39. Interview with Bob Adamson #2 – part 1
Posted May 11, 2009
By areti
Areti interviews Bob with some great questions. Bob answers in his direct and simple usual fashion. This interview is bound to resonate with anyone who is already opening up to the message.
There are download-able meetings on Bob’s Website.
Music by Annour Brahem and one piece by Eric Satie.
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This program is a relaxed interview with Bob and some very salient points are expressed.
Warm regards – Gilbert.
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SO great to hear Bob point out his “take” on the issues of medication, addictions, etc … I suspect there are many boozers/druggies ‘like me” that will get huge value from these points. Great big thanks as always to you, Bob, and you, Areti, and you, Gilbert from “a grateful ex-boozer!” Remembering something an earlier “teacher” said, “all there is, is “me’ and “me called not-me”. What’s a You anyway? Ha! The best to “Y’ALL” as we say on OK!
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SO Potent.
Thanks Bob, Areti and Gilbert.
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Yes, Great podcast, folks.
I had a feelin that bob had been in the program>>> Way Cool~!
Again, Paul Hedderman of zenbitchslap.com would be a nice one to have on here.
Methinks that there are a lot of us that have had drinking/using challenges in our lives.
Go G & A~!
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I can´t understand Bob with my primitive english knowledge. He speaks to fast for me, also the audio qualitiy is excellent. What a shame! But its my fault. I should have been more watchful at school
Warm regards
Josef
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ONE is real.
TWO… imagination.
Warm regards
Fernando
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Josef, listen to the program without being concerned about understanding the words.
Listen as if you are listening to an orchestra or a cello. Things will open up a little more each time the program goes through you.
For anyone else, who doesn’t have a language problem, there are many salient points in this program and it may need to be heard a few times.
Warm regards – Gilbert.
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Josef, it may also help reading pointers and text from Bob’s website or other non-duality sites so you catch the words when they are spoken by Bob. One site could be thenaturalstate.org which also has lots of non-duality links.
There are also other interviews with Bob in this site that have transcripts in the comments. You can read and listen over and over to get a feeling for his accent. Then listen this interview with the volume high and without concern for understanding every word.
Just ideas which may help.
My main language is spanish but now Bob’s pointers are very clear even when some words are not understood.
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Who the hell needs a costly and sunny retreat when you are ALREADY that??
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Great podcast, great music too!
Nisargadatta:
“Don’t pretend to be what you are not, don’t refuse to be
what you are.”
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“What’s wrong with right now if you don’t think about it?” (Bob)
AND if you think about it, is there a problem?
Yes, but ONLY IN thought, and thought is only a vibration, a wave in the ocean of awareness…
Warm regards
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Hi Areti,
There are many classic oft-repeated Sailor Bob-isms referencing the intelligence that animates the body — “breathing your lungs, beating your heart, growing your fingernails,” etc.
My question: is there a difference between the intelligence that decomposes the lifeless meat corpse and the unique knowing awareness that once inhabited it?
In Him,
E
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Hi E,
‘Difference’ in inherent in thought. You cannot have a single thought that does not imply separation and, as a result, difference – ‘That is a living body, this is a dead body’ etc.
And what are we pointed to again and again in non-duality? – It is all one without a second.
In the appearance, there is a you and there is a me, and there is an apparent different energy that plays in a dead body to that which plays in a live body. But this is a translation. If it is all the one, then what difference can there possibly be? And as Bob says, that which grows the finger nails and the hair, revolves the planets. So yes, it is all the same energy.
Your question comes from an implied separation. Yes, things appear separate in the appearance, but look and see if this appearance is the reality of what you are. Look and see if that ‘beingness’ is there regardless of the questions, interpretations, translations and explanations that arise in the mind.
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What is the purpose of new programs? is not the message delivered yet ?
I´m wondering.
This seems to me, to be more carrots for the people. To continue to come here for more and more new programs.
This is a site for “non-duality aficionados” ? can one be a non-duality aficionado ?
Honestly, for the true seeker, i cannot see the value of this.
You can search “non-duality content” for the rest of your life…..
This can be another great trap.
Watch out.
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is not the message delivered yet ?
not to 99.999999% of ‘people’
can one be a non-duality aficionado
sure. beats sitting in a bar.
You can search “non-duality content†for the rest of your life…..
does the appearance have any control? can anyone just decide to wake up and SEE?
‘I’ wish
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Hi my friend.
I come here because it feeds me.
It certainly does not entrap me.
Sometimes something is recognized.
And after that I go to the garden, lie on the couch under the vines,
listen to the birds, fight off the chickens.
Or I could go cook or perhaps surf the doomsday sites on the web.
Infinite possibilities arising – and who is it that is coming here?
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Sergio my friend,
Either I come here
or I ride by bike,
or i lie on the couch under the vines
listening to the birds
or chasing the chickens away
or i venture into the kitchen to cook
or i visit some doomsday websites
or……
infinite possibilities and each time
i come here it is a fresh arising -
not an old sordid habit.
