40. You are NO THING – Randall Friend – Part 2
This is part 2 of an interview with Randall Friend about his new book ‘You are No Thing – Recognizing your true nature’ - Now published – by Non Duality Press released on May 23, 2009.
In this program Randall talks about part three of his book.  He explains the limitations of worldly knowledge and points us to our true nature.
Randall’s website is called “You Are Dreaming”
Music by Cheb i Sebbah, Ketama and Michael Camilo, Eon A, Whip bird, Royskopp, Ketil Bjornstadt, Joan Osborne and Townes Van Zandt.
Short extracts from The Matrix movie (link to movie details on ‘part one’ of this interview).
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Welcome to program 40 of The Urban Guru Cafe. It is a fairly consistent ‘effort’ to bring some excellent clear pointing into the public arena. We intend to continue with this ‘effort’ and new material is being prepared continually. All are welcome to make sensible comments. Please enjoy this latest program. Warm regards – Gilbert
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It is totally futile to try and understand what awareness / reality is.
The premise where the “trying†begins is totally false.
In seeing that the premise of “me†itself is false, a sense of free-ness arises.
It quickly gets labeled as “I experience freedomâ€.
Oh no, I must now negate this “I†and try and stabilize in this vastness
I need to devote more time to be with this beingness that was just opened up. Do I understand it finally?
The endless chatter goes on and on….till somehow it is seen for what it is.
Again it gets labeled … I see, I now understand.
The one that understands is never a “youâ€.
That is the understanding…
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” All that is necessary is to cease translation of this..right here right now”
Go Randall
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Nicely put Kale.
Get why it can’t be got. That’s it. Got.
(There’s no it)
(There’s no getter)
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Since concepts are “paid no mind” in Nonduality, is there even any interest into what possibly happens once this spacious awareness separates from the body at physical death? Sure life goes on, but the registering space-like awareness certainly takes a hike.
I mean, I get it (English grammar) — the knowingness is here regardless of the fact if there’s a thought laying claim to the self-evident awareness or not. But that “aliveness” departs the worn out organic human body. Has anyone ever been with another during death? Sure, intelligence decomposes said body, but the space-like awareness registering experience is no longer there.
It’s just that Nonduality comes off as “oh well, it’s just a concept, so, you know…” Sorry if this isn’t sensible.
Also, FWIW I (‘the intelligence patterning itself as E which some other intelligence patterns may assume does not get it and therefore need to properly correct in the appearance’) can refrain from commenting if this page would be better served with Nondual congratulatory fist bumps.
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‘Discriminating mind’ accuses ‘discriminating mind’ of discrimination. What use is it?
The cat that swallowed the mouse is not smiling from contentment – it is the apparent ’smile’ of indigestion.
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Read up about the bardo
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Okay, so the apparent cat indiscriminately consumed a poisoned mouse. It just seems like there’s more to this alive and knowing presence-awareness spoken of than just ‘intelligence now patterning itself as lifeless rotting cat carcass.’
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E – your question is positioned from the assumed separation of awareness and a “me”.
Deal with the me first…when the me is seen to be nothing but a concept, then all questions posed by it and all answers sought by it are recognized to be conceptual as well.
But the appearance of a “me” cannot recognize this.
And the one that recognizes this is not a “you”.
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It’s actually positioned from the assumed separation of life animating presence-awareness in an egoless cat and a “dead one,” Dot.
This knowing — the presence-awareness — absolutely regardless of assumed or un-assumed personal identities, animates bodies and then leaves. Isn’t this somewhat curious?
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Only for a “me”….
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Me vs. No-Me … still belief, still duality
who is it that knows that there is no “me”?
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If we must use words to describe, if we must talk about “things”, then what-you-are is no-thing – this is known via neti-neti. Whatever arises, a tree, a chair, the moon – once we’ve captured a seeming “slice” of the totality of present appearance with a label, then what-you-are is necessarily not-a-thing – the pure invisible witness or subjectivity which objectifies the entirety of this immediacy – pure formless awareness.
If those “things” are seen for what they are – only appearance in it’s totality – appearing right here and now – no separation, no “thingness” except in concept – then what we’ve called awareness then is rightly known, not conceptualized, not spiritualized, not mysticized – but directly known with conviction – that awareness IS the appearance. That appearance and the awareness are One.
This is already the case – the seeing and the seen are one essence, one immediacy. The appearance and awareness of appearance can never be separated, have never once been separated. There IS NO seer, seeing a world. There is only the seeing, which IS the world itself. Not even inseparable, because that assumes there are two which are joined. They are the SAME.
Therefore there is absolutely nowhere to go – the very first seeking thought, the very first attempt at finding THIS is already missing it. The very instant it is sought after, it is missed. Because in the seeking after it, the entire world and seeker come into being in concept.
Have a look, right now. No special experience is necessary. No spiritual “state” is yet to come. Right now is the only opportunity there ever is. Right now – the screen and the awareness of the screen are the exact same “thing”. Is this not blindingly obvious? If not, have a look at what concept may be sticking out like a sore thumb.
That concept is always – “ME-seeing”.
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There is only LIFE. Life does not come and go. We have all heard the very common comment ‘Life goes on’ at any funeral.
Life is not personal – “no one ever lived a life” – Life lives you.
Don’t be afraid to live.
It is the patterns that appear in this LIFE, they ‘appear’ to come and go – endless patterns within patterns. Forming and dissolving endlessly.
It is all No Thing appearing as everything. Whatever identity ‘you’ assume, it is all transient and elusive.
There is no way out of the dream IN the dream.
There is ONLY ONE LIFE. You are THAT.
In trying to personalize it, ‘we’ create a closed pattern of self-referencing.
SEEING this activity clearly is from BEYOND the pattern.
Yet the pattern is nothing other than the expression of this One Life…..just as it is.
‘Who’ has a problem with THIS?
Note: A sample of a new free e-book will appear on my website “seeing-knowing” fairly soon. It is composed of a few of the spontaneous responses to various comments on the UGC over recent months. A more complete version will appear later.
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Who has a problem with awareness experiencing this present pattern of humanness, and an entirely different appearance whilst these so-called physical bodies die?
It’s like you guys are pulling the ski cap over your eyes, and saying “No more — get thee behind me Satan [concepts].”
(Awareness-enabled intellect foresees the Nondual response coming…)
Anyway, maybe you guys are right. Good luck with the book sales, Randall and G.
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So the Subjectivity is what labels things?
That emptiness puts labels on everything?
And here all this time, the object Susana has been trying to stop the labelling, trying to still the experiencing………..
Ha ha ha.
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It is rare that ‘anyone’ actually ‘hears’ what is being pointed out. There is n answer in the mind – yet that is where everyone plays with the concepts, trying to get an upper hand.
Those who bring genuine questions can have things cleared up and some confusion cleared away. Smart comments don’t impress – but reveal the intellect trying to gain some ground or some one-up-man-ship. Rather pathetic to read and very boring when there are several of them playing ping-pong off each other. Listen to the programs.
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Evaluations like “boring” and “pathetic” arise from the defense mechanism of the “me” — but the “me” has no choice.
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Gilbert and Randall,
I was listening to a podcast by John Greven the other day where he spoke of deconstructing the myth of the me.
Something that is spoken about all the time via neti neti and such.
The question I am asking and I am asking most sincerely is how does one deconstruct the myth and the body/mind identification?
John Greven mentions that there is a paradigm shift when finally there is no more identification. The programming continues and action continue to unfold but there is no grasping or expectation.
Randall’s pointer is what is here now is wholeness. Nothing else need be sought, for it is This as This that is what we are striving for.
Gilbert you talk about the Seeing. Go to the Seeing. Where is the seeing happening from?
And so I look at actions and try to locate me until it becomes obvious that the me is something that arises and has no substance.
But the next day the mind has picked up and is running with this realisation so that it ceases to be a realisation but instead reverts to being a thought.
And we all know what thoughts do.
And the emptiness has been felt and known but only when movement back into the dance has occurred is it reflected that ah yes that was emptiness. But then mind retreats to the memory and like a dog with a bone tries to recapture that.
Blah blah blah.
So I guess, as Randall says, blah blah blah, the search continues, blah blah blah, thoughts are that it should be different, blah blah blah – waiting for the paradigm shift – blah blah, trying to recapture that emptiness – blah blah – and yet witnessing all this blah blah is that which is spinning the planets and beating this heart.
Can it be true that I am the radiant light which illuminates the world mistakenly identified with a person of limitation and doubt?
And does one simply accept that this is what is in the perfection of it all or does one make effort.
You guys make a point of saying nothing need be done, but Nisargadatta did say that earnestness was of value and that to go to the feeling of I Am and abide there as often as possible would be of great assistance.
I am sorry to be the student of charcoal soaked in a river for so long that it cannot even begin to remember that it’s task is to ignite.
blah blah blah
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Another great podcast G & A, thanks.
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Su,
Listen to the audio recording on Charlie Hayes’ website called “Nothing Works.”
In short — “you’re f….d.”
Love,
Roger
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The ‘person’ NEVER thinks anything. Thoughts spontaneously appear.
All problems are in the conceptualizing. Being is free and spontaneous. Thought is also totally spontaneous without history.
The nit picking mind goes on and on and on – with its reference point ‘me’ but it has no substance except belief and belief is insubstantial.
The pristine clarity that is being pointed at has never ‘entered’ into conceptualized ‘being’.
Only a fictional ‘me’ appears to live in its own fabricated world. Hang onto it if you must.
No method, no practice is necessary to be what you are.
It is what you ‘think’ you are that is a reflection – up close or from an apparent distance – it is merely a reflection. Where is the seeing happening?
The question is valid consistently – until the recognition ‘happens’.
Then one KNOWS that one has NEVER been in the conceptual realm ever.
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I have to say, I’m pretty blown away by this Charlie Hayes character. I’ve been listening to alot of his audio recordings, and honestly, of all the teachers and messengers in nonduality I’ve read/listened to, I’ve never heard any expression that is more honest/genuine/sincere.
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Well, it isn’t about honesty or sincerity. Everyone is THAT – the expressions that spontaneously appear from anyone at all is genuine. It is the discriminating mind that brings in right and wrong etc. Your own clear presence is the ‘teacher’. ‘When’ anyone at all, stops ignoring that, then the erroneous beliefs get dropped spontaneously.
A silk purse or one made from a pigs ear are equally useful.
- love – Gilbert.
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Su, trying is the activity of the thought-qimage pseudo entity. If you are aware then you are what is always being discussed on these boards. Thought may imagine “fireworks” that indicate enlightenment but such a thing would just be another experience and, therefore, fleeting. Just look at your own experience and see what is always there. That’s what’s being talked about.
E, there is awareness of the dead cat – hence the question. You could call it “my” awareness or their awareness but it all amounts to the EXACT same thing. There was never consciousness in the body – the body arises in consciousness and is, ultimately, unreal. Heat causes a mirage (consciousness gives rise to the body), not vice versa. Nisargadatta and others have said that the body’s disappearance or “death” is watched by absolute awareness (just as everything else in life) and that it isn’t a big deal. The timeless is still present, though perhaps not self-aware – WHO KNOWS?
As Gilbert pointed out the most useful thing that an apparent seeker plagued by doubts can do is to put all of their misconceptions on the table and some of them might get smashed to never return. When I talked to John Wheeler I brought out all of the questions and concepts possible and he, thankfully, dismantled several “spiritual ideas” that there was some belief in. I think the “problem” is that there is belief in so many images and don’t look at our direct experience.
All problems are only apparent. The reality of what we are is indestructable.
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I too have been listening to a lot of Charlie’s recordings recently, and have found them quite helpful. He is very direct and I love his humor.
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Are we talking about the same YouTube Charlie Hayes character? Seriously? You guys must be kidding.
This sounds like The Great Scott Kiloby UGC Hoodwink Round 2. Anyway, I don’t mean to hurt anyone’s feelings — but of course there’s no ‘one’ here to have feelings…
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It is not possible to ignore your own presence. Ignoring happens in/as presence too. You cannot possibly find presence and then focus on it. Nor can you NOT find it. Only objects can be found or not found, ignored or not ignored. Even to say “it” is misleading.
How can you say that “this is not about honesty and sincerity?” How can you say that “this” IS about or not about anything? It is the “discriminating mind” that says anything about “this” at all! There is no “this” to talk about! The moment we say anything at all a discrimination is made. Even to say “this” is to make a delineation, which immediately implies that there must be something that is not “this.”
Everything is _________.
And I don’t have a clue what I’m talking about.
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There are some things that can be said. Obviously the description is not what’s described but some words are more effective pointers at reality than others. “I am the body” for example, assumes that a body is real and identifies “I” or self sense with it. “There is no thing apart from awareness.” describes a truth that can be seen in one’s present experience. Some words are totally off-track, others aren’t. In terms of what we are, it’s true – the words don’t matter.
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Those who say that they come from total honesty are telling the biggest lie of all. There are gurus who push this line and push it onto their devotees. It is contrived nonsense. Contrived spirituality is rife in all the major religions and the essential message has been twisted out of recognition by ‘well intentioned individuals’ who believe that they are being totally honest – but their understanding is convoluted and ego ridden. Many of the ancient texts were mistranslated in all honesty.
