The mind is in expectation so often, it covers the unexpected which is already HERE – it is just not recognized – yet the mind seeks for it in the mind – and it isn’t IN the mind content.

Just wanted to repeat that to myself~~ Soooo subtle this pinpoint As eternity~

Is time slowing down for anyone, stopping even, as if time is melting into itself, forward and backward and in every direction…… ? Yes, I am sober>>lol

I went back through the UGC archives and was taken aback at Just the comment page growth….. As few as 3 comments Total AND this month sets the record.
Plus we have no idea how many “nutters” get deleted (like Me’s)… simply RADICAL.

Since I don’t know what my next thought is going to be, I just Can’t “look forward” to phase 2, as if anymore is required after Gilbert and many other’s
Surgically Precise Pointing. AND Areti…. Bravo Dear~!~!~!

I wonder at times if you have a life at all, you spend so much of your time responding to comments etc. Often burning the candle at both ends of the day.

You are a karma yogi. This is service to all beings.

Have you considered letting the comments go to preserve your sanity and just focussing on the talks?

Of course we know there is no you or your but we have to communicate somehow.
many thanks….

As I say “It sinks in”. It isn’t all in the words.
The resistance to ‘what is’ is the idea of being separate. When that idea is absent, the message ‘sinks in’. First as brief moments. The clear space of knowing ‘appears’ to widen and the ‘open view’ reveals that it was always HERE….NOW.
As I say repeatedly -SEEING is happening. In that clear seeing, gratitude arises from the relief that is obviously present.
Grasping consciousness loses its hold. Don’t invite it back. It is an unwanted guest.

Oh, I get it… the way is beyond blah.. blah… blah…

I have an idea, tomorrow night during ‘Earth Hour’, in addition to turning out the lights, we all should ‘stop talking’ for one hour and experience our true nature..
(Editor – ‘Ralph’ can’t stop talking – he is the talking)

The ‘seer’ along with the ‘seen’ are ‘appearances’ in the SEEING.
Seeing is the pure function.
The seer and the seen are content.
No one will BELIEVE this.
It reveals itself unexpectedly and it is a ‘decisive ACT of Intelligence’.
The mind is in expectation so often, it covers the unexpected which is already HERE – it is just not recognized – yet the mind seeks for it in the mind – and it isn’t IN the mind content.

No one EVER contrived or made THIS act happen (or anything happen).
In the SEEING, everything is an appearance – EVERYTHING.
The most subtle movement in the mind is an appearance.
Spiritual reputations are bullshit stories.
There is no one.
Take another look at your Guru with eyes wide open.

Only when you KNOW what you are, can you KNOW what everything is.
There is NO problem – but this MUST be recognized – not just conceptualized.

What is on offer here is totally radical and totally ordinary.

It is like a Golf Course with 10 thousand holes. But you don’t even have to put the ball on one T or take one swing at the ball to score ‘an Eagle’.
Stop playing mind games and SEE.

Do NOT believe in stories of not being able to do anything, impotency.
The KEY is obviously present – it is just overlooked via belief in being ‘someone looking’.

The SEEING is happening.
UN-interrupted SEEING.

P.S. This pointing is taking its tole. Many ARE recognizing their true nature. This is obviously happening and the clear evidence via responses (not necessarily on this comment page) come in. The ‘days of sitting for decades’ in a guru’s meetings are over. The message is being delivered with precision.
It isn’t all in the words. It isn’t all in the words. It isn’t all in the words. It isn’t all in the words. It isn’t all in the words. It isn’t all in the words. It isn’t all in the words.
“WORDS – the way is beyond language” from the text by Seng-Ts’an.

But I’m still intrigued.

This only appears so because trying is obscuring what you are looking for.
You are looking for EMPTY SPACE like awareness while ‘covering’ it up with more thoughts.
The thought ‘me’ is doing the looking-seeking-trying , and so it is getting reinforced.
How can you notice this EMPTY SPACE when it is all cover up ( by thoughts seeking other thoughts ).
Some ‘spiritual’ writers suggest meditating on the space between the words – it never worked for me. But what works for me is reading very slowly over and over sentences that resonate within me.
The sentence that already resonates , like Gilbert’s introduction in the e-book ;

” Awareness is space like – Right THERE where these very words are registering, via the pure function of seeing, there is nothing that you can know of as ‘something’ which is registering all the (millions of) impressions. It is not a screen, nor a bunch of brain cells. It is space-like. It is all too obvious and we normally miss it altogether.”

It seems that by leaving the space between the words you are actually exposing what you are looking for – SPACE LIKE AWARENESS.
The tendency of the mind is that when sentence resonates to hurry up to read next sentence to understand more- but what you are actually doing is covering up this opening where this realization registered with more words and therefore obscuring what you were looking for.
If you leave enough EMPTY SPACE between the words or thoughts the meaning will ‘reveal’ it self to you.
The words are pointing to this empty space between thoughts and words.