But hey, thanks for the caring.
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“This can be another great trap.
Watch out.”
There is only what is. Nobody keeps reading comments on this site to understand anything. If there is a feeling of a trap, then that is what is taking shape in and as timelessness. No shoulds no oughts just whatever appears.
“You can search “non-duality content†for the rest of your life…..”
Nobody has a “rest of their life”. You are life!
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And THIS is what is happening…
Consciousness speaks to Consciousness.
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Sergio, as Ramesh would say: “Who cares?”
I see your point but, even if the reality of being has been seen, the pointers won’t hurt because it is known exactly what they are pointing at. Nothing is happening “here”, just like “everywhere else”.
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Good to hear Bob talk about reconciling AA with nonduality.
In AA meetings, people frequently claim to have had a spiritual awakening as a result of working the steps. After 10 years of believing that was possible, I realized that I hadn’t encountered any members whose self-centeredness had disappeared. AA has worked great for quitting drinking, but aside from the benefits of lifting the alcoholic fog, the 12 steps and other AA methods mainly prevented any possibility of seeing what I really am.
No AA literature with which I’m familiar suggests that the ego, or time, or any concept whatsoever, is only a belief with no inherent reality. When I’ve mentioned such possibilities in meetings, I’ve gotten some very odd reactions, and no positive responses except for patronizing, “Oh, isn’t it great that you can say whatever you want to here,” kind of stuff. So, I’ve pretty well gone silent in meetings.
Oddly enough, “living in the now” has become a popular topic, probably because everyone’s reading Oprah Tolle’s books. One person after another shares about how they were living in the now earlier today, or their plans to spend more time living in the now in the not-too-distant future. They have been well programmed in AA to think of the day ahead upon awakening, and think of the day past on retiring. So was I, and letting go of a basketful of dualistic AA concepts has not been instantaneous.
I hesitate to post in this forum because I see certain experts picking the words apart (strange, innit?), while the intended meaning is distorted/ignored in the process, but hey, that’s fine, people hear what they want to hear.
Have a good one!
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No separation.
Not two.
Too simple fro the dualistic mind activities.
There is no peace of mind attainable – so don’t even try.
Endless conceptualzing is where the ‘problem’ lies – but for whom?
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Hi Nameless Joe
You can bet you bottom dollar if you are witness to any words suggesting “I am living more in The Now these days”, its a version that thought gets hold of and personalises it. There is only “The Now”; not someone being in “The Now”.
And as for being hesitant to post, just do it. There are no experts, only freedom.
Rich
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zen-joke
why did you come here?
because I didn’t go to the blog next door.
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I love Bob.
When Bob takes passages of the Bible, as he did here, and tries to reshape it into his philosophy, he does a disservice to both the Bible and to his own credibility.
I love Bob.
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Speaking about ‘his philosophy’ is missing the mark unfortunately and might be considered as doing a disservice to whom you claim to love; Who cares? It could happen that as the message hits home the Bible opens up and that what once was hidden is now found to be everywhere; “Whoever finds the meaning of these words will not taste death.” This perenial philosophy can be found throughout ‘history’ and traditions; Before Abraham, I AM. YHWH (“I AM HE WHO IS”, “I AM WHO AM” or “I AM WHAT I AM”). God, who reveals his name as “I AM”: Timeless, nameless, formless, non-conceptual know-ING. Perenially SHAPE-less.
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“When Bob takes passages of the Bible, as he did here, and tries to reshape it into his philosophy, he does a disservice to both the Bible and to his own credibility.”
Why ‘a disservice’? Is the Bible a property of anybody?
And there is no Bob’s philosophy…
There are so much Bibles as readers of the Bible.
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The dualistic mind seemingly perceives duality where none exists.
Conceptualizing is where the ‘problems’ enter. It is very easy to be critical – but let’s see some very direct pointing from the critics – if these critics know it so clearly – then let us see some clear evidence of that clarity, instead of sour grapes.
One of the key pointers is: “The only fact you can be absolutely certain of is the fact of your own being”. If this alone is truly understood, then ‘things proceed’ in a very different fashion. However, the intellect cannot deal with direct pointing at all.
The wordless ‘I am’ cannot be negated.
Only a few investigate ‘their own’ conscious being. These ones do not argue about non duality. Isn’t it sad that the fixation on ‘me’ dances so fiercely to keeps itself going?
In simply being quiet and looking at present evidence, everything is actually clear and obvious. Non conceptual awareness – this non conceptual awareness has no preference for any particular concept that may appear on it……but a preference may appear – just as any thought may appear. To argue on a point, without understanding is useless.
All concepts have a ’spacious aspect’ to them but the mind of habit is fixated on the apparent substance of the concepts.
You have NO IDEA what concept will appear next. To postulate that you do, is delusional mind.
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To be more specific, the Bible is part of a dvaita tradition. There is the separate God, Who is worshipped and followed by lesser individuals.
Bob’s tradition (okay, jump on me for this term) is advaita. There is only oneness, no duality of deity and worshipper.
