Comments on: 36. Across Space and Time – Program #2 – Nisargadatta Tapes

By: Ronna

Ronna — Sat, 22 May 2010 23:09:47 +0000

Self-definition or self-discovery what an excellent pointer!

By: Arianalock

Arianalock — Wed, 13 May 2009 13:36:43 +0000

I will leave a reply as soon as I try it Thank you

By: Robin

Robin — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:14:31 +0000

Gilbert,

Thanks for bringing it back to…”who is fooled by what?” That is the ultimate question!

By: gilbert.

gilbert. — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:53:07 +0000

Ultimately it makes NO difference. Reality is undifferentiated.
There is only ‘one seeing’ happening. There is only one reality.
What did ‘you’ have to ‘do’ to bring this seeing into play? Has it ever not been there? Seeing is knowing. It isn’t limited to the eyes.
The claim of a reference point as ‘property’, is like a fraudulent claim made by a ghost in a Gold mining town, a claim on a new gold mine that has no gold and no mine.
It is all smoke and mirrors.
The smoke and the mirrors appear in the seeing.
Who is fooled by what?

By: Robin

Robin — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:26:21 +0000

“The postulation that there ever was a ‘me’ is a complete fiction…”

So what is REALLY happening when a non-existent me APPEARS to claim some reference point? It’s just “an appearance and disappearance” that is registered in or on what I truly am. Just like when a car drives by my front window…gone in seconds (in the appearance.) So ALL there is is THIS, presence awareness. Right NOW, I can’t find a me anywhere. What I truly am does NOT “appear and disappear”. And, as Gilbert says, “what I truly am NEVER appears…”

By: Ron Marson

Ron Marson — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:43:39 +0000

Here I sit in a 64 year old body staring wide-eyed and astonished at this world like a newborn baby. I didn’t know what anything was when I emerged from my mother’s womb. Then I learned what everything was by copying outside teachers. Now I know, beyond ANY shadow of a doubt, that I don’t know what anything is! And in this knowledge (non-conceptual being) I truly see!

‘Something’ IS obviously here, but I can’t say ‘what’. To say ‘what’, is to instantly create a whole world between my ears with ‘me’ as the central character. To say ‘what’ is to overlook the Divine matrix in which forms and movements arise. Right now my mind is defining world view #3,000,000,001. Oh, there goes that version, and here comes thought #3,000,000,002. Endless mind translating is the only way ‘me’ survives. I plan ‘my’ day and drive on ‘my’ side of the road — of necessity. But I just can’t believe in ‘me’ like I used to. What a relief!

Some people don’t believe in ‘God’, but can’t seem to get entirely free of the concept. I don’t believe in ‘me’, but can’t seem to get entirely free of the concept. ‘Me’ and ‘God’ as concepts, are both virtual images dancing in this timeless ‘mirror’ of being. I stare into this universal ‘mirror’ and see my mind reflecting back to me as the whole world. I see this as clearly as I see my own face reflecting back in the bathroom mirror. The reflections in both mirrors are NOT what they appear to be.

Can there be doubt in non-conceptual being? Where is there room for doubt or belief in don’t-know mind? God (I am) simply is; immediate and direct to human BEINGS; conceptual and theoretical to human EXPLANATIONS.

God plays hide-and-SEE with Himself: Hiding happens as ‘me’ and ‘other’ arise together in thought; SEEING happens as thinking dissolves back into simple, natural, silent being. Duality (time) arises out of non-duality (now). My mind keeps getting this backwards. It tries to get to Non-duality from duality, to arrive at Reality from illusion. This is how Being plays plays hide-and-SEE with Itself.

I know THAT I am. I just can’t say WHAT I am. Saying WHAT, creates 2 (self and other) then 3 (multiplicity). The ‘way back’ is already back. Mission eternally accomplished. Nothing to achieve. Simpler than dirt.

So let’s all turn away from our simple, common, untouchable, essential being and keep our egos alive by trying ever harder. How else can God hide in plain sight?

By: nathan

nathan — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:12:04 +0000

Wherever light shines, it can NEVER find darkness....awareness is like a flood light in the mind....turn on the flood lights! is there even a mind to be seen apart from thought? Editor: Awareness is like nothing. All concepts about what awareness is are invalid.

By: gilbert.

gilbert. — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:25:01 +0000

Who was fooled by what? SEEING is happening, prior to any ‘event’ – during any ‘event’ and after any ‘event’. Expand this consciousness and know that presence is here, no matter what appears to take place. You can actually recall all the impressions of that ‘drama’. The story about it, or anything, is just a story. It has no power except what ‘you’ seemingly give it. It is invalid as a representative of reality.
In this seeing, right now, see that ‘the future’ never actually is HERE except as a mind projection. The past is never HERE, except as a memory. Right HERE, right NOW, there is NO future and NO past. All movement is registering in THIS immediacy. ‘Things’ don’t arrive or leave THIS.
They simply ‘appear’ and ‘disappear’. Get a stop watch and choose some expected appearance. Time it from the instant of its appearance until the instant of its departure.
Can’t choose an appearance? Well time the duration of a thought. They appear and disappear.
So, now, can the finger hit the stopwatch button ‘in time’ or ‘outside of time’?
Where does the ‘instruction’ to start the stopwatch come from? Did you time that thought? What duration was it?
This exercise can be quite illuminating, since ‘we’ believe that thoughts are so powerful. So, what is a thought? What thought can represent itself 100%?
You see it is all stories. “Once upon a TIME……….”
What is the investment about – the investment in ‘me’?
It only ’causes’ a lot of trouble so why be so attached to it? Life goes on quite well without that tyrant.
The immediacy is like ‘the Razor’s Edge’. The closer the ‘me of memory’ is brought to this razors edge, the more transparent it is.
Trans-Parent. Beyond parent. No parent – no origins. Just THIS immediacy.
In the ACTUALITY of this immediacy there is NO ‘me’ whatsoever.
It is so simple. Why don’t you stay HERE? Now.
The postulation that there ever was a ‘me’ is a complete fiction.
Be conscious of this consciousness and ‘watch the mind’ and its habits. It ALL appears in the seeing.
It is like you think the house is clean and tidy but the house is over run with mice.
The mice will wreck the whole house but as soon as ‘the cat’ walks in the door things are already clearing up. A schoolroom gone haywire after the teacher leaves the room. As soon as the teacher walks in, order is restored.
In other words, be conscious of the consciousness. This is not some conceptual trick.
You are the consciousness – so BE IT Knowingly.
The ‘story of me’ will take a back seat and cease to be a tyrant.
This is NOT psychology, so don’t grab ‘the wrong end of the stick’.
It is rather odd because THIS is so wonderfully simple it is actually indescribable. Yet descriptions happen spontaneously. The relative fades into reality and reality disperses into the relative, all according to the knowing presence and the degree of being conscious of this consciousness. There is no ‘entity’ to it and yet the appearance and belief in being an ‘entity’ appears and disappears.
Your original state is no state at all. Without this knowing and the appearance of a body and a world, what would you know? Emptiness?
Where are you seeing from?

By: Robin

Robin — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:40:16 +0000

I have to say, I am amazed when the “me” shows up and acts like it’s running the show! It is such a desperate cry baby wanting to have it’s way…yet SEEMINGLY has so much power. The bugger fooled me today…I only noticed how ridiculous it was after the DRAMA was over.

“Be conscious of the consciousness…no one can do it for you!”

By: gilbert.

gilbert. — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:17:26 +0000

Are ‘you’ willing to drop all your ideas? Even for a moment?

By: kale

kale — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:15:41 +0000

Do nothing….in doing nothing, what are you? How can an idea take you to what you are? “What am i to do?” you ask. Where is this YOU that can do something? Take a look; what can a mental construct possibly do? In seeing that it is a mental construct, all struggles fall away…

By: milton

milton — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:00:28 +0000

Mike, the final stretch tends to stretch on forever if it’s a stretch of the imagination. For me, I’ve given up on final stretches, too frustrating. As Gilbert so ruthless hammers home (no mercy at all): “This INSTANT is all there is.” Who or what is in danger with your inquiry? Surely not your true nature.

“There is NO point in pretending to be free – that is just another burden and one that needs constant attention to maintain..No amount of mind contrivance will bring it on…Stay with that without talking to yourself about it.” G- hey, you are not giving us much wiggle room, here, you are not a very sporting bloke are you?… I am flat out of ideas…whatever am I to do?

By: gilbert.

gilbert. — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:17:53 +0000

The new program is almost finished. It will appear in due course.