“It makes me sad and a little dissapointed to think there is no hope for this ‘me’ appearance. Like not wanting to say goodbye to an old friend and leave him to his woes.”

There is no need to walk away from this ‘me’ appearance but it must be seen that who you truly are is NOT who you believe yourself to be. Instead of saying goodbye to this ‘me’ appearance perhaps it would help to stay present with this sadness and disappointment and SEE why there is sadness and disappointment there. To deny or judge or ignore this ‘me’ appearance just keeps the ‘me’ appearance in place. The struggle and frustration you feel is caused by trying to take someone else’s words and not seeing the truth of what is being said. So stay with it until it is seen and by no means try to just accept other people’s words including mine and make them true without investigation first.

There is work to be done UNTIL it is seen that the one doing the work is the one that stands in the way of true seeing and NOT before.

It seems that in this investigation there can be a trying to get something, something better for ‘me’. It is pointed out that this is a mistake and that this ‘me’ does not exist and so the investigation then turns to trying to be rid of something, rid of this false ‘me’. It is then pointed out again that this is a mistake an that this ‘me’ DOES NOT EXIST. This can lead to confusion as this non-existant ‘me’ does seem to pop up now and then….and I’ve just realised I’ve totaly missed the point. If any ‘me’ appears is irrelevant. I see this ‘me’ thought tie itself in all sorts of knots chaseing it’s tail into a maelstrom and I feel I need to help it in some way, I love it and don’t want to see it in such a state, but I don’t know if that is just more of the same or what?

I go over these things in my head but it’s not until I express them here that they are revealed to be totally wrong. I’ve been waiting for this maelstrom to go away, trying to nudge it along now and then but I am increasingly getting the impression that it’s not going to go anywhere and there’s no need to do anything about it. It makes me sad and a little dissapointed to think there is no hope for this ‘me’ appearance. Like not wanting to say goodbye to an old friend and leave him to his woes.

Now, if some Aboriginal woman came up there and took a plop on you — would you really enjoy THAT?

C’mon, I mean in the appearance, of course… APPEARING, THAT IS. Without any conglomeration of mind stuff conceptualizing a conceptualizer in the Duality.

So what are you going to do when Gilbert’s crowned King Sailor Bob II, ‘uh? Envy and Jealousy are but unnecessary mind things, BT.

Be well, my friend…

-JCK

The existence of intelligence is self evident.
Everything is just happening…the planets moving around, the little seed pushing through the dirt…the cell creation program in this body/mind running along quite nicely… without the imagined me doing anything.

The imagined entity does nothing…the intelligence does everything…you are the intelligence…you are the life and the living looking at itself.

The intelligence is instant and immediate. It is only now…right now while you are reading these words…direct cognition…nothing to wait for or expect…

Who or what is doing everything? The planets, the stars, the seed growing, the body/mind metabolising and assimilating…the intelligence runs the whole show.

Investigate the seed pushing through the dirt…there it is…up she comes…the shoot is seen…the flower unfolds…what is doing that? What is making that little plant unfurl and uncurl and display itself?

The intelligence!

Where or what is this intelligence? Has it got any colour, shape, size, etc. No!
It is NO THING that can be grasped by the mind! It is undeniable (are you aware?)…it is immediate…it is right now…obvious and clear.

The imagined entity is the same as the plant shoot…appearing in the intelligence as the intelligence…intelligence looking at itself!

No matter what arises…fear, laughter, objects, even the thought ‘I don’t get this non dual stuff’ is just appearances in the intelligence that you are.

…Friday afternoon ramblings of an old bloke up in the Dandenong mountains…playing didgeridoo…enjoying whatever is appearing…

“I” IS awareness. Only it’s been applied to the body-mind.

YOU ARE Awareness. The body-mind and world are appearances TO you. In You.

I wanted to post a response that I received from Randall F. a few months ago when ‘me’ was absolutely…. um yea, chasing my tail, as it were.
It “cleared” a little space here in Da Abyss>>

ThanQ Randall ~ avastu0@blogspot.com ~

Good to see the mind is throwing itself in a ditch, gaining some understanding only to have it ripped out by the throat, left bare and naked, circling in an ever-tightening noose that is both inescapable and infinitely non-existent.

The mind continues down this path of compulsive analytical masturbation until it totally runs head-first into the brick wall, so hard that it’s left bleeding and convulsing, gasping for life support, left totally without any word to save it, left completely without any direction to go for help.

When that mental heartbeat weakens in exhaustion and self-inflicted battering, when that continuous stream of absolute and total self-referencing runs out of steam, there is simply a giant exhale, a release of the string pulled so tight it might snap in two. A resting in pure effortless seeing and knowing, a witnessing of the sensations that make up this illusion of body and mind and world, a confusion as to the reality of this that seemed so clearly understood with concepts.