As for the various expressions: Anyone can say anything at all at it is totally valid in its immediacy as a vibration, a sound and also in the spontaneous nature of its arising.
When belief dominates the expressions, then belief is perpetuated. There is often a tight sensation associated with it, because ’something’ is being protected.
Here, we are looking at demolishing beliefs – ruthlessly without compromise.
‘People’ get upset because a ‘person’ is merely a belief itself. The efficient expressions avoid fuzzy logic as often as possible, naturally.
Some expressions do not come loaded with conditional thought associations.
If you cannot tell the difference between spiritual bullshit and some clear expressions, then you may have come to the wrong place. We get a fair share of spiritual pretenders here showing off what they know. It is all useless and is transparent as a pane of glass.
If they could recognize that themselves, maybe we would see some more ‘genuine’ questions.
The same old ‘mob’ playing ping-pong with words isn’t all that entertaining, in my opinion.
The majority of comments about Non Duality are relative statement loaded with ‘personal’ luggage. It is very easy to piss off the spiritual pretenders. The ‘genuine’ visitor doesn’t even get into such nonsense. Just a few words about not much. – Gilbert
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Lol. Well, so sorry for not being a truly ‘genuine visitor.’ What can I say? As you would say, “the me has no choice.” I guess I won’t be providing any ‘genuine’ donations anytime soon, either.
Sorry for making a comment about Charlie seeming genuine in his expression. I didn’t realize it would touch a nerve.
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You’ll do well to remember you are not the body or the mind or any appearance or any character; only that presence that registers all things. And even that is just a pointer. As Randall alludes to, there is nothing conceivable or perceivable that does not register as/in this awareness (the comp screen has no separate existence; when trying to separate awareness and the comp screen appearance it can’t be done). Imagining characters who get it or don’t get it…Imagining I am a character who gets it or doesn’t get it…Imagining I’ve “taken the next step” and view myself as a separate guardian angel portal of awareness animating a particular body but not being the body….those are all appearances. I know of no other presence than right here right now. There’s no separate awareness assigned to a me character that’s privy to US happenings and no separate awareness assigned to a Gilbert character that is privy to what’s happening in Australia (and controlled by those characters). All imagination or conceptualized logic that relates to a separate me I cannot find. The most polished non-duality speaker or the most combative character who is fighting feelings of separation and lashing out at well-meaning “teachers” can’t appear anywhere else except right here right now. There is nothing known of ANYTHING unless it comes to me as this awareness I am. There’s never a separate object or situation existing on it’s own and then a particular awareness or “my awareness” “zaps it into focus”. There’s no separation between the object that is appearing and the awareness you are. The only difference conceptually is that the object will dissipate from awareness but the awareness remains. Which one of those transient objects (or seemingly slowly changing objects) is what you are? Are you kidding me? If you know the object and know that it changes, is your stance really the object or the awareness containing it–come on now! Every appearance and every conceptualization of a character only appears in this that I am. No character can claim it, even the character who you think I am. All characters appear in this (they are “known” in knowing) and have no control or independent nature as they are only appearances. I am not a character and neither are you and neither is Charlie or Scott. Haven’t we passed the basinett stage where we focus on bright shiny objects waving before our eyes? What Charlie or Scott have said or done or what the character you take yourself to be has said or done is TOTALLY irrelevant. All appearances appear in what you are/ I am. Realize that presence, stop denying it, and cease clinging to your rotting carcass and preciously owned thoughts. They aren’t what you are; only appearing in what you are.
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Chemo Jim, you are truly a prick!
Not sure what you just said (paragraph breaks may have helped). But anyway, there’s definitely prickles — in the Sailor Bob sense.
So cat eyes with light and cat eyes without is just completely irrelevant?
This is a serious question. Nonduality sorta hangs in the balance with this seemingly innocuous and silly question.
It’s just a real sticking point. The animating presence seems like a big fucking hairy deal — this isn’t the awareness spoken about? And please, no need to go off into some supposed ‘believed in’ astral realm — just speaking about this basic amazing life animating presence.
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So cat eyes with light and cat eyes without is just completely irrelevant?
YES: Undivided wholeness IS perceived by the right hemisphere of my brain as one whole undivided flow. There is no separate platform to stand on from which a separate person can possibly distinguish light from darkness or judge between good and bad.
NO: Undivided wholeness IS processed by the left hemisphere of my brain, divided into past and future, distinguished as light or dark, deemed to be honest or contrived, stored in memory as pleasant or unpleasant experience.
Left brain thinking IS my personal platform for perceiving this world as a separate being. And this processing doesn’t touch fundamental right-brain Seeing/Knowing.
This viral link, which many will have seen by now, is not a distraction in my opinion, from what this site continually points to. http://blog.ted.com/2008/03/jill_bolte_tayl.php. It is a step forward in understanding that YES and NO are in total harmony in the wholeness we always are.
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Who speaks these words?
What is that one made of?
Is there a Someone housed in that presence?
Who is looking for answers?
Look for that one…
Can that one be located?
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Isn’t it interesting how these experts on Non Duality can’t get past taking things personally. Whatever one says in a public forum is open to being questioned by anyone. When they step back in shock, they find no ground to stand on, so they have to attack or dismiss everything that touches their ‘corns’.
The self-centered activity always misses the point…takes everything personally and still tries to play ‘the wise man game’. The exercise may well be to roust out these attachments so they can be seen clearly. It can easily all slide into the usual sickly spiritual ‘being nice’ and lovey dovey. The stirring stick only catches on the crap in the bucket. The nature of fluid isn’t catching on anything. Be fluid like and SEE.
You either understand or you don’t. Intellectual understanding is not worth the paper it is written on. Whatever it takes to bring about the recognition of our true nature is totally valid. It may be the gravely sound of an ex-car salesman or the smooth voice of a ’smoocher’ – once the message is delivered, the messenger can be dispensed with.
Are you still seeking? Why? Isn’t that a more interesting ‘thing’ to investigate – instead of pontificating about non duality.
P.S. Donations are made by those who genuinely appreciate what is on offer.
It isn’t a fee for services rendered in promoting your ‘ego’.
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I’m not donating to your site, because you’re a hypocritical asshole who’s obviously too stupid to realize that insulting visitors, even if they aren’t “genuine” enough by your standards, is no way to go about soliciting donations.
And I’m not going to get into a contest with you over who has less of an ego–there’s definitely a sense of “me” over here, and I have no problem with that. Only a moron like yourself would turn the idea of not having an ego into an ego-trip. I’m not fixating on a delusional quest to get rid of the “me” like 90% of the people who post here–anyone with half a brain can see that a “me” trying to get rid of a “me” is f**king retarded, 1000% futile, and will only lead to reinforcing that sense of self and creating more suffering than ever.
I don’t even necessarily believe it’s possible for the “me” to “dissolve” (or however the hell you put it). There are lots of apparent people who claim to be ego-less, but I have no reason to believe any of them. Alot of them seem to very egotistical–you, for instance, are one of the most egotistical pricks I’ve ever encountered.
“You either understand or you don’t.” — Who understands Gilbert? Who? Does Gilbert the Great, with all of his pretentious zen-like metaphorical bullshit, understand some-THING that the rest of us lowly egos don’t get?
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1st week:
Bodhi says to Dharma the cat : “you know Dharma, these Zen practices are definitely a short path to ego loss. Dharma sits on the wall and looks on…
2nd week:
Bodhi says to Dharma the cat: “Almost right away, my illusion of Self has begun to fade”. Dharma sits on the wall and looks on…
3rd week:
Bodhi says to Dharma the Cat: “Soon I will be the most advanced novice in the monastery”.
Dharma rolls off the wall, falls flat on the ground and shakes his head: “It’s easier to be a cat; humans tend to miss the point entirely; “.
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Roger
Your take is as valid as the next person’s.
And as the next person, my take is that the UGC team has very little interest in money and provides this service freely and generously to all (although they probably have to eat and sleep somewhere too.)
Gilbert is……… well ……….Gilbert. He seems a bit of a stirrer. But this man is trying to share his insights. And he does this in his own way, which may be the only way that he can.
Life goes on, whatever we think Roger. See what happens if you suspend the angry thoughts.
All the best.
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“Isn’t it interesting how these experts on Non Duality can’t get past taking things personally”
Kind of like you. Seems any and everytime anyone criticizes you, you return fire with equal measure like any of us ego identified people do. Then all your sycophants come in to defend their beloved. Then we’re told to ignore the messenger just look at the message. Fine but some openess about this non dual state and the still operating ego would be clarifying. Some relating along with the lecturing.
When Kiloby showed you some of your ego attachment you went after him guns ablazing. Ran him off this site. Now you have plenty of excuses why but I saw it for what it was, he pissed you off. Who got pissed off? And why?
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Sandra — I don’t care if their interest is in money or not. Point is, soliciting donations and then insulting would-be donaters is not a good strategy for getting donations.
And in my experience, trying to suspend thoughts is a hopeless exercise in futility.
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The direction to focus on the message is still valid. Forget the messenger. I have compassion for the assumed “struggler” who is angry at a perceived somebody who speaks of non-conceptual awareness. Most have the paradigm of believing they are a separate person with a separate functioning awareness that belongs to them. When they hear a teacher speak of non-duality two things happen: 1) something resonates and they don’t know why and simultaneously 2) they immediately become skeptical of the discussion because they view themselves as a person and assume those who speak clearly also assume they are a person wearing a spiritual cloak to gain followers in some sort of ruse. There’s no going beyond the ego. Nobody ever jumped from being an ego to being an enlightened awareness master. You’re already the natural state itself. Is there awareness of a psycho-somatic character? Can this witnessed/changing/pattern/character be who you are? You’re already what you’re seeking, you just refuse to leave the stance of the pattern for even a micro-second to verify your true nature. In all this mis-focus on a Gilbert; again wasting your precious time that could be going toward understanding–did you notice his free PDF on the seeing-knowing website? It’s pretty darn good and chock full of valid pointers. Quiet your mind and go there. Also, have some respect for your colleagues on this site. Last time I checked, nobody here is a whore dancing on a cocktail table just waiting for you to ask a question in the rudest fashion. “Hey Kimo you prick, I have a question” is a good way to be left without an answer. Have some respect for yourself at least and maybe respect for others will come naturally for you. Goodnight.
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Focusing on Gilbert, his sycophants or his adversaries doesn’t help much…whatever aids in bringing attention back to what you are…is the only pointer….everything else is just thought. Maybe not all of it is useless….but most of it is…
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I have a question:
Do you have to delete a lot of stupid messages on this board?
I find myself having to wade through more and more crap on these pages until I reach the gold. Its getting to the point that I have to simply scroll down the page until I see either a ‘Posted by Gilbert’ or ‘Posted by Randall’ in the corner of my eye.
There is a certain penetration ‘felt’ when the message is clear.
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Gilbert,
Thanks for that question “why are you still searching”?
Off to the couch under the vines to ponder.
Sending a helmet to you.
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When one finds a pointer which really resonates then it is also thought that it will resonate with others.
This of course is not the case and hence many different views and pointers are very valuable. To criticize anyone having a go at pointing is really a poor show. One never knows what will resonate for anyone else.
If you think the posts here are a lot of dribble then off you go somewhere else.
What is clear and obvious is that everything appears in awareness. Think of what you were doing at breakfast, lunch and tea…and then yesterday and five years ago…
Everything appears in that unchanging, immaculate and ever present awareness.
The awareness is the experience of the appearance…it is the same thing…it is not two…
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Unite sycophants; Off to the couch to make G’s penetration ‘felt’
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Scott asked for his program to be removed. I have the email where he asks for that to happen. The problem is ‘people’ imagine HOW this should present itself. It is only a ME that can be offended. That point is bypassed by so many.
Too many goody goody two shoes really makes for a boring ’soup’.
It may be of interest that the majority don’t make any comments. There are hundreds who just download the programs and listen to them. Some of them donate, not many.
My style may be like a pebble in your boot, annoying and seemingly arrogant at times.
It all serves a ‘purpose’. The cure is easy – don’t read my comments – but many don’t have a choice in the scheme of things. Some enjoy being upset.
The direct pointing is often very sharp or subtle – probably passed over too quickly. But as soon as some gritty comment is made the ‘me’ jumps on it with vigor.
You may imagine that you have a really good understanding of Non Duality – but I can tell you that ‘you’ understand nothing at all. That ‘personalized consciousness’ is just a pattern that appears and disappears.
What you truly are has never appeared. That is far too subtle for the intellect.
It is a living experiencing – and it does not accumulate any personal data at all.
It remains pristinely clear and empty.
It cannot be offended by anything.
Now this factor will most probably be mysterious for ‘you’. Why? Because everything you have gathered is erroneous information about a ‘me’. It is a fiction.
There is no two ways to it.
Note: We do not depend on donations. It is a useful gauge. We will produce a lot more programs and also include a lot more variety if the donations start to flow.
How much work would you put into such a thing as this website, and finance it as well?
