as vigorously as we wish. If we leave it alone it will return to stillness. The water never changes its basic nature.
You can put your finger in a glass of water and then remove the finger. A few ripples soon settle down. What impression is left of that depression?
The believed in ‘me’ leaves a seeming depression in consciousness ONLY because it is believed in.
‘Smaskaras’ (the sanskrit word for past impressions) are only memories arising in the present. If they are not engaged with or believed in they just appear and disappear.
Who knows what may turn someone around to really look. Just because you refuse to do it or imagine that you have ‘already done it’, is no reason to accuse anyone of anything.
WHO has a problem? If you truly don’t have a problem then the direct pointing isn’t going to be of assistance.
And Seinfield (field of sein or sin) can give relief from the sad story of ‘me’……and Jewish comedians and comedy writers are very good at it.
Well, keep stirring that bucket.
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Well, let’s face it, all this stuff is just happening–just as this post is happening right now.It is all the same kind of stuff–spontaneous…what? Quien sabe?
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That’s right! Everything is happening right now! Except… me winning the lottery!
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Nothing can happen anywhere else than right now. The mind is TIME.
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in spite of the silly anti-guru diatribes, The Urban Guru Cafe is a really cool, innovative site, and the podcasts are beautifully done. Hats off to no one.
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Diatribes – and where is the taste of that bitter, abusive denunciation tasted?
‘Who’ perceives someone denouncing gurus? The world is full of all sorts of crap, so it seems, but do we have to have a sterile website where only the pure expression abides? Impossible.
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I really don’t care who you denounce. I’m just pointing out to you how incredibly idiotic it looks to set up a dichotomy of “Me” (the one who knows) vs “Them” (those who pretend to know) on a website that is all about exposing the illusion of a “me” and a “them” who know anything at all.
But maybe you already realize this and just don’t care? Maybe ’cause there’s no one there to care? I dunno. It’s whatever man. Do your thing.
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Have an honest look at direct experience. Forget the concepts and just look at what you know beyond doubt.
This “person” has seemingly come about “after you woke up”. We call this the “waking state”. It came about. Something had to be there prior to.
This character, this “person” appears IN this “waking state”, that which comes about and passes. In direct experience, doesn’t this character appear WITH this state? Doesn’t this “person” arrive with the state?
What knows this passing state? Can the character, which disappears along with the state itself, know of the passing?
This character or “person” appears in the “dream state”, also another state which comes about and passes. What knows this passing state? Can the dream character, which disappears along with the dream, know of it’s passing?
Does the dream “character” know it’s in a dream? Does this “waking state” character realize it’s also in a passing dream?
Something remains aware during the passing of the very states in which the “person” appears. Isn’t this direct and obvious experience? Hasn’t this simply been overlooked, ignored or basically conceptualized as that “person” moving through states? Nonsense!
Stay with direct experience, with what you know for certain. You see these states come and go – something remains to know “I slept”. How do you know?
What is present to know the dream? What is the principle that is SEEING anything in a dream? Can a dream character see? Is the dream character having actual functioning senses? Does the dream character have a little dream brain functioning and “generating awareness”? Wouldn’t it have to, in order for the conceptual to actually fit Reality?
Isn’t the ME a learned concept?
That same PRESENCE is aware of the “waking state” right now. It is a superimposition of concepts which creates the idea of a “person” – yet this Presence isn’t hidden, not obscured… that Presence is SEEING right this very moment, the seeing in vision, the knowing in touching, the awareness in tasting, the consciousness behind the hearing.
Something is SEEING right this moment. That seeing isn’t being “done by you”. That seeing is the space in which the “person” appears. That seeing is the condition necessary for any sensation or perception to arise. That SEEING right now is the same seeing that witnesses the passing of the waking and dream states. Is it not? Take a look.
We are incorrectly trying to force-fit conceptual awareness onto something that isn’t conceptual. This pure seeing cannot be conceptualized yet is undeniable if we just look, if we don’t ignore direct experience, if we don’t conceptualize what we know into what we think we know.
As the “waking state” dissolves, what remains aware, to receive the “dream state”?
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…and as the “dream state” dissolves, what remains aware to receive the “sleep state” in which there is no idea of a person or experience?
The same Principle that receives the “waking state” and the “dream state”… except there is no sensation or perception arising during the “sleep state”.
If there is nothing in front of the mirror…nothing is reflected…except empty space.
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These squiggles on a screen amount to ziltch.
The bottom line is that throughout this vast expansive appearance called the universe there is not even one ‘entity’ anywhere. It is all appearances within a single scope.
Until this is recognized then any ‘means’ to ‘bring about’ that recognition is valid. If the ‘machine’ is massage well enough and pummeled from all sides, who knows? Something my just click.