The only “thing” that can BE is that seeing/knowing, against and within which these “sensations” come and go, not separate from the pure nonconceptual IS-NESS, a simple blade of grass, a slight cool breeze against the face, the sound of pitter-patter of tiny feet. THIS is the miracle, the mysterious nothingness which manifests as everythingness, the “secret” which is completely and totally and ABSOLUTELY staring you in the face.

Only “face” can never be found, only appears as a conceptualized idea of more sensation – no boundary can be located, no center or circumference can be found, no beginning or end can EVER EVER appear.

Seeing/knowing is happening – before during and after any concept which appears, before during and after any idea of a “mark” who wants to understand, a “mark” who seeks or finds or laughs or cries, a “mark” who sees or doesn’t see, gets “enlightenment” or falls miserably into the abyss of total ignorance.

At the end of this fictional story, the book is laid aside, a deep breath is taken, a sip of tea, resting against the soft pillow of now. The story remains only as a memory, a faint picture of “mark”, not worth the distraction from the bittersweet taste of tea, not worth the illusory effort required to maintain the drama.

All that remains is the seeing/knowing/being, the space in which these characters dance on the stage, the emptiness which overflows with sound and fury, the YOU which was before the big bang, the YOU which was never ever, for the smallest fraction of a moment, EVER involved in the world.

How many Buddhists does it take to hear a single bell ringing – or to find Oneness in non attachment?
How many rosary beads does it take to make a heaven?

“There is NO duality in Non Duality”.

Full Stop.

I seem to be hung up on where the appearance comes from if anywhere. I like the concept of sensations being interpreted by the brain and then an image being made based on those interpretations and that is where the ‘me’ lives (in the image) but I am not that ‘me’ or the image but the empty ‘space’ (or empty mind in this concept) in which that image appears\is made of. Seperation is added to this image in the brains interpretation of what is believed and so it is the brain that will work through this belief until it is dispelled and the seperation will no longer appear in the image, but it is still only an image appearing in the empty ‘space’. Due to everything that appears being made of the empty ‘space’ it is already one whether the image includes seperation or not.

That has to be a concept though as there is no way I can say those sensations come form a real world outside this empty ‘space’ as when I dream at night I feel many sensations that don’t exist, I see many things in my sleep even though my eyes are shut. The whole concept of the brain interpreting sensations falls apart and I’m just left with this idea of empty ‘space’ full of mysterious appearances that have no basis of existance.

It seems the appearance here is of ‘me’ trying to work all of this out. It seems pointless but I can’t put it down. I agree with Milton there seems to be a flip where the constricted feeling in the body just vanishes and then a flop as it returns.

So feelings and thoughts are appearances in presence/awareness so are basically the same. The feelings just seem to endure longer and hang around longer but are no more real. Just let them be and they will go their way. Feelings are more like a sunset and a thought is a bird flying across the sky; both are appearances in the sky.

Thanks UGC for continuing to blow “me” away. A refreshing cup of coffee indeed. Strong? Yes, strong will be good. Amazing. Nonetheless you hope to attain some other fruit than this elsewhere–amazing!

At the risk of doing a Gilbert…

Your parallel processes of thinking and feeling… are confused. A feeling only ever arises from a thought.

This originates in the MIND!!

Don’t go jumping off any tall towers!

‘I’ doesn’t have any thoughts… ‘ME’ does!

“Taking ‘ME’ seriously is the only mistake in this journey”.

Learn that… and the rest will follow

HTH Karl:)

You won’t disappear just because thought has ceased for ‘a short time’.

Maybe I am giving belief to these feelings, but they seem to appear spontaneously, and whether I believe them or not, they seem to have actuality. Is it best to ride these period out, so to speak, and leave the feelings alone, with the realization that eventually presence awareness will be recognized? Should I attempt to stop believing in the feelings? This would be hard because the feeling is just there whether I believe in it or not. It seems like I have two parallel processes occurring, one on the feeling level and one on the thinking level, and they are not in harmony. Does these make sense, or am I jumping off the tower of Babble?

There is awareness of these “things”. Can you deny it? Not “I AM aware”. That’s another thought appearing.

There is awareness, always present, always clear. Isn’t awareness the subjectivity to all objects known? Is awareness an object? Can you describe it? Does it have a shape, size, color?

Is there another subject experiencing awareness?

Haven’t YOU always been the subject in a lifetime of experiences? Yet what is missed is that the objects called “body-mind” are OBJECTS – not the subject.

The subject – YOU – is this clear and present awareness.

This is “I”.

“I” IS awareness. Only it’s been applied to the body-mind.

YOU ARE Awareness. The body-mind and world are appearances TO you. In You.

Yet caught within the shackles of conceptualization, the primary assertion is I AM – this is applying the subjectivity to the object – body-mind, person.

It’s like looking out – seeing a tree – and then conceptualizing that the TREE is the experiencer in this basic equation of your experience of yourself and the world. The TREE is an object.