As Nisargadatta says: “This consciousness is hard to bare”.
Being conscious of this consciousness stops the mind dividing. It brings the attention out of the dualistic nature of mind. This is actually effortless yet it can appear to require great effort due to the habit of mind of slipping back into the habit of referring everything to ‘the me of memory’.
Inattention is noticed from a ‘point of attention’.
Automatic behavior is noticed from beyond the automatic ‘processes’.
Bondage is noticed from a ‘place’ of freedom.
Everything appears in the SEEING. The seeing itself never appears. It is ACTUALLY forever beyond the appearance of ‘things’.
This Seeing does not belong to any individual – and this is even logical because ALL the so-called individuals ‘appears’ in the seeing and nowhere else.
All ‘we’ have is the appearance of ‘things’. We make our judgments according to the appearance – and ‘we’ forget the pure nature of seeing-knowing.
The habitual mind cannot understand anything, let alone THIS.
The ‘me’ cannot bare to be exposed at the core of its roots.
No one can sever the tap root except yourself.
There cannot be anything to fear in your own authentic nature.
As Nisargadatta says: “Nothing can harm you except in your own imagination”.
‘We’ carry an unnecessary heavy burden made of concepts and ideas. ‘We’ beat ourselves up with ideas about ‘who I am’.
It is all added onto the naked sense of presence, the ‘I am-ness’.
Without a thought, naked awareness has a subtle blissful nature – but it needs to be tasted a few times, before it e x p a n d s.
One of the biggest ‘problems’ is that ‘certain people’ promote this state called ‘enlightenment’ and pretend to HAVE it.
No appearance HAS anything whatsoever. So, ‘we’ get an idea about some possible state and we try to attain it, using all the descriptions perpetrated by these ‘certain special individuals’. Only those who point directly are not misleading the seekers. The methods don’t work. This INSTANT is all there is and there is no time or duration to it. It is only the habits of mind that cloud the view.
Genuine recognition is thoughtless and ‘happens’ unexpectedly.
No amount of mind contrivance will bring it on. In fact the more you try, the less it is likely to ‘happen’.

In the appearance of things: Even though only a handful venture to make comments, the download activity is soaring higher each day. Email you friends about it. Join the UGC Face-book friends if you have a FB account. There are only a few members at present.

By: nathan

nathan — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:41:56 +0000

how incredible to see this “I” come out of nowhere…

thoughts always think something has been found….ah hah!

but just like salmon desperately trying to make it upstream,

all that they are able to create are themselves

thought must be limited….
what is conscious of that limitation?
“where are you seeing from?” as Gilbert so rightly asks…

“SEEING disorder IS ORDER” one once said…

thoughts come and go…. consciousness comes and goes

but without thinking about it…..was there ever a time when you were not?

“the present moment has no duration” w.w.w.

By: Soul

Soul — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:03:11 +0000

“I definitely feel like Iâ€™m in the final stretch of this thing though. Itâ€™s been a while. Any thoughts?” (Mike )

There is the trap of getting caught in the thought, believing the thought/idea that there is an “I” that has somewhere to get to.. that it is almost there.. all part of the body/mind conditioning/concepts… not your true nature, in which all these thoughts/ideas merely arise and pass…

enjoy

By: Mike in SF

Mike in SF — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:35:14 +0000

The intensity or “earnestness” of the inquiry seems to come in waves. During these periods, there is lots of questioning and lots of peaceful presence and bliss. Then I’ll pursue other things for a while, like getting into running, or conquering a fear, or focusing on getting my relationships sorted out. There is always the sense during these periods that I’m sort of wasting my time and I’m not really 100% into it.

Right now I’m in an “earnest” phase. I notice fear often stops the inquiry. I was just brushing my teeth before going to bed and questioning where the thoughts were arising. I looked in the mirror and saw my face and wondered, are they arising in the brain? I had kind of a Douglas Harding moment and realized what I looked like in the mirror was different than what I looked like over here. I saw the toothbrush disappearing into nothing. Where are the thoughts arising from? And fear came up and made me want to just not think about these kinds of things. That it’s somehow dangerous. This has happened quite a few times before, usually with a similar line of inquiry. I definitely feel like I’m in the final stretch of this thing though. It’s been a while. Any thoughts?

By: Soul

Soul — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:06:16 +0000

“At every point in so-called time, there is an opportunity to SEE what is what”… (Gilbert wrote)
Yes, and see what is NOT.. who or what we are…
doesn’t define us…
all this that comes and goes doesn’t define me…
I am undefinable….

woooohooo!!!!!!!!!

By: gilbert.

gilbert. — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:10:41 +0000

There is pure cognition happening. Stay with that without talking to yourself about it. Then see what is what.

So often we take the translating mind to be the understanding or reality. It is not the understanding. The understanding remains untouched by whatever the mind is translating.
The believed in ‘entity’ is mind content and it has NO understanding at all – it is just a mechanical wind up machine, predictable and quite dead compared to pure intuition – In-tuition or In-sight, In-Seeing.
What is on offer here is not to do with the world and worldly ‘things’. It is beyond space and time. The revelation of your true nature ‘arrives’ unexpectedly and the translating mind is left in a state of poverty, because it can’t reduce this Immediacy to a bunch of concepts.
In the worldly sense you may exchange ‘your time and energy’ for a wage, so that ‘you can survive’. You may waste your wage on all manner of entertainment and psychotropic mind enhancement drugs or give tithings to you guru or church. Of all these things, which one has directed you to your true nature? What is the delay, why is it such a mystery or why is it so difficult?
These programs are consistently directing you to look into the place where seeing is happening. No one is asking for anything from you. No church on Sunday, no guru sava, no chanting and no rituals of any sort. Anyone at all can walk in the park with an ipod or any mp3 player and HEAR the direct message, over and over in a hundred different ways. The obstacles are pointed out and they need to be investigated. No one can do it for you. Whatever brings about the required recognition is valid.
We stir up the pot and ‘stuff’ comes to the surface. At every point in so-called time, there is an opportunity to SEE what is what.
I am not so sure that many notice that there is no one asking you to BELIEVE in anything here. No one is really asking anything from you. It is all pointing – pointing to the pure cognition that you are. Gratitude spontaneously arises unexpectedly. Relief from carrying a heavy burden (me) comes naturally – there is NO point in pretending to be free – that is just another burden and one that needs constant attention to maintain.
Are you not awake?

By: Nisargadatta Says

Nisargadatta Says — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:16:12 +0000

“The acceptance of the unreal as real is the obstacle; to see the false as false and abandon the false brings reality into being”.

By: dan

dan — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:11:03 +0000

A wonderful ‘moment’ of recognition is when it is seen that even these tapes are simply patterns of the appearance. And the listening of these tapes is just another appearance. At that ‘point’ you could be listening to anything, at that ‘point’ it doesn’t matter anymore. You could be listening to the Spice Girls. Same difference. Same relevance, same value.

Whilst Gilbert is busy putting together the next tapes, how about a bit of Nisargadatta to keep us going? From Page 432 of I Am That:

“Do understand that you cannot ask a valid question about yourself, because you do not know whom you are asking about. In the question ‘Who am I?’ the ‘I’ is not known and the question can be worded as: “I do not know what I mean by ‘I’.” What you are, you must find out. I can only tell you what you are not. You are not of the world, you are not even in the world. The world is not, you alone are. You create the world in your imagination like a dream. As you cannot separate the dream from yourself, so you cannot have an outer world independent of yourself. You are independent, not the world. Don’t be afraid of a world you yourself have created. Cease looking for happiness and reality in a dream and you will wake up. You need not know all the ‘why’ and ‘how’, there is no end to questions. Abandon all desires, keep your mind silent and you shall discover.”

By: milton

milton — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:22:54 +0000

“All these erroneous concepts about the â€˜meâ€™ cannot be just re-arranged to achieve some convincing story about being free of it.”

Certainly hasn’t been convincing so far, but maybe with a little tweaking….ok, ok, the love affair with the me has got to go. As far as finding any substance to it, can’t find one iota. This being so, don’t I deserve an epiphany to write a book about– where are the visions, lights, etc.?… and I still act and appear so ordinary, not even the faintest aura of holiness, omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, or omnianything. In fact, I am hardly noticeable or distinguishable, with the exception of a penchant for inane blundering. I guess subtle bliss will have to do.

By: Blind Lemon Jefferson

Blind Lemon Jefferson — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:41:01 +0000

Hello, I was born blind. I listen to your podcasts and follow the comments section via text-to-speech software.

My question: could you please come up with some new pointers? All these damn “seeing” references are just flat out maddening…

Peace and Love,
BLJ

P.S. Gilbert, the constant capitalization of words comes across as much shouting — a little like that earlier Steven Wingate podcast, although this quite possibly may be your intent.
Editor: I like a good joke. If this is a serious comment from someone who is actually blind: The SEEING that is pointed to is not limited to the eyes. The impressions from all the senses register in the SEEING. There is no separation between hearing and seeing or any of the senses. Where do they register? Upon what does the world rest?
There is pure cognition happening. Stay with that without talking to yourself about it. Then see what is what.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:04:36 +0000

There is only one seeing happening. It is not ‘personal’. The phantom, as you call it, cannot see so it won’t find anything, let alone other phantoms.
All these ideas about the ‘me’ having some sort of ability to see, hear, taste and do, is just more ideas appearing.
SEE them for what they ARE.
The clearest advice is to try and find anything with any substance that you can call ‘me’.
This is advised over and over and over again.
All these erroneous concepts about the ‘me’ cannot be just re-arranged to achieve some convincing story about being free of it.
It must be recognized clearly.
You are the SEEING, not as a ‘you’, not as a pattern of the appearance.
Seeing is seeing and seeing is also knowing.
You cannot separate these because they are one and the same.
Ideas only appear and disappear.
The only way out of the mind is full stop.
The subtle bliss of being is silent, wordless.
You will never find it in the mind.
The mind is simply conceptualization, memory and images.

By: milton

milton — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:26:49 +0000

“The expectation keeps the mind in turmoil.” You are quite right, Thanks Dorothy. What will this phantom character find? Just more phantoms.