Some take far too much for granted. If we close the site down because everyone is just too tight fisted over paying a small donation, I am sure there would be many screaming ‘No’ about the closure. Speaking personally, I donate a considerable amount of time each week to bring some high quality programs to this site. I am not impressed by nit picking egos who probably don’t do a damn thing to share any clear message with anyone. They are far too engaged with their ego to even consider sharing anything, especially their money.
I say “*#*%#”…… or in other words “Take a hike Dude”.
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It’s not a problem. It’s OK to be pissed. It’s OK to not like someone (an appearance). None of it disturbs being. I hate to use the “r” word again but, you can’t resonate with everything.
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much ado about no thing…….
“Emptiness here, emptiness there, but the infinite universe
stands always before your eyes.
Infinitely large and infinitely small;
no difference, for definitions have vanished and no boundaries are seen.
So too with Being and non-Being.
Don’t waste time in doubts and arguments that have nothing to do with this.”
~ Seng Ts’an
Gilbert: Who am I and what have you done with “Charlie”?
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Tolerance will happen for abusive posts or it won’t. I have no need to project or uphold a spiritual self-image. If you do, and you are bonded to that concept; good luck with that. My reality isn’t that of being a tolerant person or an intolerant person. All of these attributes appear or do not appear in what I am. No need for a contrived holy response to abuse; whatever arises is what will appear to happen. No apparent posters, I’ve noticed, have immunity from criticism on this website; not myself or even Gilbert (and that’s also “okay”). “Nobody” has any immunity from push-back; especially not under the guise of “it just happens”. Putting somebody back in their place and reminding folks to be respectful of one another is just a happening too. None of it affects our true nature. One big happy family!
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Sorry to interrupt your dream, Gilbert–but YOU still see separate “people.” Give up the charade, dude. You’re only fooling yourself and a handful of your devoted followers who have been hypnotized into believing that the “me” is an evil virus that must be gotten rid of by laying around on their couches for 16 hours a day and focusing on no-thing “awareness.” (Newsflash PEOPLE: There’s NOTHING there to focus on)
Seriously man. Do yourself a favor and just admit it: YOU’RE STILL SEEKING.
You’re a prime example of a separate individual who has absolute clarity on Nonduality, and who has adopted Nonduality as a religion/identity.
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The abuser attacks Gilbert and says “ah-ha!” I’ve got him now. I can say whatever I please because I have an image of Gilbert as a spiritual person who is bound to a code of honoring whatever arises and cuddling it with love–so he will not respond if he is holy and not a false holy man! First of all, whatever arises in response is what arises. Holding back is what standard religion and repression teaches. Secondly, there isn’t a separate Gilbert responding at all. This whole melodrama is appearing in what you are with no independent characters separate from awareness. I couldn’t care less whether Gilbert has a spiritual persona or not. He’s around the 60% clear posts/40% PhD posts level in my opinion and what does it matter? His free PDF on seeing-knowing site is good (I don’t have vested interest in pleasing Gilbert, so trust me, read that PDF!)
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And the Nonduality persona, who believes itself to be No-Thing Awareness, says: “Ah-ha! Look at that ‘abuser’ attacking Gilbert over there. What a fool. I’m going to be clever and point out to him that he’s only attacking a mental image, because I too have a mental image of an ‘abuser’ attacking a mental image of Gilbert. And day after day I will return to the same online forum, reiterating the same circle of beliefs over and over again so that I can remind myself of what I truly am so that I can hedge myself into a mental construct called ‘the space of awareness in which life appears,’ so that I can live in a constant state of denial and detach myself from the harsh realities of life.”
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Keep up the chatter “Kimo” or is it “Jim” that answered in your mind the question as to “What Am I” ?
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Nice. Keep up the chatter “Kimo” or was it “Jim” that answered in your mind the question “What Am I?”
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And as for Gilbert’s new book of delicious pointers–how many damn pointers to absolute nothingness does the world need?
How’s this for a pointer… What happens when you delete all subjects and objects from life? What’s left?
And the answer is:
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So Gilbert, would it be correct to conclude that before and after Nonduality: “Chop words, carry ego…”?
As Kimo has so eloquently displayed while being the ‘butt’ of a Sailor Bob “prickle” joke — there are NO assumed separate characters, yet surprisingly there ARE people (UGC colleagues no less) that demand respect!
Anyway, a couple other things, the fact that Gilbert leaves all the ‘objective’ heckling on the site sorta adds to his “credibility” it seems. Also, to actually think the time and effort put into this site would be in pursuit of a money-making adventure is, well, laughable is it not? There’s no money to be made in this tune. The Tollehouse Cookieman is an entirely different game…
And lastly, Randall! Wow, it’s like the helium balloons deflated, the coffee went tepid, and the scones staled over at your Book Release Party… But this is IT. I know you’ll come in with the fitting and apropos words in your own timing, but if I were the virtual emcee at Barnes & Noble I would love to hand the microphone over to you and see what takes place — obviously feel free to hold the hot mic and look over the crowd, but I’m hoping everyone’s taken their seat.
Cool site, from a fan, Gilbert, Areti, speakers of the house, and all humorous commenters…
P.S. “Off to the couch to make G’s penetration felt” is probably the most vulgar UGC comment thus far!
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much ado about no thing…….
“Emptiness here, emptiness there, but the infinite universe
stands always before your eyes.
Infinitely large and infinitely small;
no difference, for definitions have vanished and no boundaries are seen.
So too with Being and non-Being.
Don’t waste time in doubts and arguments that have nothing to do with this.â€
~ Seng Ts’an
Gilbert: Who am I and what have you done with “Charlie�
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Hey, again, the opportunity is to focus on the message. What do all (most) people want? They want the floor and attention and for things to be about them. This is your chance. Gilbert would be more than willing, selflessly, for you to ask question after question and make this site about you and resolving your doubts. I’d gladly step to the background also and see you get your doubts cleared up. Nothing would make “me happier” than to see this resonate with you. Please don’t waste your opportunity. This reminds me of a friend who absolutely hates Pres Obama (the US president). During his campaign, my friend listened to every Obama speech and also put two stickers on his bumper. One said “Vote NO-Bama” and the other one said “If you like Socialism vote Obama”. There was no sticker anywhere about the Republican candidate; only 2 talking about Obama. I told my friend he’s just as tied to Obama as all of his supporters. Reminds me of all the detractors of Gilbert. You seem very passionate about him. Maybe you actually care about him??
Well, he cares about “you”. So ask your questions. Let’s level the non-sense from this forum and make this about YOU getting your questions resolved. Have at it. This is your chance to let your defenses down and have Gilbert clear things up for you. Peace, Kimo
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much ado about no thing…….
“And don’t throw pearls before swine unless you made a purse of them first”
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No matter how big an egoic conflagration gets, there’s one thing to remember – THERE IS NO EGO. Seriously.
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Kimo, …. perhaps Roger cares about Gilbert when he said to him:
“Seriously man. Do yourself a favor and just admit it: YOU’RE STILL SEEKING”.
… and why do you think that Gibert is the ONE that will clear things up for you, can someone else also clear things up for Gilbert, Randall, etc… ? We are all egos here (in the appearance) and to suggest that ‘listen to what Gibert says’ is just non-sense. NO one has THE answer and no one ever will. This is the WHOLE point.
P.S. Thank you Gilbert for not deleting some of these messages that appear to be against you. It is all part of what is. Let the viewer decide what to take in and what to disregard is the best policy, I think.
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“there’s one thing to remember – THERE IS NO EGO. Seriously”
The so-called ‘ego’ is like a dream or a flower in air: foolish to try to grasp it; all dualities come from ignorant inference. Why remember “THERE IS NO EGO” ?, since all is empty, clear, self-illuminating, with no exertion of the mind’s power! When no discriminating thoughts arise, the old mind ceases to exist. (to paraphrase the Hsin Hsin Ming). Nothing can trouble you but your own imagination. (I AM THAT p.113). “SEEING that ‘I am’ beyond what is appearing in the observing is highly informative”- (Gilbert) See what happens in the immediacy, the actuality of ‘what you are’ with this ghost called ‘ego’; It’s a ’serious’ relieve beyond remembering!!
And in case of doubt:
“… simply say, ‘Not two’ “-(Hsin Hsin Ming)
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Clifford–whatever you take me to be or whatever you take my intentions to be (demanding respect) there’s no separation from awareness and no inconsistency there. Everything is free to arise in this. Demanding respect or defending my family from harm happens nowhere else than in this awareness. Action in appearance or relating or defending does not connote the rise of a separate entity who has being on his own (although there’s an implicit assumption that it does according to you). Whatever you take me to be is IN awareness, is it not? Has the ego battle and your resultant cleverness ever departed from awareness where I stand alone as a character and you are separate from me as a character? And for the others who quibble about my advice to get help from Gilbert–I’m doing that, because, like Clifford, you see yourself as a separate being who isn’t “there yet”. I have no problem relating to you on that level until you understand you never were separate. Whatever stones thrown over that who cares? Also, an interesting note, not meant as a challenge to anyone but as a contemplation–when you say that Gilbert is still seeking….what exactly is it that is seeking? What do you take a seeking Gilbert to be? I can’t even picture it. Are you imagining a thought that is seeking other pleasant/liberating thoughts or a body pattern that is seeking? Where or what is a seeking Gilbert? Describe that to yourself and an insight may arise about your own seeking nature.
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Clifford,
Love to you, my friend.
If you’re at a party, I wasn’t invited. Have a couple cold ones for me.
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Again – there is no ego. There are thoughts appearing in present awareness. The ego is just a thought – nothing real or substantial. It doesn’t matter if “Gilbert” or any other apparent character is still seeking or not. There is no Gilbert or any other entity apart from consciousness. Why waste time thinking about the “children of barren mothers” as Nisargadatta used to say.
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Just a thought :
…. instead of constantly reading other people’s pointer’s or describing what present awareness is, why don’t you look at yourself and question ‘who is this ‘I’ that I take myself to be. If you do this exercise with brutal honesty, the answer will KILL you ! Dare to go ?
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I never inderstood that ‘brutal honesty’ stuff. Why ‘brutal’ ? Who is supposed to be impressed by this oxymoron? And why should we read your ‘other’s people’-pointer?
Honestly I think it’s brutal to see the mote in your brother’s eye, but not to see the beam in your own eye. “When you cast the beam out of your own eye, then you will see clearly to cast the mote from your brother’s eye.”
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Roger asked, what happens when you delete all subjects and objects from life? What’s left?
what happens – nothing,
whats left? – life
subject/object is only an interpretation.
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If all you ‘Gilbert-bashers’ and complainers think that you are harming and undermining Gilbert’s reputation think again!
You are doing him a favor-drawing the attention to this side,providing entertainment in other wise boring and monotonous pointing.I bet he probably double the downloads and comes out looking very innocent- like a saint -dedicated to spreading the message no matter the consequences or abuse.
Think again before you write another ‘bashing post’.
I for one am only more impressed and ‘devoted’ to this side than before.
Before he was just another guy having a website about non-duality,now he is a hero and he has you guys to thank for!
You will get tired of writing stupid posts and Gilbert will get all the followers and recognition that you are so hard trying to get.
All your efforts to discredit UGC and Gilbert only goes to make him appear as the most understanding and compassionate teacher and this side as most entertaining-controversial-informative.You are fulfilling his mission statement.
Keep up the good work guys!!!!!!!!!!
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What a joke. We can start a new TV show based on this ’shite’. A few choice words in the right place and the ‘perfect ones’ show all their dirt.
How absurd to read some of these examples of ‘drivel’ and ’slops’, written in such sanctimonious twaddle.
Let’s make this clear: “I am not the button pusher – I am not the button pusher’s son – I am just pushing buttons ’till the Button Pusher comes”. (and I haven’t really started yet)
What is amazing is that the program “You are No Thing” demolishes almost every point of view being expressed here in the comments. Including my own comments – but that doesn’t stop the expressions from happening. This is not a a place for reserved expressions of ‘Hi, I am a sacred individual”.
As the old saying goes: You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make the horse drink.
What we have here is a bunch of dying horses, too stubborn to drink in the message.
Every opinion and every thought appears and disappears without incident.
What is hanging on to something? What duration does it have if you leave it be?
There in that ‘hanging onto’ is the territory of the ‘me’. Explore it.
You have nothing to lose.
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I know this isn’t a social club, Gilbert…but I would LOVE to attend a Book Release party for Randall! Everyone invited…every CHARACTER
who shows up here, NO ONE excluded…
Anyone up for a trip to Chicago!? I’ll host the party…
RSVP as soon as possible!!!
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As someone above has said-we can’t possibly attack anything-supposing that we can attack at all (we can’t)-except awareness itself. I would laugh if I didn’t know I’ll probably be doing the same flipping thing myself in 2 minutes. On second thought, I think I’ll laugh anyway–haha.
I liked Randall’s presentation. But when he says we don’t know what the tree is–well, I would say, humbly, that we do know–it is absolutely that WHATEVER IT IS there that gets translated by the word/idea tree. It is that, you know…that. and absolutely nothing else but that–not even awareness–if you know what I mean…….And that “that” is the only being that it has anywhere in the “three worlds”.