Bob uses this passage from the Bible, which is actually God speaking to Moses (duality), as if Moses is creating “I am that I am” in his own mind. Thereby interpreting a dual book as non-dual.
The rest of the interview is great. I love Bob. These last two sentences will be overlooked as I have committed the offense of seeing Bob’s body/mind/intellect and words as being imperfect.
And if you really know what Bob speaks of, you would know body/mind/intellect and words have nothing to do with whom he and we are.
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“The so-called I AM statements of the Gospel of John are some of the most significant words Jesus spoke; yet he was talking about BEING, not about himself!!! Catch the import of what he is saying: I AM the Bread of Life. 6:35
I AM the Door of the Sheep 10:7
I AM the Good Shepherd 10:11
I AM the Resurrection and the Life 11:25
I AM the true and living Way 14:6
I AM the true Vine 15:1
I AM the Light of the world 8:12
And, naturally, it follows: YOU are the Light of the world Matt 5:14″
(Source: “http://www.nonduality.com/nondual_bible_verses_project.htm” )
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The Bible also warns us not to touch the fruit of the tree of knowledge, in other words concepts/traditions/mind.
” I Am the way the truth and the Life ” pointing from the Bible. Bob needs no defence at all, great interview.
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There is, was, no Bible.
Ideas can arise about what “The Bible” is in timelessness and thought can make it into something that has some kind of truth, some existence separate from whatever is happening. To pick-up small bits of content of Bobs utterances and nit pick is also what happens. There is no one to get anywhere with this. There can be a denial of what is, I guess. Thats still aliveness denying what is.
Accepting that words cant “do it”, every utterance is simply pointing to another possibility.
Thats how it is!
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No offence to anyone; however Gilbert, without your continous pointing , the comments (most of them) tend to ‘wander off’ in different directions…
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No bible or other collection of words is needed to be oneself. All pointers are pointing at the same thing, no matter where they come from. See what they’re pointing at.
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– This has been a test of the UGC Emergency Broadcast System. If this had been an actual emergency, you would have been instructed where to tune in your area for news and official information regarding Gilbert.
This concludes this test of the UGC Emergency Broadcast System. We now return to our regularly scheduled programming already in progress:
“Slapping Sergio”Good Morning UGC w/Levitra Lev… –In all seriousness, any chance the UGC can interview Leo Hartong? And how are these guys (excuse me, the “appearance” of these guys) all interconnected? Both Sailor Bob and Tony Parsons give mad props to Leo on the back of Awakening To The Dream.
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Why this hunger for others interviews? aren’t the latest ones enough?
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And why not?
“Variety is the salt of Life”.
Kersshot is perfectly OK in my view.
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There is no implication that God spoke to Moses. The symbolism is that ‘Moses’ realized that ‘I am that I am’. The same applies to anyone. The implication has its ‘purpose’ for believers only. Yet everyone can potentially ‘realize their true nature’ – simply by dropping concepts – don’t hang on to them. What is left? Isn;t it clear and obvious?
As with all these pointers, they are missed by the dualistic mind. The mind cannot process ‘One’. It is stumped, game over.
In many of the texts, there is a ‘level’ of meaning that is not accessible when it is approached by dualistic mind. ONLY once a clear taste is resonating does the ‘immediate meaning’ reveal itself. Of course anyone can jump on my words and pull them apart.
They are not my words and they have already disappeared. What do I care about them.
Fresh and new is the nature of THIS.
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The conceptualizing mind cannot deal with ‘no answer’, so it creates movement and friction (more stories and concepts so it has something to do ).
The immediacy of open space like pure functionality does need to be conceptualized nor can it be.
What you ‘Are’ is non dual in nature and cannot be conceived or perceived.At the same time you cannot deny your own ‘Being’ being present right ‘Now’.
Duality (mind) can never understand non-duality ( Being/Awareness ).
FULL STOP.
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Hi Gilbert,
You wrote, “Fresh and new is the nature of THIS.”
I’ve read similar from Bob.
Could you please explain this since I never quite understood it.
Thanks.
And thanks for these great shows. The sound quality was tops.
Richard
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Dear God –
Gilbert, would you be okay with ‘me’ pronouncing a prayer on/for this site? In the appearance…
“Dear God, please help all the dumb people.”
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Tis the “Smart” One’s that need the help….. In The Appearance>
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ever fresh and new is this immediacy, this actuality of what you are. without a hint of the past or the weariness of constant interpretation and anticipation everything is known in wordless knowing. this is where you’re at now. ‘investigate’ THIS now. like a cat watching a bird, watching it’s every movement without getting tired, without the thought, “i’ve seen this, i know this”. non-conceptual means not comparing this here-now without old worn-out ideas . where exactly do you appear in this, ‘don’t know’. yet it IS, immediate open-ness, in which everything appears now, uniquely without ever repeating.
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theres moments when the mind wants to argue with its self saying i have investigated this I notion and its says look heres jacobs legs yep I ve found this I this me look im right here im this body, then theres moments of quiteness when that argument is taking time out and there is a sence of peace.