Chasing butterflies of the mind is an endless process, as soon as I catch one, I have to go after the next. In the field of expectations all that can be gained is more concepts, all equally empty.

Yes, G, we must till the soil, not soil ourselves.

By: big john

big john — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:56:16 +0000

These tapes are great, thank you Gilbert.

Instead of listening to the english translation listen only to Nisargaddatta’s voice. In doing so it may be realised that not one word is understood. Of course the mind will come up with the concept that its not my native language how could it be understood, it may as well be gobbledegook. Now apply that to the english translation and realise it sounds exactly the same.

Remember its not found in the words, words are useless in Knowing This. Yet we listen to the english translation and expect to understand, to “get it” because we understand english.

What is known about This is revealed in Nisargaddatta’s words which are not making any sense. This is-ness is already Known but not in words. Let the words fall away….what remains………

This is the jewel that points within these tapes.

What search….. more words, a thought. Search ends Now.

By: suki

suki — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:36:29 +0000

There was a time when i would of moved heaven and earth to be in the company of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj! A profound sadness stirred in the heart here on the news of his passing.

The light was rekindled when authentic pointers by Bob and his fellow companions who have shared there insight into overcoming the darkness of self ignorance.

eternamente agradecido

By: gilbert

gilbert — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:11:22 +0000

Thank you Jeremy. The Harvest is a joyful time. Let them join in the celebration.
Sharing is what this is all about. The more expressions of genuine recognition happening, the better. All inclusive is the nature of Non Duality.

By: Jeremy

Jeremy — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:03:28 +0000

Thanks Gilbert for sharing this stuff. There may well be many others like myself who have simply been too stunned by the directness of what is on offer here to offer much feedback at all.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:49:40 +0000

In the appearance of ‘things’ it sure looks like the brain is a pattern recognition instrument. The development of ‘Face recognition’ software is a good example of this.
You can pick out a familiar face in a large crowd without any trouble. Yet the details of that face may be at quite a ‘distance’ and the recognition is ‘instant’, prior to ‘thinking’.
The mind/body pattern appears ‘to have a wish’ to protect itself. You love to be. Those who threaten their own life energy ‘do so’ because of a belief in an idea of ‘who’ they ‘think’ they are. It is only a ‘me’ that can suffer. They hear this and dismiss it as being false information. Such is the nature of belief. Belief is NOT the actual.
None of the pattern has any life or function APART from the ‘Living Energy’ that animates it – that is IS.
NO SEPARATION. Be what you ARE, not what you imagine that you are.
In ancient ‘times’ they called this life energy ‘God’. ‘Today’ it seems that ‘God’ is a dirty word – or that ‘God is Dead’ or some other absurdity that only ‘seems’ to make sense to a disturbed mind. At one ‘time’ man worshiped the Sun. We may scoff at that now but it actually makes more sense that worshiping technology or the latest football game. ‘I, me, me, mine’. ‘My football team is better than yours’ etc.
In the overall scheme of ‘things’, where would you be without the Sun?
This living energy in Hindu is called ‘Ishwara’. If you worship that, totally, ‘you’ will dissolve into that living energy – the concept of separation will dissolve and a merging will appear to happen. (example: “Be conscious of that consciousness”)
Without a ‘story’ all experiences dissolve into pure experiencing, which is uninterrupted. Everything ‘returns’ to ONE.
The ‘irony’ is that, that ‘you’ longs ‘to be’ and it ‘already is’ and if not then it never will BE. The ‘me’ is a fleeting ephemeral image or thought.
It is time………..BEING is NOT in time.
The dream has NO WAY OUT in the dream and the dream is time. “Once upon a time…..”
The irony of it all is that what you truly ARE, already IS, just as it is.
“One Essence expressing and ‘appearing’ AS Everything”. (a profound and direct ‘pointer’ from Bob Adamson) Bob Adamson is the ‘Real McCoy’. One of the ‘signs’ of a ‘real McCoy’ is that the majority ignores them. Thousands walked past Nisargadatta’s place every day and did not even know he was there. Others came from across the Globe ‘to be in that room’. Some of those ‘heard the message’ and ‘reaped the benefits’. Others missed the message and so they missed the harvest.
You can do the maths yourself. The harvest continues – but YOU must till the soil yourself first. No one can do it for you.

By: dorothy hoffman

dorothy hoffman — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:38:39 +0000

The expectation keeps the mind in turmoil. It’s almost like it knows what it’s looking for. And whatever it is looking for or whatever it seemingly finds is not it. It’s just another notion or idea arising in this space. The “looking” itself is prior to the first thought of anticipation arising. Check to see if there is a “some one” actually looking. In not finding that one…is the looking altered in any way. What can this phantom character find? When the character itself is not stable…

By: milton

milton — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:25:19 +0000

Thanks G- the statement: “The â€˜meâ€™ is neither dead nor alive” does the trick for me; whether the rascal is alive or not doesn’t really matter anymore. Let dead dogs lie.

Also: “The answer is NOT in the mindâ€™.” Will stop looking there, finally got that.

The tapes are well worth reviewing and waiting for. Just can’t help anticipation of new arrivals. Exciting stuff.

I find myself peeking around corners for the “recognition that comes without warning.” Doesn’t make much sense to do so.

By: kale

kale — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:26:39 +0000

Nisargadatta tapes are very direct, clear and concise. They leave no room for the mind to maneuver. It appears that this pointing / teaching gets simpler and simpler by the minute and at the end of it (hypothetically speaking) you are just left with yourself. Thanks so much….

By: gilbert

gilbert — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:11:57 +0000

The habit pattern may still appear appear no matter what. Just because you discover that the sky is not blue, that it only appears to be blue, does not mean that the sky will stop appearing to be blue. These habitual stories about disturbances and the ‘me’ coming back are just stories. Cut to the core of it in the immediacy – right now. See that right now, there is no story, while being conscious of consciousness. This razors edge is always present. The mind’s stories about the future and the past never touch the razors edge.
This is the immediacy – this is what you are.
It is just a metaphor. The razors edge is actually the expansive nature of Presence.
Presence is KNOWING – it is the being conscious of consciousness. It is NOT ‘personal’.
The mind translates everything into ‘something personal’.
There is no fair play or unfair play, except in the imagination and the story of me.
The pattern appears to ‘crumble’ as the habit of belief is cut away.
At such moments be vigilant and SEE that these habits just appear. Do not believe in them. SEE them for what they are.
Get this clear: The ‘me’ is neither dead nor alive. It only seems to have a life because it is believed in. What you ARE is the energy – cut off the supply to the ‘me’ and it can no longer ‘trick’ you.
What is on offer here is radical. Few may take delivery of the message but some do and the ‘result’ is obvious. Dozens that I know of in the recent weeks have obviously been ‘touched’ by the directness of these pointers. This is not trifling matter.
It may be ‘sour grapes’ for those struggling to understand but they still do not HEAR the pointer that ‘The answer is NOT in the mind’.
Clear understanding is present but the mind must be understood. No one can do it for you. it appears that I and some others do our very best to get it across.
Yet the recognition comes unexpectedly without warning.
The information is shared most willingly. Some appreciate this but appreciation is not enough. The recognition must rise up and free the pure cognition from ‘the story of me’.
As for more of the Nisargadatta programs: I have to make them first. And there hasn’t been all that much feedback from the hundreds who have downloaded them. I get masses of emails to answer. My policy has always been to answer them all the same day. In the appearance of things, I do my best. I know my stuff and these programs are excellent. I will make sure it stays that way. Listen to the programs again and again.
There are potential insight in them. The first listening may not ‘do the trick’.
Get familiar with them. The accents and the traffic sounds take on a less obscuring nature once you start hearing what is being shared in these tapes.

By: milton

milton — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:36:29 +0000

G- The new header is nice, but I had become somewhat attached to the old one, liked the colors. Oh well, such is the life in appearances.

“Be concscious of consciousness.” That’s a good strong cup. Thanks. When is the next Nisargadatta train coming in? Soon I hope.

This resistance called “me” seems to be crumbling at times, however, it seems quite adept at playing dead only to reemerge at the most inopportune times disturbing the new “meless me” terribly. It doesn’t believe in fairplay at all.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 02:09:23 +0000

The ‘Who is this ‘me’ that is bothered by thoughts’? is not an answer and is not presented as an answer.
It is a directive.
The mind must be understood.
The process is not the real. The apparent process is the unfolding of phenomena (time).
Where you are seeing from is timeless.
Such pointing is only disturbing for the mind held beliefs.
Who owns the beliefs and why are they being held onto?
The ‘weed’ must be cut at the root.
Otherwise it sprouts new branches, new beliefs.
If you have not read the free e-book “Everything is Clear and Obvious”, I suggest that you do. Just read the first two or three pages, at least. It is not like the average spiritual book. The e-book is on my website – shining through the mind top right hand side.
What is on offer here is far beyond the average ‘stuff’ – yet it would seem that few have the capacity to open to it. The resistance is called ‘me’.
There are no royalties coming in from my books because they don’t sell.
The ‘reader’ disappears. Publishers don’t want their ‘paying’ readers disappearing.
Like a magician that makes his audience disappear, the show has a limited season – you soon run out of new patrons. Who wants to be No thing?