This is a nit that doesn’t need to be picked here, but I want to speak my penny’s worth of wisdom while I may.
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The ‘oven’ is hot and the cakes are getting cooked. Basting them with a little ‘brown sugar’ gives them a lovely crispy brown top. Are you cooked yet?
Addressed to no one in particular. Take note of that sentence twice.
Having said that, it may be of interest to the reader to observe the apparent process of ‘being offended’ and how it can possibly occur. It is highly probably that at some point, the ‘me’ will associate with some set of words and ‘before you know it’ some engagement happens and an emotional response kicks in. Remember, that I said that this is addressed to ‘no one in particular’. But since it is ‘all about you’, it will be particularized most probably and so a little drama happens – for ‘no one in particular’.
‘You’ may think you are pretty clever and on the button most of the time – it is nothing but self-image and it is the culprit – anyone who does you a favor of exposing it so that a good glimpse can be had, is a friend indeed. He may be an unwelcome guest, named as an ‘enemy’ or ‘an arrogant so and so’ – but the service is provided, none the less.
To take it personally may, oddly enough, be of service to yourself – a not so rare service in your life……but it is not usually available in so-called ‘spiritual circles’. It is far too confronting and spoils the spiritual atmosphere too much.
Only a friend will tell you things that you need to hear. So, read on dear one and see how far you get, before some hairs on the back of your neck start to stand up all on their own.
Your whole life is a means of non-recognition of your true nature. You service a mechanical way of living as if your life depended on it.
What is missing is simply the recognition of your true nature but the mind is far too busy filling in every available space, with mental noise and grasping consciousness.
Even your spiritual journey is crammed with every conceivable notion about some future time of an imagined deliverance into ‘enlightenment’ or merely deliverance to ‘a place’ away your troubles. Yet, being blind to these beliefs and the absurdity of it all, you give all your energy to the manufacture of an endless series of problems and imaginary mind projections.
All of your problems are so un-real and it seems to be an impossibility that this fact goes undiscovered and even unnoticed, day after day. Yet is does, without fail.
You muster all kinds of pride from the things you scavenge from meetings, spiritual books and sacred texts. Your bookcase is full of books your have only skimmed through. Your spiritual self-image is a joke to all your non-spiritual friends and to your spiritual friends it is either envied of scoffed at, in private.
Recognition of one’s true nature can never be contrived by the intellect and to believe that one can achieve it via such means is just a mind game with no way out. Decades upon decades pass by and nothing of any consequence happens. Methods are used and endless practices just bring more and more frustration or endless maintenance of that ‘self-image’, to keep it intact. Servility to a fabricated image of self – inadvertently taken on board, without question or without any true investigation of its merits, if any.
It is all a realm of the absurd, to say the least. But who wants to investigate the grounds of their sacred beliefs? Very few, it would seem.
Recognition of our true nature is ALWAYS unexpected and yet ever available.
Right now is the only time it ‘happens’.
It is not conditional.
Like awareness itself, it is not touched by thought or image.
However, if the mind ceases to translate ‘what is’ for just a moment, the thoughtless open view is fertile ground for the recognition of our true nature to ‘happen’.
There is no answer in the mind. So stop looking there for an answer.
You must see this for yourself. No one can do it for you.
Entertaining – informative – innovative and controversial. Prickly inclusions are a bonus feature.
Warmest regards – Gilbert.
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A very devoted disciple, who was also an insomniac and dyslexic, sat up all night trying to work out if there really was a dog!
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Nothing conceivable or perceivable
more subtle than space
and not even that
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Look right here and now – no future attainment is yet to come.
Right here and now – do you exist? The answer is yes. This is the most certain thing you know. There can be no arguments about your existence. It’s self-evident.
But how do you know? How do you know you exist? How is it SO certain? WHY is it so certain?
Isn’t it SO certain, because you are obviously present, right here and now? Isn’t it so undeniable because you are obviously aware, right here and now.
So check in your own experience – you are present and aware. This is undeniable. This is the most certain aspect of any experience. You are always there, present and aware, no matter what the experience is, no matter the content of experience, good or bad.
That aware presence doesn’t change, while the thoughts change, the body changes, the world changes. Situations go from good to bad to good to bad. All the while, you remain, present and aware.
See if this is true with your experience.
So the undeniable fact of your beingness is that you ARE – that presence/awareness is always here. THAT is what you are.
And see that this is not moving, not changing, not ever affected by changing, confusing, troubling thoughts. It’s not ever affected by happy thoughts.
These thoughts come and then they are followed by sensations in the body – tightness or looseness, pain or pleasure. Yet you remain, present and aware.
The idea of ME comes – the situation at hand is referencing that ME – yet this ME isn’t what you are. This ME can only be another thought – you remain present and aware.
Throughout the search, there is a focus on a spiritual attainment, some state, some experience, as validation. There is a reference again to this ME who might finally “get it”. None of this affects the immediacy of this presence, this awareness.
Therefore nothing needs to be found – what you are seeking is already fully present, fully aware.
The search is all about looking FOR your true nature. When you recognize that what you are is what is DOING THE LOOKING, the very aware-presence BY WHICH the search is conducted, then the confusion falls away.
You ARE – look right now at the obviousness of your existence.
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Thanks for the Post.
few questions eventhough silly from real nature’s point of view but still they happen to occur.
Yes for moments I feel the deep silience but again it get missed.. what exactly happens here?.. whether the self forgets itself again or again its child play of the mind?
Thanks
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Vishal,
Hello my friend. Good to hear from you.
Can that presence-awareness be missed? Look around – is that aware presence being missed, in the focus on “things”?
Even if the situation is totally engrossed – what is the very basis of it’s appearance? Isn’t it that awareness/presence?
Therefore what you are is never absent – never missed – never in need of remembering. Simply see that this aware presence is your true nature – the very essence of any experience. Then experience can come and go as it does – what you are is obvious and ever-present.
You cannot lose your true nature – therefore there is no need to find it. It is simply pointed out – it’s been overlooked in identification with the body-mind, a body-mind which cannot appear unless that aware-presence is there.
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+1
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Silence isn’t needed any more than noise – both appear in being.
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Morgan isn’t needed any more than Randall. They’re both noise in the Being that I Am. Just kidding! (kinda). I’m ready to pop some of those stale scones back in the microwave to get them fresh again and we can get this Randall book-signing thing back into full-gear; whether we do it virtually or in-person in Chicago as Robin suggested. Morgan, Please don’t tell me whether you’re a man or a woman. I sort of like imagining you as a woman. I like the way you blurt out bossy non-duality short statements. They’re usually always right on the mark and very loving. I like having you on this site. Goodnight.
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How long can u sleep?
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Kimo’s lullaby’s only affects the rest of us, I’m afraid.
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Hey Gilbert just a line to say feeling lost with it all, thoghts and feelings have been kicking this reference point about for a few days with the clarity of seeing being missed, this reference point seems to be as soilid as ever . on waking up the separatness seems to punch me smack in the face saying your never going to see through me , this which intuitivley seems so simple and obvious like you say at the same time seems impossible to let go of, THIS ME. love to you . Jacob
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Hey Jacob, there’s no-body there who is thinking those thoughts – just look and see – how random, how unpredictable, always changing – like Bob says ‘Who can tell me what their next thought is going to be?’
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Thanks areti, its the impact of this me refrenceing, spot, feeling, that feels so heavy in all this at the moment. the beleife is still here fighting .with ideas of it not being true being here at the same time. I know concepts concepts blinking concepts, They just seem so real and holding sometimes. love Jacob
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Jacob, there’s no one there with vested interest in those thoughts.
Don’t invest belief in them, think about how unreal all those stories you told yourself are to you now. And as Bob says, ‘Full stop’ those ideas, they aren’t even who you are.’ The less you pay mind to them, the quicker they fall away. Neti, neti – not this, not this – not any translation of the mind. No truth lies there. No interpretation about life or non-duality is the truth of what you are.
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Calvin–not at all. The sleep state arises and passes in what we are. You never sleep. If you’re searching, check out the posts by Morgan and Gilbert. She’s nearly always on target and once in awhile Gilbert has 3 or 4 clear posts in a row. They can assist if you feel a separate person and are struggling. There is no separate person, true, so there’s no object or appearance to rehabilitate and nothing to make see “oneness”, as oneness is all there is…but if there never arose an appearance of a struggling seeker, we’d have nothing to talk about on this website. We’d say “Gilbert, Randall, Morgan, are you there? Yep, Yep. Okay, nothing new? No. See you tomorrow”. And we definitely wouldn’t be fulfilling the #1 charter of this site which is listed on the header “Entertaining”–lest we forget.
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Not able to attend so often to the comments in recent times. Rather busy with other matters. In the first instant of waking up, there may be a few moments of ‘thoughtless reality’. Be conscious of the consciousness. Don’t label things – just be the clear seeing.
There is a subtle taste in those moments. They will ‘increase’ once you start to take notice. ‘Small moves’ they may appear to be, but the whole charade crumbles once that taste spreads or expands – it reveals itself as the very ground of all being.
It may sound like a theoretical postulation and you won’t believe it – you can only be it as the knowing immediacy. THIS knowing immediacy is here right NOW.
The only thing that seemingly covers it is some conceptual notions that arise from habitual beliefs – unquestioned beliefs. Investigate them and realize the natural freedom of right here, right now.
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Thanks Kimo.
Jacob, you are wholeness right now. Any thought that pops up about not having it is just an idea appearing in present awareness. No thought can hurt what you are – it’s just not possible. They all come and go without leaving a mark. Has there ever been a thought that lasted forever? NO. They subside and you STILL ARE. The self image struggles and suffers under the seeming burden of itself but it has no more reality than a mirage. It simply isn’t real. It’s just an image appearing and disappearing in what you are. Look for yourself.
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I’m serious…Anyone want to come to Chicago? It’s great in the summer!
Randall, I know you are close enough.
Why not have some fun in person?
Gilbert and Areti, better get on that plane NOW!
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No problem Morgan. You’re good at what you do and I’m good at calling it when it’s warranted. Just don’t ever turn-out like a buffoon or somebody who doesn’t like being prickled (I still don’t know what that is) or you will lose your credibility–which is all a dream anyway and when we try to grasp the character and its attributes it only slips through our fingers like sand since a described character or a sum-total of historical accounts that a character performs is not who we are. That ground of being quote you’ve got where there’s no spiritual heirarchy from that vantage point is spot on. We’ve never left that vantage point where all is appearance(s). Thank you for continuing to post and proving to me that 100% business isn’t dry at all, it’s still good reading. Also wondering if you’re going to John’s talk in DC next weekend (where I live). I’ve never been to a talk from any non-duality teacher in “my” life. Still don’t know if I’m going. I may ask him to arm wrestle before paying the $20 daily entrance fee. I wouldn’t mind paying to see Bob because maybe he needs medicine or something, but I don’t like the idea of footing John’s bar tab or his extravagant DC vacation just to listen to his holiness speak.
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Thanks for the Post.
few question eventhough silly from real nature point of view but still they happen to occur.
Yes for moments I feel the deep silience but again it get missed.. what exactly happens here?.. whether the self forgets itself again or again its child play of the mind?
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sorry for the earlier repeated question..please ingnore it….
Thanks for your answer. feels like answer from myself when i read the reply from you.
Today moning which coming to work a thought /understanding raised in the mind that the mind cannot understand the self.. the presence a a deep surrender has occured giving a a good feeling?
Now if this feeling occurs to the awareness or the mind?
Why is the mind sad that i cannot grab the truth, eventhough there is a deep relaxation?
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It goes without saying that the beginning of a new workweek (at least for those of us that don’t yet have the obligatory Guru-throne and worshippers; “How shall we fuck off, oh Lord?”) sees a soaring seeking nervosity. Monday has passed and we soon adjust to another day at the office; competitors bested, obstacles overcome. What was the problem again? Oh yes, I have to find myself, where am I again,… oh yes prior to…, no!, beyond the beyond that’s it … Oh well f**k it! Then I’m reminded of: “Your bookcase is full of books your have only skimmed through” How could I forget since I spended already a fortune on buying those books. Mostly of this Adya … something guy. We’ll maybe his right I’d better read those thoroughly …
Yes, I could be on to something here …
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When arguing with an idiot, first they bring you down to their level and then they beat you on experience (at being an idiot).
Yes, many have spent a fortune on books and seminars, workshops and endless retreats.
Nothing works.
We ignore our true nature.
What effort are you making ‘to be’ right now?
The ‘you’ that you think you are is just a concept, transient and ephemeral.
Why do you give it so much importance?
Its nature is ‘change’.
What you truly are is still and quiet, wordless and silent.
Understanding is not in the mind.
The mind needs to be understood.
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Gilbert this statement really hit home:
“Your whole life is a means of non-recognition of your true nature. You service a mechanical way of living as if your life depended on it.”
I appreciate what you write here and the programs you produce. I have not been able to contribute money to this site yet but when I get on my feet I will. I hope you just ignore the a** holes who complain and are not taking advantage of what’s offered here.