Im driving along im my bus a car pulls out makes me brack sudenly thought comes in feelings rush in I ask where is the me that is thinking this feeling this a looking for it goes on with the idea that im not the body with me when asking this and then nothing solid seems to be found yet a body named Jacob is driving this big green bus. LOVe from the isle of wight ,UK
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THIS moment has NEVER happened before. Has it.
THIS moment will NEVER happen again.
THIS moment is fresh and new.
It does not rest on any ‘past’ or lean upon any future moment.
The space out of which ’seeing’ is happening is empty.
Nothing obscures the clear and obviousness of THIS.
Conceptualizations about THIS is where the obscuring factors appear to enter.
These concepts expressed in this fashion register on that emptiness.
The recognition of their truth cannot be found in the conceptualizations.
It is the cognition (knowing) – which is ever fresh and new RIGHT NOW, as it always IS.
It isn’t a matter of working it out in the mind. The mind may be cornered by the expressions – go quiet – and a recognition may ‘happen’ or appear in the cognition.
No explanation can suffice. It is ‘knowing’ and nothing other than knowing.
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None of this needs to be esoteric. Every appearance is rooted in Life. The pinky finger has no life of its own. There’s the palm of the hand and metacarpals that allow the pinky to even be present, there’s the wrist that allows for the hand, there’s the body that allows for the arm and wrist, there’s the earth and the sun that allows for the body…all manifestations of life and rooted in life.
None of these appearances can separate themselves from the ground of life or beingness and claim to be a separate entity calling the shots. Every compassionate soul you see feeding the poor and every prick you see walking around thumping their chest has no being in and of themselves. They are only appearances rooted in the same Life.
They are just thumbs, pinkies, and sometimes stinky pinkies rooted in that same hand that you are. Does this scare you? Are you ready for this or are you still going to read pointers and meditate in hopes that you can keep polishing the turd of the body/mind and hope that it evolves into a separate enlightened being?
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I guess a bit of turd pollishing must be neccasary,entanglement in the pollishing still happens for sure and its being noticed, and the mind will say it cant help it and with all that quiteness happens. Replys from the mind is all that can happen at the moment ,Ill keep quite with it all. as John wheeler said recently pause all concepts and bee what you are. and nisagadata, be aware of being concsiuos. Love Jake x
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It’s hard to polish a turd that doesn’t exist! Concepts don’t interfere with what you are. Without being, they couldn’t appear. Thoughts aren’t a problem, they effortlessly appear and disappear. Sometimes an idea might arise that thoughts are a problem but it’s just an idea and it will end like all others. You are what remains.
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I guess turd polishing is there for all before the reqognition is seen ,from that mind made entity, when hearing from someone for which this reqognition has been seen its hard for the conceptual mind to not start wondering , what did they do for this to happen ,how long did it take them, all that sort of stuff. what remains seems ungraspable by the mind thats what can get frustrating,
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All of the tales of someone becoming “enlightened” are just stories about appearance. From these fables, thought spins an idea of what it’s like to become awakened. We are the wakefulness in which the universe appears to be. You are timeless, limitless being RIGHT NOW, not a separate body and mind navigating through a world – these are all things that appear TO YOU.
Thought cannot and will not see this. Thought can’t see ANYTHING. You are the one who is aware of thought and these words on the screen. Everything arises out of your nature and subsides into it without effort. The thought of a struggling individual will also subside though belief (another thought) in this idea causes suffering and a desire to escape it. You can’t escape your being, though the idea that there is a “you” to be apart from it may arise. This idea, like all others, arises in the pure presence that you are – I AM. It will also disappear as all forms do and you will still BE, unblemished. Look for yourself.
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We aren’t talking about “doing things differently”, we’re talking about seeing what is. There is nothing to get, one already IS. I was talking to a guy who said he liked the Advaita “method”. There is no method. A method is the plaything of an imaginary entity who hopes to “one day” become enlightened. In this, there is only discussing WHAT IS. Let the imaginary self be seen for the sham that it is, why try to comfort an illusion?
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Come up with the best pointer that has ever appeared on this site…give it your best shot.
Let your imagination run wild and ‘hammer into place’ that concept…
OK…so now you know what is being pointed to! YES?
NO!
The best pointer simply arises in the knowing.
There is only knowing.
Now… do not continue these words by thinking that you are the knowing…that is a concept!
There is only knowing!
Know what I mean?
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There once was a prostitute who realized the natural state.
When asked how it was done she replied,
“I could no longer identify with something that comes and blows”
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Oh, Kimo, you goddamned queen dooshbag, you!
BTW, in the appearance, it often feels like you clear point directly up your own rectum, my friend.
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The subtle and beautiful Lotus flower feeds on the stinking scum at the bottom of the pond.
We seem to have plenty of scum happening. Since it is a beautifully simple program and very potently so, it is no wonder it sends the mind off on extraneous tangents.
All the exhibitionists display amounts to nothing. Nothing touches the pure knowing.