By: Jerry Lewis

Jerry Lewis — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:29:08 +0000

Gilbert, we know you’ve asked for technical help in the past… However, if anyone’s reading your comment, the latest UGC graphic will already be PRESENT — in awareness happening NOW.

Conceptually refreshing is only an unnecessary doing. Let’s try to keep this site relatively clean in its pointing towards new UGC graphics.

But, seriously…

“Who is this â€˜meâ€™ that is bothered by thoughts?”

That’s really my question as well. I too am annoyed when it’s presented as a Non-Dual answer.

The “I” is just this presence-awareness? Not the I thought ego-machine… There’s something real here, processing the stimulus.

-Jerry’s Kid

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:15:22 +0000

Who is this ‘me’ that is bothered by thoughts?
Isn’t it just another thought?
Thoughts are vibrations, ripples in the Pattern. The body is an expression of the SAME LIVING Expression.
It is ALL One Pattern – One Appearance’.
Where is this appearance registering?
Where are you SEEING from?

Misleading comments and smart ass comments – not required.
Comments like “Itâ€™s here right now.
You always knew it.” may sound correct by they are subtly misleading. For whom? – you may ask.
For that one who believes it is a separate entity, that’s who.
It is incorrect because – there is no one that ‘always knew it’.
That is imagination at play with a mind projecting a ‘past’ and while imagination is at play, subtle evidence of presence-awareness is missed.
IS-ness…….there is no ‘was-ing’.
Direct pointing delivers the mind into ‘no mind’.

So, there is no offense intended to anyone. Revelations may open up. Whatever it takes to ‘bring about’ the recognition is VALID.
There is no need to preserve any ‘self-image’ or protect some ‘reputation’.

All there truly is is Knowing.

Everything appears in that knowing, including imagination.
The ‘idea’ that ‘you always knew it’ is just an idea.
It implies a ‘past’.
This PRESENCE is ‘all time’, ‘all inclusive’ and excludes nothing and is actually No Thing.

There is a lot less to Presence than you ‘think’ and there is a lot more to Presence than ‘you’ presently ‘feel’.
All in takes is a little expansion of consciousness and the limitation of ‘me’ is left behind.
Being conscious of consciousness is that expansion. The intellectually bound will not know what this means – and that brings annoyance.

Entertaining, Controversial, Innovative and highly informative.
The Urban Guru Cafe – a FREE podcast. Spreading ripples throughout the globe.
The impressions registering right now, right there, are such ‘ripples’.
What the mind ‘makes’ from these is neither good nor bad.
It is ALL Consciousness.
P.S. Hit the refresh button and see the new graphics ‘header’ for the Urban Guru Cafe.

By: Sully

Sully — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:10:39 +0000

Gilbert,

Do thoughts have anything to do with what’s going on? Are we to just ignore thoughts all together. I know my thoughts are what torment me.

By: Kimo (Jim)

Kimo (Jim) — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:03:37 +0000

That Consciousness in which everything arises and sets.
It’s here right now.
You always knew it.

So long for awhile.

By: Kimo (Jim)

Kimo (Jim) — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:43:21 +0000

Quote from a young John Wheeler “You are present and aware. That is what you are. Everything else simply arises and sets in this presence, which is ever-present and clear as that knowingness that knows and, therefore, transcends all appearances. That is it in a nutshell”

$4,000 plane ticket–not required

Imagining “you” “are in” a special room with hen house smells, honking horns, cigar smoke, and transmission oil smells”–not required

Fawning over the latest guru who amazingly understands english even though he speaks marathi (whoop-de-dooo)–not required

Reading above John Wheeler quote and seeing–FREE

Of course, the first 3 options are still available if staying in the spin cycle appeals to you

By: dan

dan — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:38:05 +0000

“just realize that you are THAT â€˜one without a secondâ€™. The â€˜momentâ€™ of realizing this is One Moment of Eternal realization.”

By: Robin

Robin — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:35:26 +0000

This pointer, “be conscious of being consciousness” is truly remarkable. It’s evident that it stops the mind and allows your true nature to be SEEN.

Thanks Gilbert for continuing to highlight this pointer!

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:41:27 +0000

“Be conscious of the consciousness – that is all you need” – paraphrasing Nisargadatta.
I suggest that you try this. Really try it.
The mind cannot divide while there is a being conscious of the consciousness.
Conscious Being.
It is not about holding concepts in the mind or dwelling on some idea.
Be conscious of the consciousness.
It is extremely simple and thought free. Thoughts may come and go but they are free of the reference point called ‘me’.

By: tomvds

tomvds — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:19:59 +0000

Following is a translation of an interesting conversation that was captured on tape by Jozef Nauwelaerts from (Where I live) Belgium :

Nisargadatta: “Every human being looks for support to depend upon. Never depend on anything! One should try and be independent. Only then can you analyse what you are.”
Translator: “It is for your existence, you don’t depend on anything. Without depending on anything, try to find out yourself what you are.”
Translator: “He’s pointing to you Mr. Paul”
Nisargadatta: “Can you analyse yourself, if you are seeking support from others? How can you stop your mind from thinking about yourself? To think about something else that’s not you. How would you think? You become thought free when you’re not thinking about yourself. If there’s nobody to help you, you seek support from “ISHWARA” i.e. “God”. “ISHWARA” is a word apart from you and you can think over. But again, you’re seeking God’s support. The question is whether you can think by yourself.”
Translator: “He said whenever you want to think, you ponder over something which you are not. Something other, to think on something else, not you. Then how to think on yourself? You cannot think. You become thought free.”
Translator: “Whenever you want to think, you think of something else, which is not you. Even you may bring a very noble thought “ISHWARA”. “ISHWARA” is a word apart from you, and you want to think over that. But can you think on your own self? That’s the question!”

By: Soul

Soul — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:46:59 +0000

“How can there be a higher self
and a lower self?… Self is Self”…

“This higher self and lower self… what kind of
colour or design does it have?”…

Great!”

and…….. “on this changeless state has come this temporary phase”.
Beautiful!
Thanks for these Gilbert. – Soul

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:01:05 +0000

There is no duality in Non Duality. No time, no space, no separation. The KNOWING is not in the pattern. The patterns of Ramana, Nisargadatta, Christ and Buddha were appearances of the ONE Essence…..just as yourself is an expression of that Singular Expression. There is no need to worship any guru – just realize that you are THAT ‘one without a second’. The ‘moment’ of realizing this is One Moment of Eternal realization. This is IT.
The expression is uninterrupted………
Some expressions are ‘advised’ by this understanding and other expressions not so. The expression is in all its diversity – all inclusive.
On the question of whether Nisargadatta understood English:
Yes, I hear that he understood quite a lot but he refused to speak English, except for a few words. I think this was an intelligent thing to do actually. Some of the translators were excellent with English. Ramesh did a good job as a translator and his first book is his best book in my opinion – “Pointers from Nisargadatta”. This tape is from 1981 and Maharaj was unable to speak so much because of his condition. A book from this period is called “Consciousness and the Absolute”. It is a very potent book. He was also able to SEE where someone was coming from, without the aid of language. In a way language gets in the way, even though it is necessary. One realizes that there is something else going on, something that we cannot put into words. It is wonderful to see these tapes ‘touching’ so many, 28 years after they were recorded. This is why I chose the name “Across Space and Time”. It is ONE Presence. In a certain way, when you feel that you are in that room, you ARE in that room. Presence is not a concept.
Warm regards – Gilbert.

By: Fenn

Fenn — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:00:25 +0000

Josef.

From the Upanishads through to Ramana, Consciousness is a synonym for Awareness, Self, Brahman, Oneness.

If there was a priorness to Brahman, it would have to be Brahman.

Consciousness as used in the Jean Dunn books seems to refer to the conscious mind (as opposed to subconscious mind or unconsciousness.)

So, in this context, yes, it might be said that prior to consciousness (mind/perceptions) there is Awareness (Consciousness.)

The mind and perceptions appear in/on Awareness/Consciousness.

In other words, Awareness/Consciousness is the ‘substance’ of the mind and perceptions.

So really there is no ‘prior’.

Consciousness/Awareness is the case RIGHT NOW!

By: Mary

Mary — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:34:54 +0000

Wow, Nisargadatta was so laser-sharp clear- fantastic. Felt like I was there. Beautiful music as always. Thank you Gilbert and Areti for sharing these recordings, what a gift. Gilbert, do you know if Nisargadatta understood English? It seemed sometimes that he knew the meaning of the speaker without translation. Just curious.

By: tomvds

tomvds — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:12:58 +0000

Hi Jozef,

Consider this clear pointer from Randall:

“So YOU do not appear. You are the invisible subjectivity in which all objects (body, mind and world) appear. Isn’t this the case in direct experience? Isn’t this pure subjectivity what we really mean by “I”? This open space, this pure activity of knowing?

Doesn’t this describe perfectly THAT which we “call” awareness?

So awareness is like the mirror, reflecting the world, body and mind. Ever-present, never changing. Pure experiencing itself. Like a presence – knowing itself.

The “I AM” is the identification in beliefs – identifying with something as a separate “thing” – object – body-mind or awareness. Awareness precedes the “one” who could identify.”