Thanks man
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Don’t worry about donations. It isn’t a big deal. Some of those who can afford to donate do so and of course many don’t even consider the idea. This service is free.
Just like your true nature is completely free.
‘We’ simply ignore it………..until its too late.
Of course it is never too late.
As I said once before, a great deal more could be done on this site and the potential is vast.
However, I have financed many projects over the last nine years to get the clear message out there. None of those projects have brought much return financially. I did not expect them to. ‘People’ take too much for granted. Yet they will go and spend a small fortune on some seminar that actually serves to bind them more and more into time and process.
Ironic, isn’t it. There is a tremendous freedom ‘here’. This pattern can appear in all sorts of ways, moods and expressions. There is no one here to alter or judge it (any more).
I am just as entertained as anybody else is, about the things that get expressed here.
My career was in Radio for decades. Now those skills are being used here for better or worse, in sickness and in health, for whatever benefits the message.
I could do a great deal more, but as I say, I am not going to finance seekers any more than I already have done so. User pays…….but only if they can afford to. Everyone has access, so long as they can get their hands on the programs. Warmest regards – Gilbert.
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Robin, I’d be up for a trip to Chicago, but we will have to hold a group and make it worth Randall’s and Giblert’s effort, we don’t want them to be out of pocket. Me, I am prepared to pay my way.
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Gilbert, just gotta say this — yes, I think of all of us as separate people. With accumulated actions to show for it. Your attempts to prickle folks is easily transparent — you’re throwing stuff out there to see if “egos” get riled up. In the popular sense, if “the perceived in entity” isn’t that “egotistical” it doesn’t stick, and you’re still seen to be “cool character” out there.
Like Randall’s a good guy; friendly and shit. Areti’s cool. But a guy like Kimo (Jim) is so fucking annoying. The constant babble — does “intelligence ever choose to shut that pie hole up”? It’s like “in the appearance” he’s deemed himself the entertainer and Gong Show judge of the comments section. The podcasts are what’s entertaining not the requisite Kimo (Jim) show.
So yes, Kimo prickles. And it’s pointing to a place that gets annoyed with the incessant comments. But it’s also like in the appearance a bumblebee’s first seen to be a cool floating cartoon animation — then you get stung. Maybe you get stung twice. Past experience memorized shows, “oh maybe bumblebees aren’t that cool to hang with.”
I’m sorry, but there’s a me that wishes Kimo would shut the fuck up for maybe ONE podcast?
So the question: Does intelligence observe this annoyance? This believed in reference point that cannot stomach Kimo (Jim) — or is it simply intelligence arising?
I’m sorry this is soooo off-base… Randall, I know I’m taking Advaita to a kindergarten or maybe even potty-training level, but you got anything for me? There’s something you guys are saying that’s making perfect sense — and then, it all seems like fantasy.
Whether one calls it holding things to be ‘good or bad,’ or just intelligence expressing itself — it’s almost semantics…?
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Hey Areti, what makes you an “also-ran”? I appreciate your humility but I say you, Morgan, and Mary McGovern (if she’s interested in going) should have their way paid. Gilbert has a $2,000+ sound mixer and all I have is an $80 boom box I bought 10yrs ago. I’m hoping to upgrade to a little Bose $400 set soon. And Randall is a book mogul and scone bakery owner. He doesn’t need any trip paid for. Bob is probably rich from a pension and real estate but I’d still chip in for him so he can get his cough syrup or whatever and also Charlie who is another retiree who may need the funds. All chest thumpers/ “experts who stand apart from the rest” pay their own way!
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Ha! Hot scones, anyone?
Reginald – hello my friend. It doesn’t have anything to do with some levels of knowledge – more knowledge is exactly the opposite of true knowing.
Seeing is happening, right here and now. Are you presently aware? Yes. You cannot deny that you are. The “seeing” isn’t a ME-seeing. The “seeing” is actually prior to the ME, prior to the senses – it “shines prior to” the eyes, ears, and other senses.
That pure functioning is already happening, ceaselessly and effortlessly. Yet it’s constantly overlooked as unimportant or boring or “it can’t be that simple” or whatever.
It IS that simple. It is already blindingly obvious, yet what it IS, is taken to be something it is not – it is taken to be “ME-seeing”.
The “ME” arises AND passes IN the seeing. The seeing is unchanging – yet that construction of the “ME-character” is always changing – it is the most changeful aspect of all experience – subject to change with the weather, with a different song on the radio, with a stern look from your spouse or a snide comment from a friend.
Recognize that seeing – that pure functioning in this very moment – this right here is the only time and place it can be known – all else is conceptual and imagination.
love
randall
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Intelligent comments happen.Annoyance happens.Friendly feelings happen.Boredom happens. “Fuck you” happens. “Oh yeah?” happens.If I am going to sally forth after anyone in all of this, it is going to be after that bastard, Lord Justhappensness.
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Areti, we can hold a group if necessary…
It can be the Urban Guru Cafe LIVE!
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Robin,
In the meantime, as we’re all surfing the best travel rates, anyone can meet “face-to-face” in the virtual UGC in Second Life.
There are new pictures – http://www.seeing-knowing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=83&Itemid=77 – it’s been “professionally” decorated and designed, a cool and comfortable hotspot – UGC episodes, videos, strong coffee and interesting conversation.
Getting in Second Life is free – it requires a program to download (http://secondlife.com), then create and name your avatar, then follow the link – http://slurl.com/secondlife/Isle%20of%20Gribley/6/124/21/?title=The%20Urban%20Guru%20Cafe.
I’m there occasionally and upon request – we might be able to organize a live UGC speaker, maybe get Gilbert and the gang “in-world”.
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I didn’t see Catherine Harding or Areti Alexova on the 2nd Life Virtual cafe speaker recognition board. And the one in the middle on the bottom I didn’t recognize–maybe John Greven.
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I will attend the Second Life meetings, whenever possible. First I have to ‘learn how’ to become a virtual character and move my virtual limbs in a graceful way. Don’t want anyone getting the ‘wrong idea about ME’. Ha. It may be an excellent way of sharing.
We have to develop a means of throwing out the ‘nutters’.
Let’s see how it goes. Next week I will have some time to explore it all.
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Kimo,
Good point. Thanks for volunteering. Send pictures of Catherine and Areti and I’ll get them on the board.
Yes, it’s John Greven.
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Mission accomplished. Make sure those go up and we’ll have a little balance with the females properly recognized. Also, I like the chocolate covered glazed better than scone. Goodnight and good luck with your book sales.
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Try and sleep in…
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For me it would read better if I had to wade thru less posts, particularly the personal attacks and the vulgarity.
I humbly suggest that the moderator moderate and clean up this site somewhat. Just my opinion.
Areti,
Why go to Chicago? Don’t they have enough political corruption where you are?
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Just listen to the podcasts. The comments are only a bonus, Dick.
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Actually, Richard’s comments could be removed and that would help considerably, in my opinion. The question that begs to be asked is – Richard, what possible interest do you have in this site? There is a great movie you might like called “Grumpy Old Men”.
Let us know how it goes with the movie, any insights etc.
Cheers mate – G
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ha! the cake thing is cool! randall, will u be serving virtual scones in second life?
the cake was already cooked before it was even placed in the oven. leaving it in the oven too long will result in a seriously burnt cake. take it out and eat and celebrate!
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Have to admit, I’m a little gun-shy on the virtual UGC in Second Life.
I’m not so computer literate…
Thanks for the instructions, Randall. I’ll check it out!
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It strikes me as strange that Oneness is bickering with Itself. Isn’t there enough of that among the wordly-minded?
Take a look at the Advaitin group (Advaitin@yahoogroups.com). There the folks are often quite knowledgeable and treat one another with respect. In other words, they treat others as if they had a mind and feelings. Otherwise their post would be removed.
My interest here is in nonduality and wisdom. It is found here amongst the childish egoic expressions. Like looking for a needle in a haystack sometimes.
Gilbert, You’re very busy. If you want me to be a co-moderator for a while and clean things up, let me know. I have done so in another group.
Grumpy Old Men: Good cast, well acted, funny in parts but no “Citizen Cane”. I give it three stars (or for this group: one finger up).
Peace out, my brothers and sisters.
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Kimo, I considered going to DC to see John but I’m broke AND, what’s the point? I don’t think it’s unfair for John to get $20 for his talk. – hopefully it’ll end up paying his expenses. I paid $20 to see another advaita “guru” and all I got was a lousy sales pitch for the “intensive” happening the next day. I’m sure John will “give it to em’” straight.
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Kimo said John’s talk is $20 daily. Actually it’s $20 per meeting. 2 meetings Saturday and one on Sunday. Plus bring food and $5 if you want to join the potluck. (Hope there’s enough pot to go around.)
I’ve got mixed feelings about attending. It would mean a bit of driving and expenses. And I would have to impose on my son and his wife to stay in their small apartment. Can anyone give valid reasons pro or con for going there?
Thanks,
Rich
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Well…… what will you get from hearing yet one more of these talks?
Nothing will change except you’ll be twenty bucks and a tank of gas down.
It’s THIS he’ll be pointing at. Again.
Nothing more.
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Nice to see some are trying to resolve the issue of ‘what am I’ with the sense of urgency and intensity of a man who’s hair is on fire
I hope the pot will turn out right for you, Rich. (If you don’t have access to internet over there, I’ll consider that as a ‘pro’)
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Morgan–I really don’t think it’s unfair either to ask $20 per session. I was only testing the water and asking because I assume you live within a 5 or 6 hour drive and really enjoy John’s stuff. I was already leaning toward NOT going but maybe would have been swayed if another interesting attendee were going. It’s hard for me to stomach the thought of any sort of guru including John. I’m not interested in playing the non-guru guru game either (as a participant or as a speaker). But there’s somewhat of a social element that I’ve felt I missed by only reading on my own and talking/emailing with John briefly a few years ago, but when the whole enlightenment thing lost it’s meaning (as there is nobody there to be enlightened) I’ve never had much of an urge to be in any group session. So maybe the UGC is my way of having that interaction that never happened in the traditional frenzied seeking way. It has it’s “pay-offs” (hanging around here) as I get to read clear writings once in awhile like your stuff. It’s just a little odd that I’m not bigtime interested in seeing John, even though I consider him the guy who made a big difference for “me”. He’s coming to my own backyard this weekend and then in a couple weeks I’ll be at my niece’s baptism in San Jose (only minutes from John’s area) and hadn’t planned to pop into any session there either.
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Would someone explain to me what it means when someone says “Nothing is really happening it’s only a projection of your mind” Thanks
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It’s Codvaita Speak my son. Nothing more.
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There is no duality in Non Duality.
There is no Neo Advaita or Traditional Advaita, except in your own mind.
Every expression is UNIQUE and spontaneous.
The apparent duration of ‘the life of a me’ is floating in emptiness, devoid of volume and duration – it is ephemeral and just like a dream – it is a dream.
Wakefulness is presence-awareness – timeless – ever fresh.
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“Nothing is really happening it’s only a projection of your mindâ€
In this podcast Randall’s points out that there is no ‘your mind’ let alone a ‘mind’.
Randall: “Mind is not something; Mind is a concept … What we know as mind is thought” So then what would be projecting what on to what? And doesn’t that imply duality? And wouldn’t that be a happening?
What you are cannot be seen, yet it is all that is seen; Nothing being everything; “Life isn’t one damned thing after another. It’s one ‘thing’ over and over again”. “One essence appearing as everything” to quote Bob Adamson. Something happening only appears as a story later on, in memory; It’s only ever THIS one essence appearing as this and that; the sea and the waves are not separate. You might dream that you lose your house in a fire but upon awakening did something really happen?; It appears so, but the essence is never lost. “The sword can’t cut it, fire can’t burn it”.
Hi Kimo, Can you also post a complete list of all the places/activities you’ll be at during which you will amazingly not be attending the upcoming talks of John ?;-)
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In reply to Sully’s request:
What begins ends. Nothing begins or ends. There is only the
beginningless and endless which is not nothing.
The Absolute truth stated by Gaudapada and restated by Ramana: “There is no dissolution or creation, no one in bondage, nor anyone pursuing spiritual practices. There is no one desiring liberation, nor anyone liberated. This is the absolute truth”.
Ramana goes on to say, “One who is established in the Self sees this by his knowledge of the Self”.
There is only one. Not parts of one or one nothingness but only one as it has always been, will ever be.
The ultimate truth is nothing whatsoever is born. Nothing happens! This is it, always was, always will be, without the word always which can be nitpicked to death by hungry nits in order to disprove their absence.
There is only the one unborn, undying, everlasting Oneness without two. Only God as God. Not God as trees or God as people. Only God as God infinitely, eternally, beyond the infinite and eternal and anything else minds might grasp upon. And beyond and inaccessible to so called minds.
Anything or any being, any perception or conception, is totally false.
Nothing can be added to the transcendental God.
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I’m hoping some more folks will be interested in hopping into Second Life to meet up. I’ve checked it out a few times and nobody was there. Thanks Randall for setting up the UGC hang-out.
If anybody wants to try it out and needs some help getting started, I’d be glad to help. Just reply to this and we’ll figure out a way to get in touch.