In exactly the same way, the body-mind is an object arising in subjectivity, in the open space of “I”. It’s a simple and obvious fact that isn’t arrived at through more conceptualization. It’s arrived at through laying aside of preconceived notions – not more “worldly-knowledge” but Self-knowledge… looking directly at what Reality IS.

The apparent split between Subjectivity and Objectivity is ONLY apparent.

YOU are the knowing (subjectivity) in all experience (omniscience), ever-present in all experiences (omnipresence), and that knowing presence is the actual FORM and FUNCTION OF the appearance itself (omnipotence). Subject and object are ONE.

YOU are the Presence (Sat), aware or knowing (Chit) itself as everything (Ananda).

Step outside – look up at the trees, the birds, the clouds, the buildings, the people walking around… Notice this body with its faults and pleasures. Notice these thoughts coming and going, chasing themselves in seeking, tamping themselves down or finding joy in themselves…

YOU are the source of ALL of it. YOU are the Presence in which this beautiful miracle is unfolding. YOU ARE LIFE. Life, looking at itself. Life, living itself.

It can only be LIFE seeking itself. There is no separate “you”, no individual separate from LIFE. Whether LIFE finds itself or not is irrelevant. It cannot become anything but what it already IS. Where you look, life cannot find anything but itSelf.

It is not “you” – the individual – that finds anything in seeking. It is Life which, in realizing itSelf, dissolves the false idea, the displacement of I AM, the idea of a separated individual. “You” are dissolved. YOU – LIFE – recognize your own FACE as EVERYTHING.

When you really understood that you never lived a life …that life lived you .. & there is no one inside your body doing anything…how did that change your life? Was all the anxiety, fear, regret & guilt just gone? Sounds way to good to be true. No offense but I’m just amazed that you guys actually believe this……
it’s fascinating to say the least.”

I’d guess something like this would be worth investigating, huh?

“The Sailor Bob boys have cornered the market on true non dual understanding and ‘pointing’? C’mon.”

….. it appears to come across that way , here at the UGC … doesn’t it ?

Again, well said.

That’s why I put ‘awake people’ in semi quote marks. That meant, yes there are no awake people as such but the seeing has been recognized through a seeming person who is ,in reality, non existent as a separate individual. Isn’t it just simpler to say ‘awake person’? So how would you refer Wheeler or Randall to someone interested? Tell me, who is Stephen Wingate?

And why would you not post the link? Why are you that controlling? The guy Josef is in Germany lamenting the lack of a non dual expression being vocalized through seeming individual entities there. (is that acceptable non dual speak?) Did you even look at that site? Did you notice Tony Parsons is there? Many others there speak much like you and none of them imply they are in a higher state. Shouldn’t Josef decide for himself if he should go and see anyone or no one? There’s a couple dozen there, did you listen to them all in one day or just give a sweeping dismisal to them all? Are you the ONE… who passes judgement on all teachings and ‘teachers’? Who is this one? It judges? Isn’t that ego activity? Truth is only being spoken on this site? The Sailor Bob boys have cornered the market on true non dual understanding and ‘pointing’? C’mon.

You say “Each one’ is unique – what works for one may not work for another.”
So where’s tolerance and understanding for people that are not all on the same page and are working in their own unique way?

This critique of neo advaita brings up many interesting things.
http://www.shiningworld.com/Home%20Page%20Links/What%20is%20Neo-Advaita.htm

Perhaps you could have the author of that on. He’s James Swartz. But I doubt he’d pass your narrow approval . Would be very informative, though.
http://www.shiningworld.com/Index.htm

in case you want to actually look at that German site
http://www.here-now-tv.com/

When you really understood that you never lived a life …that life lived you .. & there is no one inside your body doing anything…how did that change your life? Was all the anxiety, fear, regret & guilt just gone? Sounds way to good to be true. No offense but I’m just amazed that you guys actually believe this……
it’s fascinating to say the least.

It may seem only words…

But is really very profound.

Is very difficult to express.

So, no more words trying to express what cannot be expressed.