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 06:56:49 +0000

The Urban Guru Cafe is offering some of the clearest ‘pointing’ that is happening anywhere. There will always be the ‘spoil sports’ who want to express their grievances.
There is nothing more ‘selfish’ and bitter than a gross mind stuck in its own excrement.
It stinks from afar and has already alienated ‘that one’ from everyone, except for its own kind. There is no ‘entity’ anywhere – it is all appearances.
There is no answer in any amount of conceptualization.
The thing is that it is all too simple. Everyone overlooks it, they focus ‘out there’ with an ‘in here’. The ‘screen’ is filled with irrelevant details and the clear and obvious is missed, over and over and over again. What is offered here is a constant ‘pointing’ in a thousand ways to the ONE basic factor.
All ‘pointers’ are pointing at it.
Taking yourself to be a separate individual, limits the view and the message slips by over and over.
‘At some point’ some small living expression ‘touches’ ‘something’ in us and an unexpected response arises. This response is what we call a resonance in being.
The view changes in a most subtle and expansive manner. The mind of habit misses it – why? – because it is already preoccupied.
SEEING is not passing through the mind’s ‘me’ before the registration of impressions happens. Naming things is always ‘after’ the impressions have ‘landed’.
As my first teacher once said:
“The only time your need patience, is when there is impatience”.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 03:57:17 +0000

Deeper is volume, space. Space is an appearance and time cannot be separated from space. They appear together. Can you grasp space? Can you grasp time or duration?
With what will you grasp them?
It is a favorite thing for ‘special gurus and teachers’ to advise the seeker to go deeper, deeper to find the truth. It is total crap and a mind game, sure to keep the seeker bound in never finding what they are looking for. It is ignorance parading as special knowledge. It is a sickness, and these chaps do get sick. They make the sickness into something holy. “Don’t worry, I will be with you” is often sprouted from these deluded souls.
The direct message is brief and simple. No psychotropic nonsense to it. It is simple yet few ‘hear it’ or they hear it and instantly dismiss it, due to the addiction to conceptualizing everything. So, keep it simple.
Can you find a self-center with any substance?
What will you grasp it with?
Who is grasping what?
START from the only FACT that you are certain of – the fact of your own existence – being.
The only ‘thing’ you can ‘do’ this with is the KNOWING.
Nothing appears outside of the knowing.
The appearance of a ‘knower’ and the ‘known’ are both composed of space and time.
The KNOWING is prior to space and time.
How do I know this? It is obvious, clear and present, before thought comes in with its habitual ideas about ‘things’. All these appearances are equal and connot be separated from the knowing essence that you are.
There is no answer in the conceptualizing.
The constant conceptualizing is whirling around a false sense of self.
Drop the idea of being a ‘self’ and SEE.
The small baby has no idea about a ‘me’. The natural state is functioning without psychological suffering. That only arrives with the learned words and ideas of, ‘me’ and ‘other than me’. Experience fortifies these ideas of separation and the ‘I am-ness’ is added with a story, more words. This gives the sense of separation some fabricated sensations of being separate. This activity is maintained repeatedly, decade after decade. Until the NEWS arrives that maybe it is not real. So it is questioned.
It cannot stand up to this investigation, because it isn’t real.
The essence of what you are has NEVER appeared as something separate.
Remove the belief and the whole story loses its sting.
These points are expressed over and over. Why is it not recognized?
Because the subtle evidence is not a gross sensation and the mind is worn out by addiction to grossness – the ‘me’ is not expanded and examined.
Nothing is more subtle than this activity ‘knowing’. The most subtle fabric and the most subtle concepts ‘appear’ on this activity of ‘knowing’.
The resistance and the inability to making this investigation is the ‘me’, a dead weight that dulls the reception.
Like a gross humm on the Radio signal, you can’t hear the refined sounds that are actually there.
You are not that habitual mind noise, ‘me’. It is a ‘representative’ of no thing.
Your no thing-ness is what all this appearance appears out of.
There is no duration to the appearance. Every appearance disappears.
Someone dies and the concept of death haunts you. You don’t want to not exist.
You LOVE to BE. SO……..then……..LOVE it and stop complaining.
Someone at the funeral says “Life goes on”.
LIFE is all there is. It knows nothing of death.
Insisting on being this little ‘me’, excludes the obvious cosmic nature of awareness.
The message sinks in……..and unexpectedly intelligence acts with an irreversible intent.
WHO is waiting for that ‘event’?
It is here now, but you ignore it in favor of this ridiculous story of ME.
Stop thought and SEE if there truly are any problems HERE and NOW.

By: Mike in SF

Mike in SF — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 03:36:46 +0000

Any chance of blocking Jesse’s ip address?
Editor: I have assigned him or her to the spam folder ages ago – but as with many ‘pests’ they can crawl through the smallest aperture.

By: Steven Witt

Steven Witt — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 02:12:52 +0000

Drop it ALL and just drink this in.

It is a PURE tribute to Gilbert and Areti….

A voice of an angel and words to match…sung in Sydney no less not long ago.

Google search youtube, K D Lang and Infinite – a beautiful song.

love Steve

By: Josef

Josef — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 01:02:41 +0000

I must concretize:

Existence is. No seperation. No thoughts required. How is it possible to go deeper or somewhere else? It is not possible. I would have to use thoughts in order to search for something “deeper”.

Without getting caught up in thoughts the only thing that is undeniable for me is the fact of existence, or presence, or being, or this space in which everything is contained – call it what you want.

What is befor “being”? Or what is the “light” before being? In my opinion this questions canÂ´t be answered. They questions itself are only appareances in being.

Please correct me, if I wrote bullshit.

Warm regards

Josef

By: Josef

Josef — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 00:46:16 +0000

Good Morning Gilbert,

i am a little confused when i hear the tapes of nisargadatta or read his books. I have problems with words like “consciousness” an “prior to consciousness” and “before consciousness” and so on. Perhaps my translation is wrong and a reason for not understanding this.

The main problem is probably caused by trying to understand it. Then I am caught up in the mind game again. This is the wrong direcion. Thoughts are the wrong tool.

I recently was reading writings of Jean-Pierre Gomez. He keeps it very simple and uses only common words. He wrote:

“The ultimate Truth is so simple that it is laughable. Have a look at your own existence. Look at your own being. You are alive right now. You are aware of being. That is IT. It is awareness of being. ‘I’ exist right here and now is the Sought-after Truth.”

“I” understand, what Mr. Gomez is writing. “I” dontÂ´t mean a intellectual understanding, it is realy known and very obvious. And “I” donÂ´t speak of the words “I am”. I am speaking of this knowing, this spacious presence, without words or thoughts.

Without thinking, existence is. Its obvious. No seperation, not time, and very ordinary.

But sometimes in hearing Nisargadatta it sounds complicated to me. Or for example Charlie Hayes wrote in a comment a bit above:

“Donâ€™t give any energy of belief to the mental noise. That noise comes and goes. You are forever I AM and even before that, IT IS. You are the Light prior to I AM that allows you to BE and KNOW.”

I read quite the same on John Wheelers Website.

Then questions come up, like: “What does he mean by the Light prior to I am?”

I donÂ´t know what that means.

And while writing this “I” realize that I am caught up in the mind game again. Only thoughts.

Without thinking and without the words “I am” or “prior to I am”, being is indisputable.

But although I want to ask: What do Charlie or John or Nisargadatta want to say, when they are speaking of “prior to I am” or “prior to consciousness”?

Are they speaking of this ordinary certainty of being? Or are they talking about something “deeper”?

In my investigation there is no way to get deeper. Being is the fact, with or without thoughts there is this indisputable fact of existence.

Is this meant by prior to consciousness or prior to I am. Or do “I” miss something?

Warm regards

Josef

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:41:53 +0000

New Header Graphic on the UGC. Hit the refresh button and see it.

By: Charlie Hayes

Charlie Hayes — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:19:08 +0000

Hi Robin,
Here and Now, where are you? Here and Now You ARE. Thank GOD? OK, that’s thanking your Self.
I AM YOU ARE I AM.
That’s the Peace that is prior to what appears.
Try to not BE here now.
That shows what you ARE is always.
So what? So Nothing … have the courage to BE No Thing.
No Guru needed.
Nothing special.

This Is IT.
LIFE.
Love it or leave it.

By: Kimo (Jim)

Kimo (Jim) — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:19:03 +0000

‘Where are you seeing from?’ – That’s not a bad pointer, but we don’t really need to say in unison “from no-where” or “it’s empty–that cognizing emptiness”. Put all the non-duality jargon aside and all the little buzz words you’re supposed to think of in being an aspirant. Can you deny existence of a “perceiving core”? Isn’t that perceiving core here as a condition for anything else that’s arising? Including the thoughts that come on-board of being a body-mind? You must already be there as a “perceiving core” for any appearance to register or for any appearance to be mistakenly identified with. Nothing can be found that’s doing the knowing, but plenty seems to be arising and disappearing in the knowing. When you go to the bathroom, do you frantically dive into the toilet bowl after you’re done to grab the excrement because you’re identified with it as who you are since it arose from the body? I doubt it! Same thing with the knowing that you are. All these body-minds arise within it. Undoubtedly, the body deserves to be treated with respect but will suffer the same fate as that excrement–arises then turns to dust. Why are you frantically grabbing on to something (your body/thoughts) that you pooped out of consciousness?