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Thanks to those who replied to my question about seeing John.
Dualdave,
I may give that Second Life thing a shot. Would definitely need help getting started with it.
Rich
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The SL Meeting in Nonduality and Advaita is going on right now, for those interested.
If you have SL already, click here…
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Spirit%20City/183/37/237
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Richard and Kimo, I’ve been to a few of Wheeler’s talks. I’ve also been to a few Tolle, Adyashanti, and other guru type’s talks. I live in Nothern California after all. Wheeler is definitely NOT a guru type. He’s totally accessible and we even chatted about music after the last talk I attended. There was no holier than though vibe put on and he even dismissed the notion that something special was happening between him and others in the room. I’ve still not come across anyone else who points so directly and consistently as him. It was very appreciated.
He also sings songs with his guitar during the talks so if you feel weird contributing money for “the truth”, you can think of it as paying for a concert.
He has a day job and should absolutely be compensated for his trip.
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It is the ‘me’ that is fascinated with the false. The self-image.
One of the basic differences between what is usually offered in material on Non Duality and what is offered here is that there is no service for any self-image provided for here.
There may be some spontaneous jibes at the belief in me.
Almost all the other ‘teachings’ are crammed full of reference points for the maintenance of building new facets of the self-image. In those ‘teachings, there are many new experiences to look for or manufacture and many concepts to measure oneself up against. The progressive path is just that, endless progression, on a ‘path’ that has no substance in the ‘here and now’. It is exclusively all about a fictional future or merely the translation of experiences (immediate or distant ‘past’) – experiences for a ‘me’.
Such service to a fictional character is rife with fodder for a dream.
The ever-present clear evidence is bypassed over and over.
Why is this possible?
It appears to be because of the predominance of belief in being ‘a person’. A ‘person’ has no being. It is an endless sense of ‘becoming’ and ‘memory’, which appears in the immediacy and is not questioned usually. Investigation of its ‘ground’ reveals the fiction – but because of the investment of belief in ‘me’ it shies away from such immediate knowledge – because it means its demise. ‘Fear’ is often sensed when the foundations of belief start to crack.
It is this constant reference point, which we shall call for convenience, ‘me’, that is the apparent ’cause’ of our ‘problems’.
One can recognize quite easily that it is all conceptual appearances.
Yes, but to who do these appearances appear, one may ask?
That is a typical response from the habitual belief system, which we are naming as ‘me’.
Can this habit be put aside?
One needs to taste this clear space of knowing, this thoughtless space-like awareness.
In tasting this clear thoughtless space as being what I am, as being my true identity, so a very different understanding unfolds. This appearance of unfolding is only a way of expressing something that is inexpressible.
Those who understand what is being pointed out have already had a good taste of what is being pointed at.
Where is the seeing-knowing happening?
Concepts about this will not help much. It is a matter of eliminating all reference points.
What reveals itself remains inexpressible – and yet expressions happen.
Without the habitual grasping consciousness insisting on owning these ever fresh subtle impressions, the ever fresh realm of immediate knowing remain available – but not to a ‘person’.
Note on payment: ‘People’ usually don’t appreciate what they get for free. What you seek you already are. Assistance in recognizing our true nature is most often necessary. It can happen spontaneously – but such instances are very rare, if we take into account the reports that circulate around.
Payment of some sort is appropriate. Those who stumble over this small point, usually have many other issues that are being ignored. ‘Payment’ – appropriate payment is in keeping with the nature of things, in my opinion.
No one is suggesting that the truth can be purchased. Those who do are charlatans and there is no shortage of those. No conditions can be forced upon you regarding this question of payment. If you go to the movies you don’t expect to gain entry for free, do you? The Diner staff expect you to pay for the meal.
The introduction to your own true nature can ‘happen’ very quickly and I have witnessed it directly many times. As quick as 15 minutes.
All it is, is ‘pointing’ – directing the ‘other’ to see what is clear and obvious. Duality is appearance only. The Essence is One.
It is the most intimate ‘thing’ – because the concept of ’separation’ dissolves, quite visibly in ‘the other’. One essence remains. Life goes on – but the introduction is not forgotten – it resonates throughout the being and rises up again and again, unexpectedly, until the belief in ‘me’ is vanquished.
Paying a mere hand full of dollars for such an introduction is a pittance – and the fact is no one actually ‘pays for it’. You ARE that true essence already.
The compassion of ‘pointing’ is devoid of worldly things, like money.
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What appeared to happen here that this wordless expanse, this no-thing that is constantly pointed to was initially recognized and disregarded by the mind. But as the search continued, it always came back to this wordless no-thing, this space of what is.
As the coming back continued, it became more evident that this wordless no thing was indeed what was being pointed to. Apparent confidence came that this indescribable nothing that couldn’t be separated from everything was indeed what all the hub-bub is about.
It ’seems’ that this space, this knowing or perception widens and becomes more apparent. And as this happens, the knot of me becomes less and less solid. No dramatic falling away, more of a gentle loosening, with noticeable ‘milestones’ along the way.
I’m not saying ‘I get it’, I’m just describing what seems to be going on here. Please feel free to take pot shots at this description
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One idea would be to pay for John’s morning session on Saturday and then just hang around there like Fagin from Oliver Twist and stay for the afternoon session and wait till you’re confronted for another 20 bucks. This won’t work if you’re the conspicuous type and are prone to standing up, raising your arms, closing your eyes, and swaying back and forth while John is singing his enlightenment songs. This also won’t work if you’re a lady or gentleman and believe in fairness and equity like all of us do.
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By not letting his right-hand (preaching about realisation) know what his left-hand (looking for your wallet) is doing the guru can maintain and justify for himself his money-changing bussiness in the temple of God.
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Jim, you sound like a serious cheapskate. Lol. If you think giving these talks is a profit seeking venture by Wheeler, you are sadly mistaken. The one I went to had less than 15 people. His talks are held once a week. Subtract the room rental fees and the people who show up but can’t or won’t donate and you’ll find he’s not exactly making a killing.
I’m guessing he gets invited to give talks elsewhere and he accepts. Should he have to shell out a dime on these trips? I hope not.
If you’re too broke to donate, I’m sure you won’t be turned away, so long as there is space available. But if you’re not donating for philosophical money issues you might have, you probably don’t really want to attend the talk anyway.
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Jim, just go. You might even make a friend. If any feelings of awkwardness arise, just introduce yourself as “Richard.”
Also, it’ll give you a break from the UGC — and an opportunity to share at length afterwards. Hell, you might even catch John again in a couple weeks at your niece’s baptism in San Jose. Who knows?
The world is your oyster. Pack some celery sticks and a thermos of tea…
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Calvin,
That should work out as I’m introducing myself as “Jim”.
Kidding. For various reasons I’m not attending. Final decision.
Best wishes,
Rich
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When I told John that I was thinking of driving the 6 or 7 hours to see him he basically said “What for?”
I agree with Gilbert that paying a few dollars to have someone point out DIRECTLY TO YOU that there is no you apart from awareness is a priceless “service”. I absolutely agree with Mike (SF) that John, at least from my experience, doesn’t present himself as a guru or as anything special or different from oneself. To “me” he basically said – “You can’t be apart from this. The separate self is just a thought. You are wholeness right now.” He also said that I’m just as qualified as anyone else to talk about this. We talked about “false” teachers (ones who teach from and to the ego idea). We talked about one guru whose followers expected him to return from the dead so they sat and watched his body a few days while it decomposed. We talked about the falsity of all of these gurus and circles of followers. All of the brown nosing and bullshit games going on and all of the abuses that go on in the name of becoming.
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Morgan–you ARE as qualifed to speak about this as anybody. Wow, I’m getting more curious about this weekend the more I hear about it. On one hand, it’s retarded to go because there aren’t any doubts, but on the other hand it’s retarded not to since he’s right here and it’s John and I’ve never been to one of these things before. I just hope if I decide to go, it’s like Mike SF said and more a small quiet group of sharing and not a lovefest or adoration show fawning over John. If you did change your mind and decide to go for something to do this weekend, I’d really like that.
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Dave, what you express could not be invented by a biased ‘mind set’. The expression rings true and not as a mere set of words. Life resonance radiates with the words.
The natural confidence expands and the vulnerable ‘me’ is reduced to a useful word that is used without hindrance or psychological twisting and turning.
The frustrations of the ‘me’ don’t get in the way any more and one can read the words of some ancient text or some clear ‘present day’ expressions and the confirmation arises spontaneously. Since the drama of seeking dissipates by itself – it appears that the natural state ‘becomes’ more prevalent. However one knows that it has always been here – it was just being ignored. The concept of separate ‘times’ slides away. Even so, one can speak of the future and the past without concern and the temptation to believe in them has gone. Mysterious for the mind.
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Why not sent someone, Kimo?, … to John to make a live recording of this meeting so we can all enjoy it ? That way Rich’s son and his wife don’t have to stay in their small apartment ! And as a bonus John could describe the experience of being in the presence of Kimo! That would be priceless.
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Dave that seems to ring home from over here a noticing of this quite space happens at times during the day then the mind comes back in for 30 min 1hr half a day then a notticing happens again then an attatchment to feelings come up thoghts get lisstened to for a while then the space will appear again, kids screaming stress arises anger floods in shouting happens , then the space is notticed again wordless. thats whats going on at the the moment .love Jacob
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That wordless state.
Arising in and amidst the chaos.
Always with the birds in the background.
And then life and identification happen.
But more and more that wordless state appears.
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Jacob, there is no mind, just presently appearing thoughts that invariably pass. Thoughts aren’t a problem. Who is aware of them? The “space” is always there – it’s what the thoughts appear in. It’s what you are and it is the seeing.
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Life ’so full on’ with 3 young kids, 2 years 5 and 9. Our two year old girl has started the human journey her name is now hers, ‘mine’ is very much there especially with toys and things she wants her brothers have. incredible ability to scream very loudly very often. Big arguments and tantrums between them all. Massive amount of energy flying around the house. Flying around the body. Thoughts are triggered by the appearance, big surges of feelings burst this space full. STRESS screams out of every pour. The seeing seems at these times very personal, very me-ing, yet at other times its quite wordless, what ever the lingo is. Its all ‘full on’.
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‘You’ think that you are doing so many things and have so many choices.
It all appears and disappears.
Where is this arrogating ‘I’ that thinks it is in control?
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In the appearance of things and ‘doing’:
This website is not a self-serving ‘entity’. Almost all of the ‘Teachers’ arrange things as though they were the only one to ‘know the way’. It is their methods that work properly.
All aspects of frustration for the ‘devotee’ are put back on them – “You are not ready yetâ€. “Do the practices and be patientâ€. “I can see that you have progressed a great deal since you have been with meâ€. “I will teach you how to embody the teaching and live an awakened lifeâ€. The implication is that by sticking with the teacher and being in his ‘holy’ presence, you will achieve enlightenment, that sort after higher state of being.
It is all belongs to a dream, a dream made of divergent conceptual postulations about a ‘future time’.
The only ‘reason’ that such teachers teach such divergent conceptual postulations is because they don’t know anything else. They themselves are trapped in a conceptual realm of teaching nonsense. It works well for them and they all live a wealthy life style.
They have no conscience disturbance about what they are doing, because they believe that they are doing the right thing and their ‘ego’ loves it to such a degree that their vision is impaired and a large ‘blind spot’ acts like a buffer to repel any evidence that they may be on the wrong track. However, their conceited atmosphere and behavior is the most obvious evidence that they are deluding not only themselves but anyone who admires and follows their example. Imitation is the name of the game.
This website gives no service to such ‘teachings’.
It would be very easy to take particular examples and systematically reveal all the errors of those erroneous teachings – but it is divergent and has nothing to do with the direct message.
Decimating such teachers would have little effect because the majority only want what such teachers offer. To act upon such a line of decimation would be interpreted as negative and harmful. I say it is merely useless activity.
Those who are open enough to resonate with the direct message actually find their way to someone who is speaking clearly. It is a natural way of things.
No one can force the message onto anyone – because the resistance to it will most usually close the mind into its own flight mechanism.
We have some excellent material lined up for new programs, some of them will be quite different to what has already been presented. Much of what we have presented is in the line of Advaita. There are other fields of knowledge that are equally rich and we will explore them with you. Warm regards – Gilbert.
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The false guru types have their place too. Their teaching leads to so much disappointment for a “me” that the me has nowhere left to go and it may just give up or disolve or be seen through along with the “teaching”.
It all works out, they may be exactly what some apparent ” me” types need.
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… everything we imagine Life to be is false …
It’s all a lie; people, their lifes, careers, problems, stories, troubled faces, serioussness … the graveyard wich I pass as the sun so beautifully lits everything … full of people who died … ; the whole imagined lifespan …a lie. What a relief !
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Mark.. Does that mean we just move through life knowing it’s all a lie and believe nothing we see?
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Mark is a lie.
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In the moment there is just Life, not a knowing that it’s all a lie, just knowing, not disbelieving what we see, just seeing. Only THIS, the rest appears as a story only. That everything is a lie is just an afterthought. Saying it is a lie is in fact already too much; like ‘mark’ for instance.