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Kimo,
One minute you are so eloquent. And then its cave man time.
I really like your directness and clarity. I mean really.
Don’t like bathroom focus and crude. Don’t see the need.
Just my “human” preferences.
Again, I really like your no compromise pointers
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None of it Really matters
Pointers, No Pointers, words no words, Kimos, Crudness, Spirituality
It was Always and IT IS NOW,,, This site and ALL pointers are completely irrelevant,,, and yet are filled, exactly,,, with the Nothingness they convey to No One
F-ing love this stuff:)
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Gilbert posted this a short while ago.
Did anyone stop long enough to read it?
THIS moment has NEVER happened before. Has it.
THIS moment will NEVER happen again.
THIS moment is fresh and new.
It does not rest on any ‘past’ or lean upon any future moment.
The space out of which ’seeing’ is happening is empty.
Nothing obscures the clear and obviousness of THIS.
Conceptualizations about THIS is where the obscuring factors appear to enter.
These concepts expressed in this fashion register on that emptiness.
The recognition of their truth cannot be found in the conceptualizations.
It is the cognition (knowing) – which is ever fresh and new RIGHT NOW, as it always IS.
It isn’t a matter of working it out in the mind. The mind may be cornered by the expressions – go quiet – and a recognition may ‘happen’ or appear in the cognition.
No explanation can suffice. It is ‘knowing’ and nothing other than knowing.
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Following a quote from from the book Oneness by John Greven about “Fresh and new is the nature of THIS.â€. Please don’t shoot the pianist or yourself in your own foot ’cause it is all knowing.
“Do you live in the past, the present, or the future? This is a trick question. There is only the present moment. There is only now!. There may be thinking about the past but when is it done? There may be thinking about the future but when is it done? There is a subtle shift when the present moment is truly reckognized. For in order to “tune in”, so to speak to the present moment, you have to leave the mind behind. The mind lags by a split second as it processes sensory input and converts the raw input into thoughts. By the time you are thinking about the now, the ever present now is in a new and ever fresh now which is shining brightly as what you are
The presence/awareness or beingness that you are is in the now and there is nothing else. The past is a dead issue in memory, while the future is imagination. Now like presence/awareness is ever fresh, ever renewed, constant and unchanging. You can’t get out of it. It is not possible to be anywhere but now. The appearance of time passes through the present, while the present remains constant and unchanged by time. Time is really nothing more than the movement of things across the timeless presence/awareness that you are. Without the mind, time would not be known”
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“… any prickles?” – Quote “Sailor” Bob Adamson
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“BTW, in the appearance, it often feels like you clear point directly up your own rectum, my friend.”
Felicia…as you will know, a rectum is an orifice… empty space existing by the virtue of its sides.
So to point directly up one’s own rectum… is pointing to emptiness.
There is only emptiness.
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Brown sound?
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We hear this message and understand it–or think we do–but the sense of separation is still with us.If not, why would we keep coming back to listen again? I was thinking about this this morning.I knew that there was no “outside” world–only the room I was sitting in. There was a kind of memory world in which the trees and the street and the park and the rest of the neighborhood resided–but it was not real AT ALL.Neither was the national world nor the global world nor the star system etc.And for just a moment I felt their unreality and my aloneness and oneness with the rest of what was present.But a little later driving to the shopping center I was fully back into me-other mode, worried that I had left the house with combing my hair-haha.
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In the words of Charlie Hayes,
1. Your answers are all bullshit.
2. Shut the hell up!
3. You ain’t gonna ‘get’ this. Ever.
There are a lot of pseudo-pointers cropping up. Been guilty of it myself. Let’s be honest, are we pointing for others’ sake or reinforcing our own stories of ‘getting this non-duality stuff’?
Aping someone’s expression is easy to mistake for understanding. All too easy.
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The sense of separation is in the mind – not in the understanding.
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In non-duality, there are no “others”. Just sayin’!
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As Nisargadatta points out so simply: “The only capital you have got is that consciousness” (paraphrasing)
In the realm of concepts ‘we’ wheel and deal, imagining that some benefit will come from it for ‘me’.
If you can see clearly that all concepts have a spacial aspect to them, that they all appear and disappear, and if ‘you’ stay with that ’space of knowing’, that ‘you’ will be recognized to be another concept, another appearance and in its disappearance, which is happening all the time, the profound and pertinent information is immediately cognized. Not by a ’someone’. THIS cognition (knowing) is ceaseless. All concepts about losing it disappear.
You are not a conceptual being. Full stop.