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:15:53 +0000

“Actung. Today, Ve have some good news und some bad news. Ze Good news is that everyone vill get a change of underveer. Group A will change vith gr………
Crackle, crackle……tune, tune…..
Sorry, we seem to have lost communication for a moment. Apparently the Dial is slipping and the Radio goes off beam and the UGC gets replaced by U Get Stuffed.
It is a national problem. They made a movie about it years ago, remember, “One Flew Over the Kookoo Nest”.
“Jesse or is that Pedro, can you come to the treatment room please. The behavior is a little off color today. Just a little shock treatment this morning for ya – thank you”.
“Psst, Kimo, Where is that pillow I had earlier”. Smiling at Jesse, “That’s it, just through here, you can go play in the garden later. Yes, I know, its All One. We have purchase a ‘little block of land for you out back. You’ll like it there. It’s a bit frosty in the mornings but you will be snug as a bug in a rug (or box). Now, we will just put these little metal clips on various parts of the body.”

Thank you everyone for putting up with these misfits, they deserve to have a place in the scheme of things. Unfortunately most of those places were closed by the Government some years ago. So they wander around with the rest of us. The medication is also very expensive these days. And the best news is this……You don’t have to read the comment pages.
It is funny though, isn’t it. These ones who speak as if they have the total understanding and continuously get pissed off at Gilbert’s or someone else’s ‘ego display’ are exceptionally entertaining. Yet rather boring after a couple of comments.
Substance abuse is involuntary and behavior is spontaneous.
What a wonderful dream, what a wonderful virtual reality this is. And it is FREE…..wow.

By: Robin

Robin — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:16:35 +0000

Kimo,

Yes, I agree, Gilbert has tremendous patience…more patience than I even have for myself!

If, in say, 10 years time, I am STILL reading these words: “Where are you SEEING from?”, I’m jumping off a bridge…

The true guru is OneSelf…you already are what you seek! Thank God!!!

By: Kimo (Jim)

Kimo (Jim) — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:05:07 +0000

BTW, the crackhead who dabbles in non-duality with the few insights, the misguided person who found enlightenment, the crazy enlightenment guy who lives in solitude and drug infested communities, the guy who writes non-duality books and is horrible at it, the guy who writes non-duality and is great at it, the guy who writes everything Gilbert ordains as something worthwhile to say, the seeker, the dreamer who never started seeking….. None of those are who you are. If you’re one of those “done good” types there’s no resting in enlightenment either. That wakefulness never changes and never went from unenlightened to enlightened status. Nothing that appears in it can be claimed as an identity or as a resting place. Make your spouse happy today / upset her tomorrow. Hear Sailor Bob call you a sage today and a crackpot tomorrow. Who cares? That knowing THAT CONTAINS IT ALL–did it ever change?

By: milton

milton — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:58:44 +0000

“It is easy to keep the message very simple and profound but it is rarely heard that way.”

There may be more who like it that way than you think. G- thanks for saving the plow blade some time and sharpening. However, you may have missed some of the mess.

By: Kimo (Jim)

Kimo (Jim) — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:47:43 +0000

Gilbert already asked me about a year ago for an interview and I respectfully declined due to lack of adequate internet resources where I lived in the world at the time. Gilbert and all these guys who say they have no patience for seekers have a lot more patience than most. What would be the point in constant coaxing and talking to myself (which is yourself) about non-duality (whether on an interview or in a book–writing on this website is enough for now). Where one seeker disappears another arises in its place. The manifestation is amazing in the way it all appears–every need arising to meet another need–isn’t it extraordinary all of the roles/characters/activity being played in this knowingness?

By: Sully

Sully — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:14:51 +0000

Jesse..it’s evident that you only write all your crap while Gilbert is sleeping because you know he will delete all of it…you’re a coward!

And…No surprise that you know all about “that salty taste on the back of your tongue”!!!!

By: Robin

Robin — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:48:42 +0000

Kimo,

I’ll know I’m “cooked all the way” when every single nondual book that I’ve purchased is gone for good! It’s like what Nisargadatta said regarding the most you can do for someone is to get them to stop seeking…A “true teacher” would be one who knows he has “done his job” when NO ONE is in the room waiting to here anything! Silence…

Is it obvious I want to be done with this? And my prayer (ha-ha) is that I NEVER write a book or set up a website!

By: mark

mark — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:20:36 +0000

Hey Jesse, your chronic flatulence might explain your lack of intestinal fortitude
And thinking that your comments are an expression of your Love for Gilbert is a turn-around even Byron Katie won’t get her head around !

By: Kimo (Jim)

Kimo (Jim) — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:14:40 +0000

It is a lofty ideal appearing in consciousness. But it’s pointing to reality. You’ve mentioned it yourself more than once. That freaking knowing is the constant. Amazing how we talk about it at length and Gilbert is so patient mentioning it over and over and over and in so many different ways. Everything is appearing and disappearing in the knowing. Always that way. Saying that there’s no entity doing this and KNOWING that this is true is profound but yet simple. The knowing never gets enlightened. The seeker never knew anything. The knowing is ever-present. Anyone reading this–don’t think spirituality, don’t think non-duality correctness, don’t think this is a slick con-job by Sailor Bob INC. or anybody else. The knowing is the most obvious “thing” and it’s always been that way. If you realize there is knowing or “awareness” but you don’t feel “cooked all the way”–have heart; just stick with it and “you’ll” see the simplicity of it.

By: Kimo (Jim)

Kimo (Jim) — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:52:33 +0000

Wow! That last post by Jesse gives new meaning to the phrase “nothing remains the same in the appearance”. Saw the post change at least three times by either Jesse or the editor. The first iteration wasn’t too bad except that questioning motives is like a Russian wooden doll where you open one and another is inside. Stating that it’s all appearing in the knowing is spot on–but Jesse’s harassment of Gilbert and my standing up for Gilbert BOTH arise in the knowing. There’s not a harassment of Gilbert that goes excused “because it’s happening in the knowing” and then an error on Kimo’s part for calling him on that. The harassment and the correcting BOTH arise in the knowing. Hey, this is a little like non-duality on toast. Time to stop!

By: Robin

Robin — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:41:59 +0000

What is really bugging “me” is how come (in the appearance) almost every “no one” who has had a direct experience or SEEING of what they truly are ends up with a website and/ or book? At the same time, these “sharers of the truth” claim there is “no one” there claiming anything? The irony of it all is, here I am reading ALL these websites and books. It appears to be an addiction on both sides…

By: Kimo (Jim)

Kimo (Jim) — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:34:39 +0000

Yeah, you’re right Sailor Jesse. Why question why the weeds grow among the flowers or among the manure? “It’s just a happening” (Using my best Ramesh impersonation there).

By: Kimo (Jim)

Kimo (Jim) — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:58:00 +0000

The more posts by Jesse, the more I’ll have to revise my statement that 40% of the comments could be useful to a seeker. More like “Posted by Jesse on 04.15.09 12:19 am” is the only decent post and not much else. Hey, I enjoy an equalizer as much as anybody and enjoy someone taking a few of the rough cocky edges off Gilbert once in awhile. But, all in all, he’s a really good guy and one of the most fun in the non-duality bunch. He also knows what he’s talking about most of the time so why give him too much crap?

By: Kimo (Jim)

Kimo (Jim) — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:45:51 +0000

A peculiar thing still happens nearly every morning. A rush of stories/detailed planning and a constricted identified feeling happens upon entering the waking state and then subsides in less than 20 seconds or so automatically into the clear open view (always there of course but the recognition becomes clear and obvious). Reference points happen throughout the day of course as a fully functioning responsible member of society, but the funny thing is there are times when there is a trying (like a game) to see if I can identify with something and it can’t be done. Attention can rest on the body or thoughts but no identification happens even if it’s forced. But morning comes and the “old friend” chirps away again like clockwork. Bob says he doesn’t mind the chattering. Of course thoughts happen all day long, not just in the morning, but maybe it’s because they don’t seem very obvious and seem to subside effortlessly into the knowing where they came from. Not talking strategies here or preferences for a “somebody” with assumed progress. Just reporting in layman’s terms what happens in a practical sense.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:13:36 +0000

A bit of fun is all part of it. But silly comments and unnecessary bantering will be removed.
We don’t expect everyone to plow through a mess of psychotic mumbo jumbo.
The program is the topic of these comment pages. Once it strays off the track it just turns into another Non duality chat site. There are plenty of those to visit if you want. Almost all of them are ego tripping scenes and non duality jargon on toast. Disturbed minds love it to pieces. This site is fairly clean, so let’s keep it that way. Some ‘good stuff’ shows up here and many enjoy reading the various comments. It has to be managed or it soon turns to chaos. Not everyone is genuinely looking for their own true nature. Some just want to prop up their fabricated self-image. They have a couple of insights and then they believe that they are an expert on ‘the subject’. Other’s are convinced that they are an enlightened being, living amongst the ignorant population. They hide away in the hills like a hermit or are simply socially inept. Often they live in drug riddled settlements, amongst their own kind. They find an outlet on a site like this. They will be dealt with simply by deleting their rantings and ravings. They always hide behind a fabricated name and an odd sounding email address. They never have the intestinal fortitude to give their ‘real’ name. They probably can’t give their name out because too many already know that they are ‘a nutter’, so they are forced to hide behind a false name, just so they can get a little boost for their equally fabricated ego. I am not speaking of anyone in particular here. There have been quite a few. Such bravery is rewarded appropriately. This ‘scene’ has its fair share of Whacky Wombats. I say to them….”Take a Pill and have a lay down”….. “You might feel better tomorrow”.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 09:40:29 +0000

There is only ONE light. It shines from every portal in all directions without ever being located or fixed in any one place. Light appears to move but it is actually One Presence, One Omni-Radiance, unchanging and unaltered by HOW it appears.
See if you can find yourself, or pin point the knowing presence.
It is actually everywhere.
YES everywhere – even in the ordinary experience – what can you SEE without this light? Darkness?
By what light is the darkness perceived?
It is your imagination that is the problem dearest one.
Even in the space from where you are seeing from there is the light of consciousness. Just because it is clear and empty doesn’t mean it is a void.
You are right there, which is ‘here’. HERE and NOW is all there IS. When did you ever leave this here and now?
Only in the imagination.