The baby, the child, the parent, the adult, the aged and the dying all ‘appear’ as forms of consciousness. All seemingly separate ‘parts’.
There is only One Consciousness – Cosmic Consciousness.
All these patterns do not have any capacity of themselves to know anything at all.
There is only One True Dharma.
There is only One True anything – and that is ‘No Thing’ for the mind.
The fixations on the sense of localization (me) is the ignoring of the vastness of this Open Space-like awareness.
If you truly focus on this idea of ‘me’ with a genuine interest to know what it is, it will dissolve into Open Space – within the seeing.
Witnessing this is a Key Point. A turning point. There is no need to ‘look back’ once this view opens up. The ‘past’ dissolves into emptiness.
Belief is belief – Knowing is knowing.
Believing in that ‘You’ will not allow it to give up ‘your arguments’ – not until this ‘key point’, this ‘turning point’ expands the habitual fixations on ‘me’ into their true origin – emptiness.
Whatever ‘brings this about’ is valid.
There are NO rules, no blue prints.
No one knows HOW or WHY (to anything).
If the fixation on being ‘someone’, a ‘person’ continues without a clear investigation of the foundations of that belief, then that belief will continue to appear as the pivotal point of a fictional personal life – full of vulnerability and doubt.
‘Who’ insists on being a ‘person’?
The question “Where do you want to live?” is an invalid one. No one ever lived a life. LIFE lives you.
You as that believed in entity has NEVER had a choice, it has NEVER done anything.
The fork in the road is in your mind.
You have NEVER chosen a thing and you have NEVER stepped out of this presence, nor have you EVER been anything other than what you ARE.
All evidence to the contrary is only made of appearance in the mind.
How are any of these appearing things known? They ALL appear in the Knowing. There is only One Knowing.
It is registering these words right now. What chioce do ‘you’ imagine that you have in regard to this, or to anything?
The perception of a ‘me’ in others is due to the belief in ‘me’ right there where you appear to be.
KEEP seeing through the ‘me’.
It is a life long belief….its foundations need to be ‘excavated’ and exposed.
If the ‘plant’ is not pulled out by the roots, then it will sprout again. Don’t worry about any of this. The message is sinking in.
At some point, out of the blue, unexpectedly, intelligence will ACT and the Decisiveness will be complete.
It will be KNOWN totally and decisively that you are not a ‘person’. This may sound like futuristic projection.
But I assure you that ‘when’ this ‘happens’ it will be NOW. The SEEING is happening….it is the SAME seeing that ‘was’ there for all the so-called great ‘teachers’ like Buddha, Christ and umpteen others. This moment is the SAME moment in which they all appeared.
You are not separate from THIS. It is One LIFE. Do not despair. Be OPEN and SEE. Make that your touch stone.
Everything will reveal itself………..and IS revealing itself Right Now.
It cannot be any other way.

SEEING has nothing to do with what you think.
SEEING has nothing to do with your brain.
SEEING is what you notice when your ‘mental dust’ settles.
SEEING has everything to do with simply looking, as if you momentarily forgot everything you learned since conception, and simply looked without mental filters.

But even forgetting isn’t necessary.
Notice that when you look without thought (or without belief if thought is present), that you have no history! (Did you stop and notice?)
No history is SEEING beyond believing. It is so ordinary, and natural, and present it is overlooked.
Stop overlooking (mind seeing) and simply SEE.

Transactional Analysis (Eric Berne / “Games People Play” / 1964) posits child, parent and adult:
CHILD: your animal self, or natural self; pure sensation and feeling; your body’s view.
PARENT: your conditioned self; all of the thoughts, beliefs, attitudes and explanations you copied from your parents and culture; your mind’s view chained to the wheel of becoming.
ADULT: your true self; pure being, seeing and knowing; ‘your’ undefined view (SEEING).

All of the wonderful pointers on this site route (by necessity) through your PARENT (through your brain).
Your PARENT is loathed to give up control.
Your PARENT maintains control by listening to the audio files once or twice, then endlessly trying to figure out what the pointers mean here in the comments section.
Pointers inspire your CHILD to feel through the PARENT to your fully functioning ADULT.
Notice the your ADULT is SEEING even now, and will never stop SEEING, even when the PARENT and CHILD both die.

Where do you want to live? In the CHILD, PARENT or ADULT.
Where you want to live is where you will live.

What is the simple nature of ‘KNOWING’ right there where you appear to be. Non-conceptual awareness.
‘We’ measure it with concepts and fail to recognize it.
It is useless repeating the words “There is no you” or “there is no me”.
It just sets in as ‘an attitude’, more stuff to deal with, seemingly for that believed in ‘entity’.
‘Seekers’ are ‘stuck-ness’ and can get stuck on any concepts and imagine they are getting somewhere or have gotten somewhere ‘better’ than ‘before’. They can ‘become’ teachers and sprout their ‘stories’. it is ALL in the appearance of things and they are all empty – so what is stuck on what?
The singular Essence or what we call Non Duality does not need to realize anything.
It already IS – complete just as it is.
Who are you?
Where are you seeing from?
Truly?
What substance in the appearance belongs to ‘you’?
Where did you acquire this substance?
Where is it stored?
What shape is it?
What color is it?
What does it feel like?
What is it that never changes – what is real?
Non Duality – how can you be anything apart from THAT?

I found it really helpful to notice this feeling happening throughout the body as thoughts arise. It’s easily recognizable. And once you begin to notice it it really seems to lose its grip.

I think Tony has a valid point in that separation is more than a concept to be dispelled. When separation first appeared for us our conceptual apparatus was not well developed. The veil of separation seems a good metaphor. Therein lies the hard-headedness of us seekers. I apparently firmly believe that “me” as a separate entity is utter nonsense, and that there is nothing but intelligence/energy. However, the core assumptions of time, objectivity, and separation still seem to pervade my reality.