Everyone is a unique expression of THAT. ‘We’ have all manner of ‘people’ looking at this site. Yes, it is all in the appearance. Do we have to keep going back to basics every second line? The direct pointing is here for those who can ‘receive it’. The most direct and profound pointing usually goes over everyones heads. You must admit it is better than reading the Newspaper, isn’t it? Maybe not. I can easily stay quiet and do other stuff instead. Or you could go do something else yourself. What are you looking for anyway?
No need to answer this. warm regards – Gilbert.
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“Do we have to keep going back to basics every second line?”
No certainly not , on the contrary it would be nice to have a session about the embodiment over time of the consciousness that inhabits our body. To let it settle and deepen. I think it would be very helpful for people who after hearing this message still suffer, like Ralph for instance. Otherwise the seeing just remains as a glimpse which after passing only makes us more aware of our neurotic nature then that it liberates us.
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There is NO embodiment. NO deeper. Consciousness does NOT inhabit the body – it IS the body. All these ‘ghost in the machine’ concepts are misleading.
EVERYTHING appears in the SEEING – in the AWARENESS.
The multiplicity is an appearance in the SINGULAR Presence.
It is ALL THAT – One without a second.
Call it Allah or God or Self or Buddha Nature or whatever you wish to call it.
The WORD is not IT.
The label you place on that immediate space of knowing (where you appear to be) is only a label – it is mind and mind is time.
No label sticks to the timeless.
The pure cognition is untouched. Billions of sufferers can weep and moan but nothing touches the ‘Knowing’ – The knowing is the first instant, the only instant – it is the unmoving ‘background’ that remains present, no matter what. It is here as the eyes scan these words. The mind registers the words instantly and everything is understood until something grinds up against a belief. The mind says ‘NO’, this is not correct, etc.
Without the KNOWING, none of this activity can be known at all.
Do not speak of the suffering of another by name. You have no evidence of the suffering of another. Speak of your own neurosis and suffering, if you can. Maybe you pretend not to have any. Your understanding is clearly muddied by concepts about embodiment and deepening and they are all concepts without any true and clear evidence.
They are nothing but concepts. Where is this deeper? Where is this embodiment?
You have to talk about them and conjure up images in the mind. Recognize this.
Then we can communicate far more efficiently.
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G- I’ll concur and say that this is better than reading the newspaper. Please keep the site running; only stop trying to top John & Randall with your posts (just kidding!)
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Thanks Jimbo. I have not read a Newspaper in ten years, apart from a quick glance here and there. Maybe we should start a Urban Guru News-limited. Pity these multimillionaires are not interested in ‘this stuff’. Anyway I will give it some ‘thought’ – maybe a PDF Newspaper that is down-load-able. I used to make one with some friends years ago called ‘The Shite Times’ – it was hilarious and would have people flipping between fits of anguish and laughter. I will see if I can find one of them and I will email it to you. I know you would enjoy it for sure. The puritans would have a seizure. Poor poor pitiful ‘me’.
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Just can’t help but love Tony, as well Gilbert, Bob, all the participants here … appreciating the endless wonder of this variety … ALL the clear and clouded pointed and un-pointed expressions of that One Essence … Being Is, who cannot “recognize” this?
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Thank you Gilbertji! I feel these pointers are starting up a dialogue with the chakra’s of my painbody ! Haleluja !
Nameste,
Djihi Sangita
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Strange, how we must have the last word in order to feel special; this false sense of self importance is somehow so important that in order to maintain it we are ready to live in a world of concepts; after all, the known hell is better than unknown. We feel that we have the answer (in form of fancy sounding words / concepts) but, is the answer it? What remains at the pause of a thought? Can that be deepened? It can only be recognized….anything added to that can only be a concept.
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Awareness !;-)
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The in breath is not the out breath. The out breath is not the in breath. They are distinctly different. They exist together. You cannot breath in without breathing out – each has its natural limit. Breathing exercises only alter the state of mind – they do not touch awareness.
There is the smallest gap between these apparently separate movements called in breath and out breath.
All of it is contained in breath-ING. Breathing is the function-ING. Nothing is divided. Everything is awareness appearing as this and that.
The cycle of life, like the rainbow contains all the shades of colors. Yet the rainbow has no substance or location of its own.
It is ALL Light.
It is ALL Presence……undivided by anything……not even time.
All words are vibrations. Vibration is energy. Energy is light. Light is love.
You love to be. And you ARE. What ‘more’ do you want?
You can love it or hate it – what difference does it make? It is only thought that ‘creates’ a problem with LIFE.
LIFE isn’t interested one way or the other. Finicky little creatures play with their preferences and opinions and build castles in the sky.
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Is there a second part to the interview?
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No, there is no second part. It was fun though, wasn’t it.
We may do another interview but I think Tony got across everything he is on about in this program. You can watch lots of videos of him in action on the net and he has DVD’s you can purchase. You can’t help liking the man. I guess the secret is out in the open now.
But ‘seekers’ keep seeking because they don’t HEAR the message. Listen again, if that is what it takes. It is the same message hammered at over and over.
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