Try and catch a sunbeam. The ‘speed’ of light is stillness.
Can your mind be still, enough to SEE what IS?

Ah……….contemplate these things, dear one.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 09:25:46 +0000

Yes and the practice is swallowed by consciousness, the mind is dissolved in consciousness.
Who is afraid of this?
In the clear space of knowing, that you ARE, the mind has not even started.
This moment has no beginning and no end.
“I AM – the Alpha and the Omega”.
Nisargadatta says: “Stay with that ‘I am-ness”. Not the words ‘I am’.
Stay with that sense of presence.
Being conscious of that consciousness is just another way of saying the same……non-thing.
No method or practice can take you to what you already are and there is no time that you were NOT. Why postulate a time when there was no knowing?
What consciousness is there apart from THIS?
There is NO answer in the mind.
Understanding is NOT in the mind.
The mind is dualistic and cannot replicate ONE. It’s replication is always TWO.
It is a reflection only.
The reflection of your face in a mirror has no power to speak or move.
Find the source of this life essence.
You cannot get behind this Knowing.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 05:38:04 +0000

It is the shaking of the box that allows the pattern to appear clearly. As a jumbled and scattered concoction of conflicting thought patterns, the obvious is seemingly obscured.
So, the mere message that ‘You are THAT’ doesn’t register all that well for most.
The doubts have to be cleared away. The niggling questions need to be brought out into the open. This ‘forum’ is an excellent means for this. It also is entertaining for all concerned. Why do hundreds keep coming back for more?
Maybe because there is a lot less spiritual bullshit and mesmerizing stuff going on.
It is easy to keep the message very simple and profound but it is rarely heard that way.
The fish must be enticed into the net by whatever means possible.
Once the net starts to close up and get closer than the me can stand, the net is seen for what it is. And the me is also seen for what it is.
There is more going on here than meets the eye or mind and infinitely far less, also.
Words are words. The cognition is irrefutable.

By: Kimo (Jim)

Kimo (Jim) — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 04:23:22 +0000

Enlightenment is just a conceptual trinket in the vastness that you ALREADY ARE.

By: Kimo (Jim)

Kimo (Jim) — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 04:14:47 +0000

There’s no-one who is enlightened and conversely no-one who “isn’t there yet”. These enlightened characters, these “non-duality correct” characters who aren’t enlightened but “wink-wink” are enlightened, these suffering seeking characters–are all phenomena appearing in what you are/I am. Phenomena appears in what you are RIGHT NOW. Not after going to the best Satsangs, not after understanding everything Nisargadatta says, not after understanding all that Gilbert says…It’s all appearing in what you are right now. Why ignore this?

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 03:59:26 +0000

If you have ever been a member of a choir, you will know the ‘moment’ when the song ends. As the song disappears into the silence. To describe this moment is impossible.
Advaita Vedanta means (as I see it) One without a second. Dvaita means 2. A-dvaita means Not Two. Vedanta means ‘The end of the Vedas’. The Rig-Veda is an ancient song.
Written down or spoken, it appears as a poem.
In other words: When everything is said and done, when the effort to understand fades into silence, when the song is over, One without a second reveals its ever present nature.
To postulate ‘this moment’ as somewhere other than right here, right now, is to miss it.
There is no last word. Spike Milligan arranged his tombstone long before he ‘passed away’.
He was a comedian. The tombstone says: “I told you I was not well” (or something very similar). So, visitors to his grave site still get a laugh. The idea of the joke appeared in this presence. The stone mason carved the words in this presence. The visitor laughs in this presence. There is no separation. Full Stop. Yet LIFE goes on……and on…..or appears to go on. Did it ever move away from THIS?
The tension of believing that ‘I am separate’, when seen through, often brings spontaneous laughter – a release from ‘years’ of recurring unnecessary tension.
Everything disappears into the emptiness that it appears from. There is no duration to the appearance. This is clearly Obvious right now.
“Yet the universe stands ever before your eyes” (as the Hsin Hsin Ming expresses).

By: Kimo (Jim)

Kimo (Jim) — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 03:12:23 +0000

There’s room in here for all expressions–the rude guy, the satsang giver making lots of money, the non-guru guru who writes long confusing messages about something so simple, the shock jock…Bright shiny objects may appear but there’s no identification with them. That unpossessed awareness remains untouched and contains all. No appearance, no matter how slick the presentation or how crass the presentation belongs to a separate administrator of the truth or stands outside who I am. You’re talking to yourself. Answering yourself. And playing with yourself. All appears in what I Am.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:16:25 +0000

It is all smoke and mirrors. Great show though.

By: dorothy hoffman

dorothy hoffman — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:10:34 +0000

Is there an “egomaniac” “within” an egomaniac? Is there a Jerry “within” Jerry? Is there a Gilbert “within” Gilbert? If so, try separating yourself from consciousness. Which part is the You? Isn’t it all play of one consciousness?

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:59:43 +0000

(In the appearance of things) When I was a kid, Jerry Lewis had me in fits of laughter, along with thousands and thousands of other kids and adults. Charlie Hayes ‘chased the flag’ and peed in a bottle at 150 miles an hour, when I was a young adult.
The irrefutable fact is the intelligence energy is manifesting as the WHOLE.
As Bob so simply puts it: It is “One Essence, expressing and appearing as Everything”.
There is NO separation. It is only the mind and its conceptualizations that APPEAR to divide the indivisible.
Where are you SEEING from?
Seeing is prior to the minds content. Therefore the minds content is seen.
If the mind was prior to the seeing (eg: the ME sees) then the seeing would be known as some ‘thing’ appearing in the consciousness. But no one can see the seeing.
All you can do is be conscious of the consciousness.
In my experience, blatant, rude and offensive language is far too provocative for clear pointing. The best it can do is shock.
LIFE provides ALL the shocks one needs and intelligence is ‘behind’ it all.
It is only a ‘me’ that can be offended.
I am of the opinion that the UGC provides a fairly balanced menu. There is something here for ‘everyone’.
I just read a note, written by a popular guru, sent out to all his devotees. Frankly it is all bullshit, all flower power and suggestive nonsense, packaged in non duality jargon.
Once upon a time, it would have made me want to puke. Now, it just appears as it is.
Ironically these gurus get very ill from all of their teaching activities. It sure looks like addictive behavior. They are obviously believing in the ‘savior’ mind complex.
They die and everyone makes them into a hero. A dead guru is a safe guru. He can no longer challenge the seeker.
However, these tapes of Nisargadatta ARE delivering a potent message 28 years after the ‘event’. It does this because where he ‘was’ coming from – is the SAME emptiness that your body appears in. The introduction to your true nature is timelessly available.
A natural respect appears spontaneously in this direct and immediate knowing.
‘People’ accuse ‘me’ of all sorts of ‘things’ but they do not know who they are.
When they know who they are, no accusations will be made.
There is ONLY ONE self……or in other words…….there is NO self.
I am THAT.

By: Jerry Lewis

Jerry Lewis — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:38:57 +0000

Okay, so intelligence patterns itself. The various human bodies are patterns — with liver patterns, and heart patterns appearing in them; vascular and molecular patterns within those, and subatomic patterns within those, etc.

The mind is a pattern too, right? Why shouldn’t there be thoughts to ‘improve upon’ forms and patterns — such as “study” and “work,” even if it be in the guise of “egocentric drive.” A “me” making its “mark in the world”?

There wouldn’t be abacuses, adding machines, or computers. Let alone these fandangled internets if it weren’t for ‘egomaniacs’ lost in the dream creating this shit for ‘militaries’ and such. There wouldn’t even be the music you pilfer for your podcasts, or the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) which you shirk if not for “egomania,” correct?

I doubt any of this shiznazzle would be taking place if we all sat around selling smokes…

Also, heretical as it sounds, I’d kinda rather hear you interview Jesse over Charlie Hayes.

PS I think you need the Holy Spirit, Gilbert. REVIVAL has come to UGC!