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Gilbert, is there some correlation between what you are talking about (such as ALL IS ONE) and dreaming (REM sleep)? I constantly marvel at how in dreams I create the same exact character I am in waking; same foibles, worries, desires, etc. And yet I’ve created the ENTIRE dream and am only relating to this single separate small individual within the WHOLE of my creation. And then I wake up and am amazed at how duped I was yet again.
It’s leaving the possibility open that maybe what I think I am right now might not be the complete picture. I know this isn’t a very focused question but just wanted to put it out there. I noticed Randall’s blog is entitled You Are Dreaming.
Anyway, hopefully I won’t get bit too hard. There’s also some outrageously funny comments on here. Great site. Thank you.
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On the topic of erroneous teachings, and those ‘holy’ men, etc…. what has become apparent is that it is all necessary and absolutely appropriate, and actually everything is absolutely moving along accordingly in the ‘play of things’. There is a feeling here of the ‘weight’ (for want of a better word) dropping off…. everything feels and appears to work in harmony…. life seems to have an uncanny way of living itself, according to the needs and stimulus given – to which always the appropriate response is delivered.
It just feels like there is a call-and-response system in place, a never-ending trading, everything corresponds and balances out. So, if there is felt a need for a ‘guru’ to lead the way, then surely this need will be duly met.
When there is a sincere calling for a no-bullshit, no messing, non-conceptual answer to “what exactly is going on here?!!!” then all of a sudden advaita appears, not two, non-duality and even its story along with it!
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As Bob says – it will take you where you need to go.
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Man ‘thinks’ he must dominate nature. He sprays crops with poison to be rid of insects but more insects come in greater number. The ORDER is not as ‘man’ thinks it is.
‘We’ learn slowly as a species. There are some new scientists who are bringing a new view, so it would seem. The resistance from ‘the profiteers’ is great but you may have noticed that many of the ‘great moguls’ are beginning to fail and stumble. ‘We’ think we are so important and we tread on an insect with a sense of ‘power’. The insects are rapidly becoming immune to our poisons and we eat the traces of it ourselves in the food we buy.
‘Who’ is it that is so important and so intelligent?
A man should only take what he needs. Greed is a problem.
As Nisargadatta says: “You are so perplexing – you want what you don’t have – and you don’t want what you have – and so you are unhappy – why not turn it around – want what you have and don’t want what you don’t have – then you could be happy…”etc.
Self-centered activity always leads to conflict.
Relationship always leads to disturbances in mind.
There is no duality in Non Duality.
Be what you are, not what you think you are.
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“Relationship always leads to disturbances in mind”
Gilbert, is it possible to have a relationship & not have disturbances in mind. Is it because we have expectations when it comes to relationships. that we suffer. I don’t think you are saying “get rid of all relationships” and your mind will not be disturbed, are you?
I can see how that might do wonders for my mind though.
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Gilbert, does the mind just tire out on searching for quote-unquote ultimate answers? It’s obvious the mind’s great for higher mathematics and philosophy, etc.
But TRUE answers in the sense of Jesus’s silent response to Pilate’s question.
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“WHO cares?” Is this pretty much where’s this going? Again, why …
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mark + Kimo = ER.Wheeler.now-dc.org -0.00?
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Hi Claudio,
a quote below from Gilbert’s book at http://www.seeing-knowing.com/docs/ebook07.pdf
Why sacrifice this freedom for mere transitory states, thoughts and ‘beliefs’? They all disappear when they are really looked into.
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In some cases, the clarity of no thought only comes after the mind has exhausted all avenues. ‘When’ you come to the dead end and no thoughts are left, a natural relaxation may well ‘appear’. The point is that there is no answer in the mind. You don’t have to go to the end on the track. Just full stop right now. Non conceptual awareness is perfect.
It is undisturbed, even when thought is in full swing.
The ‘me’ has nothing to support it once thought ceases, because it is a thought itself.
Relationship is thought based. Relationship is duality.
You may believe that you have so many relationships in ‘your life’.
Have a good look into it.
Where are you seeing from?
Is there any evidence of ‘two’ in the seeing itself?
Claudio, You don’t create anything, dream or otherwise. The character Claudio is a dream character.
Have a close look at the assumption that ‘you’ are ‘doing’ anything at all.
The mind translates from language and memory.
In the immediacy there is no language and understanding is silent and wordless.
In the pure SEEING, there are only words appearing, images appearing.
Upon what do all these things register?
Have a look at that. The habitual mind may not like it, yet if you take no stand upon this matter, something will reveal itself.
You will not be able to describe it – but the experiencing is without doubt.
(Doubt is a thought)
Awareness is the same, whether thoughts appear or not.
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“Relationship” implies “me” and “another” who relate. In appearance it seems to be so. In reality there is only being. How can oneness relate to itself? It IS itself.
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Right here and now, what is the nature of seeing?
Things are there PLUS the assumption that “I am seeing”.
Therefore there is inherent duality in this assumption.
Look closely – the SEEING – IS – what you are.
Everything you TAKE yourself to be appears IN the seeing. Arms, sensations, breathing, heartbeat, thoughts, spoken words, emotions… these are all experiences. These all appear IN the seeing.
The immediacy and obviousness of seeing is what is meant by the word “I”. “I” is the seeing – and “seeing” means – experiencing.
Even the assumption “I am seeing” MUST come as an experience itself – it’s a thought. Thought is experience to YOU – the seeing.
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All experience appears as a translation of what is happening, or what is appearing to happen. This can be clearly ’seen’ without words. It is extremely subtle yet obvious to what ‘I am’ because what ‘I am’ is beyond all appearances.
The wordless ‘I am’ is ‘where’ the words ‘I am’ appear and disappear.
Simply seeing this is enough.
But the mind is always translating.
If I take myself to be the translation, which is the habit, the subtle revelation is missed. I am the ceaseless experiencing……and even those words fall short.
Simple……..too simple for the habitual mind.
‘We react’ and it is habitual attitude – a pattern repeating itself mechanically.
There is no way out of it IN the reaction. It is mechanical.
It must be ‘witnessed’ from beyond the mechanism. This is the way the mechanical pattern is dissolved or released from its repetition.
These moments of dissolving can appear as confirmation that I am not these ‘things’. Getting a good taste of it is all that is required.
Are you merely reactions to stimuli? What is your attitude?
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Yes. Why are we told that Christ lives in our hearts?
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Ask a priest.
I would interpret it in this way: Christ Consciousness is what is being spoken of.
Natural Being – Knowing – Seeing. One might say that in Christianity, Christ symbolizes ‘pure consciousness’ and in Hinduism, Krishna actually means ‘consciousness’.
The heart implies ‘feeling’.
If the heart is cold, unfeeling and the ‘knowledge’ is only in the head as believed in concepts, it is secular, excluding many aspects of the livingness. There is a sense of being ‘closed’ to the ‘direct and immediate life’.
‘The whole being’ in expression has a very different ‘feel’ from a life of mere intellectual postulating. The ‘Non Duality expert’ goes on and on about the differences between Neo Advaita and Traditional Advaita, ad infinitum. Books as thick as the Bible are written on all the ins and outs and the why’s and where for’s to support the ‘expert’s very special self-image’. The implication of a division of Non Duality into two camps is quite ridiculous and fanciful.
All the while Non Duality is the simplest fact, undivided by any intellect anywhere, or by any words, images or postulations.
THIS is clearly obvious in the very ‘place’ that seeing is happening.
This clarity of seeing-knowing is right there where these words are registering, prior to whatever the mind ‘does’ with them.
The quickness of the mind is not some quality that it owns, as a separate faculty.
All qualities of all things are nothing but the signature of the One Essence.
You are THAT.
The prison of the limited mind is made from ideas, concepts about limitations. Believing in those limitations is what keeps the mind turning on a ‘dead spot’.
‘When’ you are truly tired of the same old ’roundabout’ some ‘incentive’ will make itself known unexpectedly.
Don’t get bogged down on the words.
What is being shared is not in the words – what is being shared has actually never been separated into any parts. Recognizing one’s true nature is a miracle, and yet it is not an ‘event’ in time.
The knowing IS. Always IS. Never was it NOT.
It is only the mind of habit that enters with a bunch of ‘old ideas’ and interrupts the flow of the natural state.
Be conscious of the consciousness. See what is what. For yourself.
No one else’s insight can be of much use.
It is Seeing-Knowing. It is IN-Seeing.
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The meetings this weekend in Washington DC were enjoyable with John, especially session #1 of 3 where he discussed the basics and kept things red-hot on the pointer scale. The guitar playing was great throughout and the singing good as well. Toward the end of session #1 which consisted of pointing over and over to our being, somebody asked a yeah-but question about the ego and I felt a time delay before I even knew what they were talking about; that’s how strong the pointing was during the Saturday morning session. My first exposure to this spiritual group thing—I enjoyed the camaraderie and the atmosphere. The only thing I’ll say is the dismay I felt every time a question arose in the crowd clearly giving credence to the reference point and an experience of how “being done†is supposed to feel and how non-resistance and kindness/lack of anger are still believed to be signposts of becoming more fully what they are. So, the ground of being that all appears on is realized and then just flung aside for a miserable reference point of when “I†can be more like Byron Katie and more accepting, when “I†can be less angry, yatta, yatta, yatta…Of course John answered these questions quite gently. I would have been more forceful, but that doesn’t work for “everybodyâ€. Paradoxically, it’s one thing I like about John because in “my journey”, I would have told someone forceful like me to get bent because I wouldn’t have been ready for that type of relentless pointing that I enjoy immensely at this time. John is effective and highly recommended, but hopefully folks will listen more to his message and forget about experiences and how it’s supposed to be “for a me†and just recognize their unchanging nature.
Since this blog is about Randall’s stuff, I’ll say great job on the newest MP3 “Nature of I†. So, everyone, be sure to catch that one on Randall’s site. Also, don’t forget to download Gilbert’s 9-page PDF on the seeing-knowing page.
Have a great rest of your weekend and goodnight.
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As is obvious, hundreds and thousands attend meetings that are happening ‘here and there’ in umpteen ’spiritual meetings’ around the globe. The details vary like the stars in the sky are all unique. The glorification of the ‘meetings’ is common and that is a first sign of a self-indulgent ego based teacher. Magnified fees are usually imposed. What has any of it to do with delivering a simple message?
The definitive ‘moment’ is in the recognition of our true nature. This moment is the ‘going beyond the mind’ – recognizing where the seeing is happening.
As soon as we particularize the ‘teacher’ and the ‘circumstances’ and ‘glorify’ the ‘messenger’, even in the mildest manner it is fodder for the belief in separation.
To witness ‘how’ the message is delivered by a master can be a beautiful display in ‘phenomena’. The ‘moment’ which happens, seemingly ‘between’ the messenger and the one receiving the message is far too intimate and is actually beyond ‘phenomena’.
In some cases the mind is cornered and the clear and obvious nature of ‘what I am’ cannot be escaped from.
This ‘event’ is like ‘a seed’ being planted. ‘You’ may sense that something ‘happened’ but you are not quite sure what it was. The ’seed’ germinates and ‘grows’ – the realm of the false is pushed out of the way as ‘the blade’ rises in being. The ‘harvest’ comes not as ’something’ but as ‘no thing’ – the absence of ‘me’. The ‘me’ is eliminated naturally.
Some, then share what is known most intimately, according to their natural skills.
Others merely live an ordinary life, without the old burden of the ‘me’.
The irony of it all is that there never was ’someone’ who was bound.
But KNOWING that ‘appears’ to be rare.
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Thanks for the meeting report Kimo.
E.T. (Eckhart Tolle) speaches used to run $150 or so to be in the “golden circle”, near him. The next section back was less and the outer one less than that. I guess the closer you were to him, the more you would be bathed in his amazing, transcendent, enlightened human being energy. What a joke to put an appearance up on a pedistal while the being that the seeker image thinks it’s missing is all there is.
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The inner circle (esoteric), the mezzanine circle and the exoteric circle is the age old template for spiritual groups. Many ancient temples had an inner chamber. Getting access to this chamber meant passing certain tests. Once inside this large inner chamber one found that there was another inner chamber to gain access to and further tests. This ‘process’ went on and on. The last chamber, the inner most chamber can only accommodate one being. That being is what you are right NOW – before you enter the most outer chamber, you are already this being.
In other words, the material world and the ‘matter’ of Domes, walls and doorways is just a way of removing the outer conditions, to reveal your own naked presence with what is.
‘People’ will pay and pay for whatever they deem to be ‘missing’ in themselves. Rubbing shoulders with ‘holy personalities’ is a mere waste of time.
The genuine messenger is quite ordinary and does not play the game of being special or above you. He is accessible to anyone who is genuine. There is no line of devotees waiting to see him. Why? Because so few actually wish to face what is true in themselves.
This ’situation’ has been the same down through the ages. it is no different now.
‘People’ make their excuses – “I am not ready yet”….etc.
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Or you can try scientology and, after you’ve invested thousands of dollars and become “clear”, you’re told a bunch of hocus pocus sci fi BS.