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Jeremy, there’s nobody separate who understands and nobody separate who doesn’t understand. Take a good listen (not just Jeremy, everyone) to this podcast from point 15:28 to 17:12. Listen to that over and over till it sinks in. It may bring tears to your eyes. Bob is so versatile that he doesn’t just stay within the dry Advaita run-down of awareness and neti-neti. That passage that I’m pointing out is extremely practical. The breathing is happening, the heart is beating–that intelligence energy sets the entire stage plus provides ALL the energy. There is NO separate Jeremy, NO separate Kimo, NO separate Gilbert apart from Life/Energy/God who can do or has done anything. The thought of a separate energy who controls is only thought; courtesy only of that intelligence energy and not a Jeremy. Jeremy doesn’t have a life. Life has an idea of a Jeremy. Also, don’t be so discouraged and take a defeatist approach to Charlie’s words. I believe he’s told you lots of things. One thing you may not remember is that he told you (I think he told you) when you asked what to do or how to live. His answer was that he suggests you do the next thing. Sounds like a flippant answer, but right on the money. This non-doership stuff is airtight if “you” investigate it. What a relief to let the train of life carry you and your load (paraphrasing Ramana badly). I can guarantee you there is something to get, just not for a someone, and it’s not all bullshit; so don’t give up. The realization that there is no separate Jeremy doing a blasted thing just might occur or might not.
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At the SL UGC, you can listen to the episodes while you drink a tall black, chat with other visitors “face-to-face”, and visit the website from the Official UGC Laptop.
Note: Not all the episodes are up yet – there is a technical difficulty which is being resolved. Until then the first 6 episodes are available.
Feedback and ideas are welcome. You can also donate with “SL money” or Linden dollars to the cause, if you’re so inclined, to help cover the costs.
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http://www.seeing-knowing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=83&Itemid=77
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The cafe is nearly filled to capacity this evening. Filled with strange creatures trying to interact with no ears and only mouths.
Many wearing the golden handcuffs of higher concepts. Thinking I know vs. they don’t; I’ve got it vs. they are dumb. Having traded-in worldly ego for higher ego, these egojis march on to their deaths fooling themselves. That’s okay. All is as it should be. All is well.
Please don’t be offended. I’m only talking about them, not us. We are not dualistic, they are.
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“We hear this message and understand it–or think we do–but the sense of separation is still with us.If not, why would we keep coming back to listen again? “- Tom Allen
“There are a lot of pseudo-pointers cropping up” – Jeremy
This reminds me of Old Cheng; He has a forcefull temperament, so please do forgive his bluntness.
“Previously I read you from the sriptures
If I would say the’re from the Buddha, you would consider them as holy and you will be filled with fear and awe.
If I would say the’re from Bodhidharma or from a great Patriarch, look at how you would be full of admiration and respect.
If I would say the’re from an unknown monk, look at how doubtfull you would become.
If I would say to you the’re from the cook, you would burst out laughing and think I’m pulling your leg.
What’s important to you is not the truth of these words, but the authority you attribute to whom spoke those words.
You’re not capable to look for yourself. You think what you’re expected to think according to the people you have placed above you. You’re continually busy to complement, change and forge things. That’s why you’re not able to see the original mind without depending on whosoever.
You bald shaven skulls, are a bunch of imposters. You’re a hopeless case.”
Love to you my friends
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It is extremely simple. ‘Clever’ intellectuals miss it consistently because it is so simple.
A dripping tap can drive someone mad.
Dripping water on the scull, it is a form of torture.
Non duality jargon sprouted incessantly can also turn a mind inside out or send the mind chasing its own tail.
What is necessary is a recognition of this immediate clear and empty ’space of knowing’.
You can ride upon any concept, so long as you believe it has some substance.
What we are pointing out is that ALL concepts are spacious. If this spaciousness is missed then the apparent substance of the concepts weaves itself with the believed in entity and ‘creates’ duality and a sense of separation.
This sense of separation is ‘made of’ belief in ‘me’ and ‘other than me’.
By simply investigating this sense of being separate, by expanding it and taking a good look into it, the spaciousness that ’surrounds’ this bunch of ideas will be self-evident.
SEEING that ‘I am’ beyond what is appearing in the observing is highly informative.
It is naked seeing and there may be a complete absence of concepts in the experiencing.
The mind will naturally attempt to translate it into its ‘normal model’ of how things are.
Just be the seeing.
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There aren’t any problems. Everything is perfect as is. No appearance “puts a dent” in reality. There isn’t anyone who “gets it” or doesn’t. I think as Randall was saying – no-thing appears as everything. It’s when there is a thought of being something that problems appear real BUT, it’s really nothing.
As far as books about Bob go, I liked “Living Reality” by James Braha about his summer with Bob. You almost get the feeling of being there with them. It’s a beautiful, simple message.
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Despite the non-resonance with the sour grapes crowd, this line of questioning is very exciting. Even somebody with total bodily identification can be left speechless in this realization. The heartbeat, breathing, and cellular activity are admitted by everyone to be totally involuntary but yet I (as a separate and distinct character) am supposedly doing X,Y, and Z and making all of these choices (due to our indoctrination). Hello? Oh really? Life is providing the total platform of your body and supplying all the energy yet you still claim independence as a separate actor in that body or in control of that body? Let that one perculate. Nobody is an enlightened being who understands this and nobody is close to enlightenment in golden chains. It’s all one Reality that never split except conceptually in thought. Nothing exists separately from that ground of being or that awareness whether the conceptualization seems to apparently chop it up into discreet pieces or not. None of it (time, space, objects, activity) could even appear or appear to happen without that ground of being. Go back to the 15:28 spot and press play again. Just do it and stop complaining about the source of the message or the messenger who is telling you to do it. Lending a helping hand here. Take it or leave it.