Anyway, half-kidding. Food for indigestion…

Warm & moist,
J.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:06:10 +0000

Extract from “The First Instant”, a book by Gilbert (2004)
Regarding listening to ‘one who knows’ – hearing the ‘pointer’.
“The profoundness (tasted) is the living vibration of unobstructed expression. It is expressed from immediate knowing along with a reciprocating resonance in yourself. It is not some memorized thing that he is telling you. He (or she) IS the Knowing of what he (or she) says.”
No separation.
Such a revelation demolishes all concepts about time, ‘years of practice’ and even the concept of some sacred transmission, darshan etc.
POINTING is the IMMEDIACY and you are THAT.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:07:56 +0000

In the appearance ‘we’ are drawn towards or repelled away.
Start from the fact that you are that ONE without a second.
What need of talk about any ‘person’ is there in that?
Good will to all men may seem like an honorable thing to feel.
What feeling can there be, without that life essence or the consciousness?
As Nisargadatta says in this program: “Be conscious of that consciousness” – that is all one needs.
Try it.
You will see that the mind cannot divide anything while there is this activity of knowing present.
Then the realization ‘comes’ that this knowing is all that there is.
Equanimity is tasted.

By: Sergio

Sergio — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:59:39 +0000

I have a question :

Do must one “person” first, be genuinely attracted to this truths ?

I mean, one person, with the “One essence” book, for example…

It isnÂ´t the real interest, and real power what is this about ?

Seems there is no real power in the books or podcasts, or whatever, it isnÂ´t the real power the interest of the “seeker” ?

I think so…

I mean, without that interest, the books and etc, are useless, that is my experience in what i see, from people.

The books or podcasts can be correct…. but what if there is no genuine interest ?

The house crumbles… i think this is not said in the books, or in any place.

Real interest must be present first. This is the first manifestation from our self.

Then you can find the correct person, book, site, or whatever is needed.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:34:32 +0000

The one who ‘thinks’ he sees accusations where there is none, is playing with himself.
The ‘one’ who ‘thinks’ he sees duality where there is no duality is post ‘a la separation’ – dualistic content of mind.
No one ever gets shocked out of concepts. The seeming ‘someone’ is a concept.
Concepts only appear to play with themselves.
There is no way out of the dream – in the dream.
What you truly are has NEVER ever appeared.
Where are you seeing from?
Is there a ‘you’ that is seeing?
There is only SEEING.
Everything appears in the seeing.

Gilbert is just the magician stirring stick. When the pot is stirred up, many things come to the surface. They pop and merge into space, back into emptiness.
What conditioning do ‘you’ have, of there is no thinking about it?
What you are has never ever appeared.
From an email response:
Conceptualizing is the problem – belief in concepts. The mind claims what does not belong to it.
The claim itself is a concept and what it claims is also a conceptualization of the pure functioning which is NEVER a concept.
SEEING is clear and empty of concepts. KNOWING is clear and empty of concepts.
Understanding is wordless and silent.
The ‘space’ between the insight and the mind claiming it, is expanded by being conscious of consciousness.
The mind cannot play its games while you are conscious of consciousness. ( the word ‘you’ is used simply to designate that immediate knowing)
This is extremely simple. Everyone passes over such simplicity………
Give it some space. I am not talking bullshit…………all there is is KNOWING………….and these words come directly out of this KNOWING.

By: Kimo (Jim)

Kimo (Jim) — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:16:00 +0000

Thank you for not erasing those Jesse obnoxious comments. About 40% of his stuff was decent pointing. Reading his stuff can shock someone out of concepts and back to the simplicity of this stuff. All DOES appear in the knowing; the seeming moments of consistent clarity by this one, the on again/off again clear comments by this one, and the obnoxious comments by the other one. All arise in that one consciousness. Nothing ever arises or appears separate from the knowing. Also, “the one who accuses others of playing with themselves is playing with himself” (Nisargadatta/Exodus 3:14)

By: suki

suki — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:32:46 +0000

Awareness is always up stream from any conceptualization – all else can be negated except this!
Keep it simple.
Warm rgds, suki

By: gilbert

gilbert — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:28:10 +0000

Stop playing with yourself.

It is extremely simple. (That is why everyone misses it)
It isn’t in the conceptualizations. They are ‘post’ pure understanding.
Understanding is word-less, concept-less.
The mind is â€˜timeâ€™, the mind is â€˜meâ€™.
Awareness is timeless.
The â€˜meâ€™ cannot see. How can a concept see?
Where are you truly SEEING from? Or where is the seeing happening?
It must be from timeless awareness.
Whatever concept you think you have about this is simply content of mind.
What is aware of this content.
The content changes consistently.
The awareness of the content is consistently present, whether â€˜youâ€™ believe it is or not.
Doubt is a thought.
The mind can and must be understood.
WHY postulate anything?
SEE and KNOW.
Understanding is silent.
Understanding is NOT in the mind.

By: milton

milton — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:55:13 +0000

Why postulate at all?

A: “Have any of these transient thought patterns ever blocked this clear presence?”

B: “Yes, most of the time.”

A: “Where are all those thought from yesterday?”

B: “Lots of the recurring patterns repeat themselves, I don’t know where they go or come from.”

A: “What conditioning is there if you do not think about it?”

B: “I don’t know. It seems to be there before thought arises, in fact, much of what I think and feel seems to arise out of conditioning.”

A:”Ha. What a joke. Can you laugh about it?”

B: “Yes, all the time. Along with some crying.”

A: “You have been tricking yourself, a trickster, a conjurer of a fantasy about â€˜meâ€™.”

B: “Yes it is a nasty game I play with myself.”

By: dan

dan — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:30:08 +0000

Interesting point made by Gilbert:

“Why postulate a â€˜timeâ€™ when there was no knowing?”

Only yesterday did a rampant investigation arise ‘here’ very similar to this sentiment. For those who simply read and/or repeat pointers I would advise going right into the heart of what is being pointed to. Make the investigation. Everything that we really take to be solid reality actually rests on very flimsy concepts and wishy-washy conclusions. It is tantamount to vacuum cleaning the front room but leaving the dust in the corners…. “that’ll do…. job done.” It is a half-finished job.

If the idea that “I am the body” or “I am the mind” is really believed in as SOLID DIRECT EXPERIENCE then this should have some solid foundations, shouldn’t it? Where is the evidence? Where are these foundations?

You can even play devil’s advocate for a while…. you can even ‘play’ with this! This insight alone should highlight the “false as false.” Assert the very belief that you are the body/mind…….. see how long you can maintain this for. It takes a fair amount of effort. Build up this belief like a tower so that it can be smashed right back down again:

If the body/mind is PRIMARY and Awareness is secondary then HOW would you even know that the body/mind was there in the first instant anyway? There would be no evidence for it as the Awareness which is necessary for such a body/mind to appear would not have been present.

What an utterly ludicrous and IMPOSSIBLE situation!!!!

The whole point becomes moot. And harks back to Gilbert’s pointer:

“Why postulate a â€˜timeâ€™ when there was no knowing?”

How could you?

The whole fantasy show crumbles under its own impossible weight.

It is obvious that the primary, essential ingredient is THAT timeless NO-THING upon which all time-bound things can then appear.

Try to challenge this NO-THING in the same way. Any challenge rises and falls back down into that same no-thing which must be present and aware for any challenge to arise in the first place.

It always comes back down to the changeless essence.

It is the common factor.

It beats ‘you’ to the punch every time.

By: mark

mark — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:19:10 +0000

“The back pocket nerve is a tender one for some and a history of feeling guilty can bring a barrage of abusive comments”

It’s All well KNOWING FULL-well that “nothing is ever hurt, except FEELINGS” – H.S.

By: Tazzy

Tazzy — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:11:37 +0000

You were right about the recordings…they really put you there in Beedy Baba’s pad, thanks and “Can I have some more please?” luv Tazzy.

By: Nisargadatta Says

Nisargadatta Says — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:45:37 +0000

“If you continue in the realm of the intellect, you will become entangled and lost in more and more concepts.”

By: Jenny

Jenny — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:32:12 +0000

Just wanted to express gratitude to the UGC and this podcast … went to the bone
– Jenny

By: Jerry Lewis

Jerry Lewis — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:50:00 +0000

How about AUD50 if Charlie Hayes doesn’t make an appearance…?
Editor: The NOT Charlie is worth a lot more than that, isn’t he?

By: gilbert

gilbert — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:49:03 +0000

Thanks Charlie. Your sentiments are well meaning.
Let’s stick to the message and not get side tracked too much. Questions and doubts can be dealt with. The back pocket nerve is a tender one for some and a history of feeling guilty can bring a barrage of abusive comments. So let’s allow this ‘money’ and ‘the ability to respond’ issue fall where it may.
How did the interview go on “never not here”? I will take a listen soon.
By the way folks, Charlie will make an appearance on the UGC soon.
The irony of the situation is that if I went back into Commercial Radio, I could make 2 grand a week with less time for this work. AND…. the content on Commercial Radio would be ‘common consciousness trash’ and never touch upon these essential points that are continuously covered on the Urban Guru Cafe.

By: Charlie Hayes

Charlie Hayes — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:33:35 +0000

With great love and respect for all who arrive at this last house in the dream of individuality: making a small offering to Truth and the incredible gift of the radical freedom on offer here is a privilege that I suggest those who reap the benefit of the end of seeking and suffering take advantage of. You only give to your own Self.
Even a small offering, say $33US, will be of use in the ‘practical world-appearance’ of broken vehicles needing attention and such luxuries as food and shelter!
I invite those who have gained Nothing to join me. Gilbert makes no requests for support for this labor-intensive effort. So this is ‘My INVITATION’ and all are free to decline or accept.
No rules, just right, as they say at “Outback steak house”.
Love to all and to all a good night )