There is no seeker to let go of anything.

Gilbert says, “They appear to be far too willing to …”

“will” and the illusory self are equivalent. There is no one to be “willing” to do anything. “Will” is the very “sacred concept” that needs to be let go of, but there is no one who can be “willing” to “let go” of “will.”

Why does it come and go?

There’s ‘awake people’ some living in or visiting Germany.
(Editor – There are NO awake People. There is wakefulness and it does not belong to anyone)

“Each one’ is unique – what works for one may not work for another.” Yes and that includes ‘teachers’ who give plenty of concepts for the ’self-image’ to weave new stories of attainment for ‘me’.

That may be exactly what they need before possibly moving on to more direct ‘pointings’. How many can come to this stark pointing without a long search?
Very few. I sure didn’t.

Pain is a sign that ‘all is not well’ in the body. Intelligence will do what is necessary to bring about ‘healing’.
Psychological pain is often unbearable, yet it is nothing but ephemeral appearances in the mind.
If the pain becomes to much to bear, the body will go into unconscious-ness – intelligence in action.
Stay with the pain. Go to the core of it.
Most run away from pain or resist it with a passion – thus they increase its unbearable-ness. Pain is usually quite bearable if you stay in the immediacy of its appearance. Pain does not build up into problem without thought support.
Let it be what it is. Act intelligently if action is required. Get professional help is needed.
Don’t bury your head in the sand like an Ostrich – and recite new age mantras.
BE the intelligence that you ARE.
It is effortlessly available….but not to any ‘person’. It is WHAT you ARE.
How strange that so many reject the direct pointing and cling to belief as IF it was their saving grace.
P.S. Some ‘teachers’ are exceptionally clear in their expressions. They are not necessarily popular because of this.
The most popular ‘teachers’ are the ones who give plenty of concepts for the ‘self-image’ to weave new stories of attainment for ‘me’.

Brilliant, my friend. This direct investigation of what actually IS, beyond what’s conceptualized, is the essence of neti-neti, not this, not that…

Look at what IS without applying labels or concepts. Then, as you are doing, see that whatever is arising is then conceptualized into something – “pain”.

Walk back from there, as you’re doing – “pain” is simply sensation conceptualized as “pain”, then “bad”, then “I am in pain”.

What you’re seeing is that “pain” IS – the ME part is added on.

“Pain” is sensation. What else comes this way? Isn’t the body itself just more sensation? Isn’t it conceptualized in the same way as “body” and then “my body”?

Isn’t this where the identification goes off-track?

All you know and have ever known appears TO YOU – within this pure invisible space of subjectivity. It appears as pure “sensation” then is later conceptualized. Isn’t this what’s happening? Isn’t this conceptualization what you’re referring to as “stories”?

So this pure space of subjectivity or awareness is really what you are, what the “I” points to. Hasn’t this “I” always been known?

All appearances are only “something” once conceptualization has been applied. And that’s ok – there isn’t anything WRONG with conceptualization – it’s just not actual reality as such – conceptualization creates the illusion of separation where none actually exists.

Looking in this way, can you actually find separation?

love to you
randall

“That is why I don´t unterstand sentences like “awareness is never touched” by the content of awareness.”

You have not investigated thoroughly. Before this consciousness came over you, you were perfect. Are you with me so far? Then this consciousness came over you and now all your troubles have come. Here in lies the problem, you are taking this consciousness as something real. You are giving that which is unreal, reality and denying that which is real, but ultimately the real can’t be denied because it will always prevail. After consciousness has gone, you will be back in the perfect state. Don’t you see that you prevail as awareness even now? Nothing can take you out of who you are. Do you also see now that awareness is never touched by its content? Remember, the universe doesn’t exist, it only appears to exist.

I am so grateful that I have got the possibility to talk via internet from a small town in germany to such hearty persons like you are. Thank you for this possibility. In my town I would not have the possibility to talk to people about this subject. I am not sure but I think if i would talk to my neighbours, which are hardcore Christians, about this subject, they would burn me down on the stake.

I never would be able to fly into the USA or to the wonderful Australia in order to talk with Randall or Gilbert. Its so great to write you via internet. This tool internet seems so ordinary at that time but its really extraordinary for me.

Perhaps I was a bit misunderstood in my comment above. Thats my fault. I can´t talk and write the language English very well. Thats why its difficult for me to put my question or sentence in the correct english sentence and to express my request.

I did not want to critizice Tony or say that some one says a better truth than others. I don´t have the right to do such a thing. And it also doesn´t interest me. I don´t want to adore someone and defend him from others. I want to figure out what tony, gilbert, randall or john are talking about because it resonates with me and seems to give a possibility to ease the suffering, which I felt all my life, sometimes stronger, sometimes in the background.

And I don´t want to receive nice and cuddly words from for example gilbert, if i wrote bullshit in my comment. I want to hear the truth. And if the truth needs hard words, then this is quite o.k.