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“The heartbeat, breathing, and cellular activity are admitted by everyone to be totally involuntary but yet I (as a separate and distinct character) am supposedly doing X,Y, and Z and making all of these choices (due to our indoctrination). Hello? Oh really? Life is providing the total platform of your body and supplying all the energy yet you still claim independence as a separate actor in that body or in control of that body?”
Good stuff Kimo.
This is where “I” stumble with the notion of discovering “my” true nature. It wouldn’t really be “my” true nature, right? Unless “I” is the totality which would render any notion of “I” completely meaningless anyway.
The circular self-referential nature of this stuff rears its head again. Oops, the answer’s not in the mind…crap
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Like self-adhesive tape, this is self-knowing. The sun is self-shining – it needs no other light.
This knowing is all that there is, just as it is. There is only one knowing happening.
The ‘me’ knows nothing at all. It is simply a concept.
Whether the mind is in turmoil or calm and silent – this self-knowing is the basic singular activity.
Everything appears in the knowing and IS the knowing.
No entity exists – to know or not know itself.
Rude awakening?
No awakening.
You are not asleep.
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Thanks Gilbert.
There is a bit of a knot, isn’t there?
An apparent ‘piece’, an apparent ‘chunk’, apparently trying to recognize the absence of of ‘pieces’ and ‘chunks’.
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Thanks Kimo. No defeatism here. I found those words of Charlie’s to be blunt, but incredibly helpful. He speaks my language. It took a while to realize the compassion that inspired the blunt words. I probably have no business speaking on his behalf. But those words were helpful here.
Your words resonate when they stay on target. Please do keep it up.
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The knot is ‘made’ from conflicting concepts. They slide apart and undo themselves if you remove belief in them. Ignore them – give them no energy. Whatever arises say ‘not this’ – ‘I am not this’. (Neti neti) Simple. It is always simple and that is why we overlook it.
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Jeremy, good to hear it. You have every right to speak as you need to in getting this cleared up. This is a great service provided by Areti and her fiance Gilbert. This site is an opportunity for folks to be totally focused on getting their own confusion resolved. But instead, those who should be asking questions waste time trying to squirrel f*ck the editor or other helpful folks. Which only leaves them confused, bitter, and in a sour grapes seeking mode. If this is resolved for you, that’s all that matters, and I’m sure it will be. Again, forget about the messenger and allow yourself to resonate with what works for you. Don’t worry about who else is getting it or whether it’s possible to get it. As you’re finding out, it’s all unfolding spontaneously anyhow. Life is “running” this whole show labelled as a Jeremy. That same life-pulse is running the show here and everywhere, so relax.
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The “I” cannot understand anything.
Whatever it appears to undersatnd is only conceptual.
In seeing the falseness of the “I” the knowing/understanding remains as is.
The ‘one’ who understands this is not ‘you’
The ‘one’ who senses relief is not ‘you’.
The ‘one’ who strives to grasp this understanding is the mind.
If you are striving for a ‘personal’ or a ‘universal’ understanding, whatever imagined state that you may arrive at can only be conceptual.
Simply because, this ‘you’ is the primary concept.
This ‘you’ cannot understand anything.
This ‘you’ can never be free. This ‘you’ can never be bound either. It does not exist apart from a being mental construct.
A mental construct can exist only in imagination.
It can only be seen for what it is.
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“Rude awakening?
No awakening.
You are not asleep.”
Ha. Good one. Without wakefullness, there couldn’t possibly be an idea of someone who is asleep.
Thought says “I am lost”, “I don’t have IT” or “I’ve got it”, “I understand this” – presence is required for all such thoughts to appear. All there is is being. The “person”, “mind” and “world” are just images appearing in timeless awareness. The word is not the thing (or nothing) but it’s easy to see that all thoughts come and go. What’s left when they’re gone?
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Without thought,
¿are there questions?
¿are there doubts?
¿are there “ignorance” or “awakening”?
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Thanks again Kimo. It’s clear the worrying about others getting it is a tricky subtle habit. On some level it is saying there are separate others which means a separate me, clinging to division. Division that only exists as a thought, which doesn’t hold water in the immediacy.
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From my friend John Wheeler:
“No one I ever met who understood this ever called themselves a teacher, propagated spiritual concepts, had a “teaching”, collected followers, held retreats, transmitted the “dharma” or whatever the case might be. All that they could do was point out the ever-present fact of what you are here and now and send you along with an encouragement to see it for yourself, and with the full assurance that you are already whole and complete as is. “
Same here! Meeting John, and later Bob, chatting with Gilbert, and John Greven, I found no teaching, just really good friends who don’t mince words in pointing out the false … all the while reminding us of the real … it seems (seems!) that “repetition of the pure message is the mother of dissolution!”