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It is refreshing, the simplicity of pure advaita (I just say “pure” to distinguish it from forms where methods and techniques are given to the apparent seeker). It’s too simple and easy for thought to imagine. There’s nothing you need to do to BE.
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The ‘cloak of secrecy’ is just a mechanical means to suck you in. If you ask a Scientologist about the ’secrets’ he will just say, ‘do the course’ – that is how they are programed. We have it all happening in the ‘Non Duality scene also. Expensive seminars and Conferences and ‘experts’ in so many fields, all wanting a hefty fee for their ’secrets’.
The direct message has no conditions place before it…..except that you must be genuinely willing to drop your beliefs, all of them. It is all rather amusing how the usual spirituality works. It is all about adding new beliefs, adding some conceptual nonsense onto ‘how special I am’…..”I am special and so lucky to be doing this work”.
It is amazing how resistant so many are to letting go of all that crap.
Not only that, so many take this direct message for granted and slip it into the same old box of tricks – and miss the message altogether.
What effort are you making ‘to be’?
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Abusive comments will be deleted. Sorry to deny you, the abuser, the pleasure of reading your own clever ridicule on this site. It just demonstrates a ‘taking personal’ where it is certainly not necessary. Most of us can recognize small minded comments without needing a constant lesson in so many ways to express abuse.
It just shows how attached certain individuals are to their own perception of being clear on this ’stuff’. I say this to these individuals: If you find this site to be erroneous in some way, then go somewhere else. See how you get along with some of the other alternative sites. Deranged minds will always find fault and get abusive – and what has that got to do with being clear? if you think you are so clear on this subject, then let’s see some expressions of it.
Some of my comments may stir things up but it is calculated stirring. If you fall for the trap, surely it is an opportunity to see how it is that you get caught up in the words. It is all words. The clarity of seeing-knowing is never compromised. However, if you are just believing in being a conceptual being, it is sheer torture to continue in such turmoil.
The ‘Gates of Heaven’ and the ‘Gates of Hell’ are an illusion in the mind.
St. Peter and Lucifer are just different ‘personas’ and different garments wore by the same BEING.
It is your self and nothing other than that. No matter how it appears, it is merely appearance. There is NO way out of the dream IN the dream.
If you need to be stirred up to a fever pitch, then I am your man.
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So when you try to get people riled up it’s “just words,” or “calculated stirring.” But when others do it’s considered “abusive” and “deranged.” Riiiiiight.
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Well, Richard, or is that Roger, (your email address is named gross-deformity – well I ask anyone sane, would you choose such a name for your email address? It isn’t even a legitimate email address) whatever name you’re are using at the moment, telling me to ‘tie my dick in a knot’ is in a class of its own. What on earth is that all about? I don’t believe that I make stupid statements like that. The point, as I see it, is that you never expose what it is that has made you so cross. Is it my personality? Is it some particular statement or is it that the belief system you hold dear is being challenged on too many fronts. So, you are clear on this subject. Please share some clear pointing with us and stop all this nonsense – otherwise please take your comments somewhere else. It was you, wasn’t it, who actually said that you did not want to have to scan through all the crappy comments to find something decent, then almost all your comments fit the description of crap. Ironic or what?
The opportunity is here, to express anything appropriate concerning the subject. As a producer of this site, I need to maintain some sort of level of decency. If you can’t do it, then I must step in. Most manage to hold their game together. Tell us what is your main concern. Share it. Maybe others can benefit from your ‘insights’. Do you have any?
Or are you one of these ‘experts’, so bound up in a fixed and frigid belief system?
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Since these ‘nutters’ can’t stop from throwing their stupidity into the arena for all to see, I am considering the idea of deleting the comment pages altogether. Anyone who wants to make a comment or ask a question can write to the UGC email address.
The comment pages can be blocked from the ‘public’ and be used to make announcements etc. I am inclined to like the idea. I am a bit tired of these ‘experts’ – there is always one or two dropping their smelling comments. It may even be just one ‘person’ using different names. It sure feels like the same old deranged mind to me. Chip on the shoulder stuff.
I have plenty to do and I may appreciate the extra time available, if I don’t have to keep an eye on these pages. So, everyone, if these comment pages disappear, you can thank our dear Rogers, Lev’s and Richard Craniums for it. Wasters Incorporated.
They always MISS the point – that is for sure.
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I agree that the vulgar and abusive posts are a waste of time. But I would be dissappointed if the comment pages went away. Maybe there is a free automated system where visitors must first register with an email address. Maybe this would deter the deranged and/or insincere from joining in? Sure they could set up a false email account, then register, and then post some garbage but it would make them jump through a few hoops first and might even reveal their own folly in the process.
Just an idea.
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Hi Gilbert,
You have made an error in thinking I have sent you any emails or posts containing anything offensive.
I’ve sent no such emails.
I did post that I would rather see more positive stuff and would prefer not going thru all the childish egoistic posts.
If someone is using my name or if there is someone else with the same name, or if you are imagining the person sending you junk is I…..I don’t know. But it is not I.
If you want to apologize for false accusations and defaming my name, feel free to do so. If you are not moved to do so, that’s okay. I still like you.
We have emailed in the past (you have been helpful) and at one time I ran an idea by you about a book written by those who have visited Bob and were influenced by him. Remember?
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Richard is a common name. ‘People’ use false names to make comments and use false email addresses – I know because whenever I try to address these characters, the email bounces back. I have deleted many of these abusive comments. Anyway, don’t take it personally, since it wasn’t you anyway. So, everyone, this particular Richard is okay.
Anyway, in the appearance of things the story goes on:
It is highly likely that these characters are actually someone that I have pissed off along the way. There have been many. Some have taken it all extremely personal. Some have even rallied to have my mouth gagged and my website deleted. It all rotates around comments made about ‘teachers’ who keep seekers bound to a future time – a very, very profitable business. They don’t like to be challenged on their teaching. Their devotees also get quite disturbed when certain things are expressed, because it reveals their own erroneous belief system. That can be very painful, especially after a decade or two of personal investment. Their sense of achievement is undermined and they find themselves back at the start of the search. They don’t realize that the start of the search is where the demolishing of ‘the seeking’ happens. Getting anyone to that ‘point’ is a shit fight if there is too much resistance. Very few are actually open to the letting go of old ideas.
The programs presented on this site are not serving any ‘guru’ or ‘teacher’. All the presenters are low key figures who don’t make a big deal out of their ‘image’.
Hundreds of ’seekers’ are finding value in what is offered here, because it has not been presented to them in such a clean fashion by their own gurus.
Even gurus like Mooji, who is fairly clean in comparison to most, still play games of specialness. The addiction to ‘teaching’ is a waste of time. The seekers get all ‘precious’ and caught up in worshiping the ‘messenger’. The same old trap. True compassion is in demolishing the act of worship – but the ego loves it.
Now, there will be some who get offended at such words. Okay. I say, take a good look at ‘who’ it is that is offended. There is the goldmine. See through that and the rest is easy street. Then, you can get rid of all gurus and BE what you ARE.
Which, by the way, you already ARE. Irrespective of words, images, concepts and ideas.
Read Plato’s “Cave Dwellers”. When the one who ventured out of the cave returned with ‘good news’ they beat him to within an inch of his life.
Hang onto your beliefs if you must – but I can assure you that they are the source of your troubles. You can abuse me and even beat me with sticks – but you cannot deny the life essence in yourself, which gives you the ability to simply be and knowingly be what you truly are.
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Hi Gilbert,
Having people throwing pot shots at you and trying to close your web site….”Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown”.
Hope we are all square. I only wish you well and appreciate the great shows which are coming to us on UGC.
Best regards,
(The real) Richard
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No unease here and no crown either. I don’t give a rats ring about it really. However, once you start something, you have to follow through or it turns to shit very quickly, in the appearance. There is an old saying that ‘the customer is always right’.
With this, there are no customers. Those who ‘get it’ move on. So, we are usually dealing with new waves of those who are trying to understand, not realizing that it is all useless mind activity. ‘Who’ is trying to understand what? ‘Who’ is showing off what they know? …..and ‘who’ has a problem with personalities?
Understanding is immaculately operating prior to the efforts of the intellect – in fact the intellect could not function without the understanding operating. It is the ‘entity’ that has all the problems. AND it will NEVER get the understanding – it can’t.
All of this drama is between fictional characters. This one ‘here’ is transparent and can be used in any way that is seemingly necessary without incident or any lasting discomfort.
Having to deal with ‘plebs’ can get tiresome just the same. There are some really sick ‘people’ around who believe that they are enlightened – but when you look at their lives, they are social misfits living in a dream world of their own. They imagine that they have some power to awaken others and that they have done so. It is more like a viral infection or imitation. Let’s not forget the programs are where the material is presented – clear and precise. In fact the first five minutes of any of our programs usually demolishes much of the ‘argument’ that these ‘plebs’ go on about. This present program surely does so. Yet that is put aside by these favorites of ours, because it demolishes all their ‘personal opinions’, without mercy.
A new program is being produced at the moment. All for everyone’s benefit, even for these argumentative types who swagger about in their deluded atmosphere of being so special. They are usually incapacitated and only have one hand free, because they are busy playing with themselves with the other hand.
And in case you missed one of the important promises we make – Entertainment. The visits to these comment pages always sky rockets when the debate gets ‘hot’.
Some good stuff gets aired, even when the crap starts to ouze out the corners. There is something here for everyone but if there is a sacred self-image lurking about, it will start to curl up at the edges, that is for sure. The blade is sharp and the aim is spot on. Hey, it is all in hyper-space or did you not notice that yet?
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Even gurus like Mooji, who is fairly clean in comparison to most, still play games of specialness. The addiction to ‘teaching’ is a waste of time. The seekers get all ‘precious’ and caught up in worshiping the ‘messenger’. The same old trap. True compassion is in demolishing the act of worship – but the ego loves it.
Totally agree with that; in fact, thanks for mentioning it. With due respect to Mooji, that’s how I felt after having met him a few times. Although his pointing can be very clear no doubt; yet there is an element of specialness during those Satsangs that keeps the seeker mode going. You find yourself getting attached to the teacher and the teacher plays along; yet all the time seemingly, trying to point to your innate freedom. There’s a paradox right there. And thankfully, something within intuitively tells you that this is not it. And you find yourself at the UGC. At least that’s how it was in my case. Nisargadatta’s words are potent, “Consciousness will take you wherever you need to go…”
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It is all in the appearance and no one is doing anything. Even so, it seems that once one sees through the guru game and through the idea of ‘me’, things flow very differently.
There is no need to mount a horse and go into battle with these gurus. It is all the wondrous display of consciousness, in all its diversity.
Well enough of this prattle. We don’t want a wave of abusive comments to have to wade through.
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Everything appears in the immediacy… even time and memory and anticipation which all seem to have continuity. In fact, everything that is appearing seems to have continuity…thoughts, pizzas, bees…
Just consider the immediacy though…you don’t have to be able to experience the immediacy…just consider it.
How long in duration is the immediacy? It’s over before it is thought about! It is less than one millionth of a nano second…even less than that…
If that’s the case it is really no duration at all… and it is not even there for a moment…because it is not even there for a moment…it is ever present.
That means because everything appears in the immediacy…the appearance is not there either…including you, the imagined entity with imagined thoughts!
There is only seeing…and the seeing is happening from no where.
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Gilbert, not to make you a sound like a ‘guru’ but your pointing in the podcast “exploring what you are” resonates very deeply. Towards the end of the programme, Areti mentions that it is extracted from 2 of your cd’s. Which cd’s are those and from where would I be able to order them? Many Thanks…
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The CD’s have all sold. I am not inclined to get another batch made. If you ‘twist my arm’, I may make some copies for you. They are several years old now. Maybe someone has one or both and they don’t want them anymore. Besides, if it resonates strongly, just listen again. It sinks in. It is the resonance that counts. It doesn’t matter what brings it.
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I really would have liked to listen to them but I definitely don’t want to twist your arm. You have a lot on your plate as it is. So I am just going to take your advise and keep listening to the podcasts…it will sink in, when it does…
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Look, I don’t want you to take down the comments pages for everyone just because of “me.” So I won’t post here anymore.
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I like the comments page. It’s fun to be part of a virtual community. I think shit-slinging is inevitable online. Seen alot of it and taken part more than once. Most “people” are more brazen and outright hostile online. This site slaughters alot of sacred cows so I guess it’s to be expected. I think you’re right in deleting posts that are unhelpful and straight up abusive. Whatever form this website continues in I say best of luck. The programs are really the heart of it but the comments page is fun and fits the “entertaining” and “controversial” part of the site rider.
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Gilbert notes, “It is the resonance that counts. It doesn’t matter what brings it.”
To me, my friends, This is precisely the point … if there is Heart to Heart … that Energy (some call Shakti) can eradicate all the ghostlike argumentative posturing … the experience here is that the Heart already KNOWS and so the seeming erasing of the false just reveals that which is always on and unchanging. Call That Love, call that The Absolute, call That The Eternal, it matters not a whit what it is called. Words can’t get within a billion miles of That. As always well done Gilbert. Love ya. C
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