I just wanted to express my occuring problems during the search and my misunderstandings and i am thankful for the response.

I accepted the advice of Randall and Gilbert and looked the whole day, also during the work, to the place where I am seeing from.

And yes, absolutliy nothing of Josef to find. Nevertheless I did not stop to exist. I found existence. No, I did not find existence. Existence was simply there. The feeling of presence, of space, in which everything occurs. It is the same presence, which comes into the foreground when I read certain pointers or sentences of John, Gilbert or Randall. The most powerful sentence for me is a quotation of Bob Adamson, which I read on Randalls Blog. I copied this quotiation in here:

“If you are seeking truth, reality, God or whatever you like to call it, I suggest that you start with the only reality you are absolutely certain of—that is the fact of your own being. There is no one sitting here who can say ‘I am not’. Each one of us knows ‘I am’. But that thought ‘I am’ is not the reality. It is the closest you will ever get to it with the mind. That ‘I am’ is just a translation by the mind of that sense of presence, the awareness of presence or the presence of that awareness. That is the only reality we are absolutely certain of. Nobody under any circumstances can say ‘I am not’. That knowing is constantly and ever with us. And that is why we say that what you are seeking you already are.” (Quotation from Bob Adamson, found in Randall Friends Blog).

While reading this quote, this presence, this clear space is here again in the foreground.

But this presence seems to get darkend, when “I” feel pain or a strong fear, or when a strong appetite, for example a carnal appetite arises.

But I don´t think it dissapears. The focus changes. But it is not able for me to controll the focus. Sometimes the focus is on thougts or stories, sometimes the focus is on existence itself. But it is in no controll. I could say to me now: “Ok, in the future I must direct the focus more to this presence.” But this is bullshit. Immediately i am back in the story. There is no one there to controll it. It is only a thought.

The other thing I noticed while looking to that which sees is, that I can´t make a distinction between the presence or space and the objects.

That is why I don´t unterstand sentences like “awareness is never touched” by the content of awareness.

Right now, I feel pain in my back. O.k., it is only a story, that this pain is in my back.

It would be better to write: pain is perceived. There is space or presence, in which pain is perceived.

Hmmmmmmmm.

O.k. Pain is also a thougth.

Energy is perceived, which the mind translates into pain.

Energy is perceived by presence. But it feels nevertheless not good. Ok, thats only another thougth.

And its also a thought that energy is perceived by presence. In my perception there is no distinction between the presence and the energy which is included in presence and which is translatet as pain by the mind.

There is only this presence/pain-energy. It is one, not two. And it doesn´t belong to Josef. It is simply there.

But still it does not feel good.

Stop. Thats another thought again.

I come to the conclusion now that life is quite ok and tolerable, if I don´t belief the stories. But there is no “I” which can choose, if it rests in presence or if it beliefs in a fictional story. No I, just one block called life.

I can´t also make a distinction between thoughts and presence.

Life seems to include happyness and sadness, joy and pain. And this happens to no one. It happens on its own. One block which contains everything.

In my opinion it makes life not necessarlily easier, when it is seen, that for example pain happens to no one and not to Josef.

The relief is perhaps, that life is constantly changing and that the pain and suffering will change too. And perhaps the relief is too, that “I” am not responsible for suffering. It simply is and will change on its one way.

Perhaps pain is also more tolerable, when it is simply perceived without beliefing the upcoming horror stories.

Perhaps it is realy very simple. All my life time “I” talked about “me”. And this “me” is not a dream. Perhaps it was only ranged wrong. The “Me” is real. But it is not the body called josef but life itself, including happiness and suffering.

So far so good with my amateur insights.

Please feel free to point my failures out. And you can gladly use hard words.

Warm regards

Josef

Also, I read somewhere that this awareness you speak of is hiding from ITSELF & longs to be revealed to ITSELF through our bodies? Is that how you see it?

Ashtavakra was a cripple with seven deformities of the body – he discovered this ‘Light of Knowing’ beyond the form.
After demolishing a dozen of the Kings ‘wise men’ in debate the King became his disciple and very quickly ‘realized’, discovered, the same ‘Light of Knowing’. (research The Ashtavakra Gita – the spelling may be a bit wrong )

By what light do you SEE and KNOW anything?
If you think that the intellect has some light of itself, you are in imagination.
The intellect is like the Moon, it has no light of its own.
Pure Intelligence is shining.
The ‘crippled form’ of a ‘seeker’ does not distort the pure light of knowing.
“You are not the body, nor are you the mind”.
What are you, if not this light of knowing?
Actually the ‘seeker’ beats the crap out of itself.
There is no ‘nice way’ to confront the ‘me’.
True compassion is ruthless.
The ‘me’ is resistance to WHAT IS.
It can lick its wounds in some dark corner – but the light of knowing WILL ‘find it’ and reveal it for what it is.
“They run, they hide, the won’t answer the phone – They pretend not to be at home – when the penetrating question is asked, the mind is stunned like a rabbit in a cars headlights on the road.
Their feeble intellect scrabbles to re-group, using poor ‘reason’ as a defense.
At no point is any of this activity anything ‘other’ than KNOWING.