Keep it simple Jeremy! YOU ARE this NON-conceptual Being-Wakefulness-Knowingness. Love ya Jeremy! Good to see ya here! This “place” is a great solvent for the false knowledge and a great mirror of true Self Knowing.
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No problem Jeremy. Excerpts of Sailor Bob’s articles regarding whether a separate me is seeing or hearing is what initially drew me to his teachings (in addition to his peculiar name). The fact that one essence or life is expressing as all things (in appearance) is still something I marvel about in addition to the fact that consciousness and all appearances come and go in what I am (Life, I love that pointer these days). The esoteric/ non-practical stuff doesn’t appeal to me much anymore. Like Stephen Wingate says, we could get a 100% on a non-duality test or even write the test, but what does it matter? The only thing that matters is what you truly take yourself to be (know yourself to be) when you’re not on a website or posturing as a teacher. When it’s realized there is no separate me, there is nobody to get liberated; and that in itself is quite liberating. There is no thought or concept in control of this ship. AAAHHHHHHHH! how nice!
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Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic…….conceptualizing just appears and disappears.
What remains ever present is obvious yet the mind takes no notice – because it has never been named successfully…..can’t be so because the word is never the ‘thing’ is describes.
So simple.
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So it just is. The know-it-alls, questioners, and comedians of UGC all appear in that.
Hmmmm, would it be alright if I added a small PayPal donation tab to this comment?
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“I” am am madly in love with a girl, a wonderful, wonderful friend who quite fortuitously happens to be a girl.
How in the world does ‘no-one’ reconcile these feelings for another (ha ha) ‘no-one’?
Anybody have any hints for how romantic love fits into “not-two”?
I am hoping this is a stupid question.
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Same banana…different pyjamas…
One essence…expressing as everything…
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So it’s a little like Kimo and Charlie swappin’ undies — all the same Cosmic clay.
Gil’, what you’re saying is it’s about noticing the capacity to notice — the awareness. Awareness is there, to notice ‘our ego’ or ‘our take on why things are cool or not cool.’
These are seeker questions — though not typically couched in the ‘I think so and so character has it right,’ but just in the sense of this mind (or thought factory) already knows what doesn’t work.
An additional BA or graduate degree isn’t really necessary to continue down the road of not getting it, so to speak.
Random, I know, but still sincere question from a UGC reader…
Open hands, heart, soul, what’s it take? I feel like I’m PlayDo with thought?
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Dualdave
“Anybody have any hints for how romantic love fits into “not-twoâ€?
Without the story what remains ?
LOVE !!!
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Notice the spaciousness of the ‘mind’. See it is clear and empty.
Because it is empty, it is filled. Because it is full, it is emptied.
There is no duration to thought, no substance and no bias to thoughts. In reference to ‘me’ they appear to take on added qualities, of negative or positive or whatever flavor the ‘entity’ is ’swimming in’ at any particular moment.
All such ‘things’ can be seen for what they are. Concepts in themselves are not a problem. It is the ‘owner’ of the concepts that ties himself in knots and then complains about the bondage is too tight….etc.
Take notice of space. ‘We’ fixate on ‘objects’ and do not notice the space in which they appear. Expand your ‘vision’ and include this idea of ‘me’ in the view.
The way out of fixation is through the expansive nature of space-like awareness.
I don’t know how many times these things need to be pointed out.
However, it only takes a clean registering of one pointer to break the habitual bondage.
Take some interest in it all, from a spacious perspective.
For a few minutes each day, take note of the space around the body, the atmosphere and drop the idea of ‘me doing something’. Let the mind rest on nothing at all.
The true nature of the mind is clear and empty.
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Thoughts are arising in awareness and expressed. There aren’t “enlightened people thoughts” and “unenlightened people thoughts”. We’ve been told that consciousness resides in forms but, actually, forms reside in consciousness. Without consciouness – no form. The main impediment to seeing is a thought image believing what others have said. Looking directly is extremely easy.
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The ‘problem’ is that a thought imagines it can see and know.
Simple as that.
You are not a thought. (don’t think about it)
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I really like Randall’s short article “Do you know” that he wrote a couple weeks ago. This would make a good coffee table book on thick paper, with pictures of mountains, the ocean, and cherry blossoms, with the words in big type over several pages. Would be worth $20 easily. There’s too much confusion around and devouring of hundreds and thousands of pages of non-duality scientific PhD stuff. A short couple paragraphs of good simple pointing is all that is necessary.
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…and some good simple pointing by Gilbert…
“Expand your ‘vision’ and include this idea of ‘me’ in the view.”
Then…where are you seeing from?
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Thank you so much for making this site available, Gilbert and Areti. I just donated and will do so each month from now on. Like Ibsen said, “A community is like a ship; everyone ought to be prepared to take the helm.†I am happy to take some small responsibility in maintaining the course of this glorious ship of fools. This site is like grass growing in the crack of a sidewalk. It is life that will not be denied. Thanks again!
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