‘Who’ cannot bear to SEE and Know ‘what is’?

However, if you shelve this “Me” thought for Just a Moment, you may find that he is Really good at beating the “Me” out of Hell~!~!

“Tis a tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury signifying nothing.”

Look forward to phase two!

Margo:I agree that “everything is clear and obvious” is just what it says, helpful to me too.

Gilbert: how does one purchase your other book, I can’t get to it from your website?

I can’t see any real difference between what Gilbert says and what Tony says, there is no “me,” no “you” ; there no method for “you” to get anything since there is no you and no thing, there is just seeing, being, presence awareness, aliveness, or whatever. Both seem to be pointing to the same thing from a place of ruthless compassion, destroying delusions. Many thanks to the delusion busters!

Do you know yourself? What do you know yourself AS? A body? A mind? The chattering intellect? Some vague concept about a soul?

Do you know yourself? What is the truth of what you are? There is a false identification with objects. In what do the objects appear? What has remained unchanged while the entire totality of appearance comes and goes?

Do you know yourself? What is the “I” really pointing to? Is it an object? Have you investigated what is truly objective and subjective? This is neti-neti.

Isn’t the “I” a space of awareness, of subjectivity? Isn’t the “I” an opening, an absence of objects? Aren’t all “things” which you’ve taken yourself to be appearing in this “space”? As Gilbert points out clearly, this “space” is obvious yet overlooked in preference for the content – yet the content must appear somewhere. Where does it appear? From where are you seeing?

That space is not objectifiable. You ARE that space of awareness. This is the true “I” – the Self beyond concept of individual self. This is one SEEING. This is one KNOWING.

How can you miss yourself unless you’re missing the point? How can what-you-are be hidden or not known in the immediacy of this moment?

You KNOW “I” – intimately. Only you take “I” to be the body-mind and intellect. See that these are objects in the open space of invisible subjectivity that we call “I”. Then it’s done.

Phase Two of the Urban Guru Cafe is on its way. Spread the news.

With this being one of the last programs of Phase One of the Urban Guru Cafe I want to thank Gilbert for his clear, precise and PERSISTENT pointing.
Without it this realization of SEEING would not have happened here.
I have recognize this place of seeing as ‘I AM’ only because of GILBERT’s pointing. Upon this place ‘revealing’ it self it become clear that it is a very familiar place where I had spend a lot of time.
It was always obscure by the ‘me’ filter and only used for ‘day dreaming’ or imagining future. I used to call this place ‘imagination’- I was seeing my life the way I wanted it to be. It never dawn on me that this clear and empty space from which I was seeing was awareness, because the emphasis was on the ‘me’ (thought) character and how to control and manipulate the world to get what I wanted.
Never have I used this process to see what IS and to be in NOW.
Never have I given any attention to this clear, empty space from which everything was originating.
As Gilbert calls it “The first instant of conscious-being”.
This place got the least attention, all focus was on ‘me’ thought – believing that it belong to the body.
I am amaze how precise and accurate Gilbert’s description of this place is, his pointing is immaculate.
Once this place of awareness ‘reveals’ it self it is so obvious, intimate and familiar – it shocks you that it took so long to see that.
As much as I had enjoyed listening to Tony Parson and Eckhard Tolle their way did not work for me. This ‘place’ of awareness was still obscured by thoughts and lost in the maze of the mind.
Gilbert’s free e-book “Everything is Clear and Obvious” is amazing and precise essence of pointing to this ‘place’ that we are all looking for.
Thanks a million

Actually, I can’t think of too many situations where that is the case. A lot of teachers offer donation satsangs and then if you want more interaction, you can pay more at that point. Most all internet sites that start out free stay free.

I chose to donate because I realized I can easily spend $20 going out for a meal/movie but what I get from UGC is way more valuable than a night at the movies so I figured why not pitch in?

And no, I’ve never met Gilbert and nobody is paying me to post this!

Later!
Mike

If anyone wishes to call me to discuss their questions, they can do so via Skype. Simply email me for the details.
gilbert.schultz AT gmail.com

Any form of pointing (which is what Tony does whether he would admit it or not) is an invitation to investigate.

For instance if Tony was to declare ‘there is no chair’, that would be an invitation to SEE if this is the case.

When Tony says ‘there is no one’, that is an invitation for that to be SEEN.

The invitation is seemingly dualistic. What is ‘revealed’ is pure nondual expanse.

(This seeming paradox is known as the gateless gate in Zen.)

Note to other would be contributors from the US: When you enter your donation amount, it’s in Australian dollars (It says AUD) and the current exchange rate is 1 USD = 1.43481 AUD. So if you donate say, $30 AUD, that’s only about $21 USD.

Later!
Mike