Comments on: 41. Interview with Bob Adamson #2 – part 2

By: gilbert

gilbert — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:02:55 +0000

Everything things is valid in the appearance. There is no difference between a tramp living on the streets and the Buddha. The impressions that register on the beingness happens in exactly the same way with everyone. They register on emptiness – not a vacuum or a void – it is this space of knowing – cognition. What the so-called ‘mind’ may translate the impression into will differ in every case. It is all the magnificent diversity of ONE self-realizing Cosmic Consciousness. Life lives on life. Animals eat the grass. Does anyone demonstrate about how cruel that is? Grass is life also.
We think we are so important. But look at what we do as a species.
It is all in the appearance of things.
You need not be concerned about ‘others’. Understanding is not in the minds translation – it is prior to all translations of mind. Wordless, silent being.
Knowing this, what more can you need?

By: Jacob ,Isle of wight. u.k

Jacob ,Isle of wight. u.k — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:07:47 +0000

hey amego 5 years ago the spiritual thing got hold this me , shidda yoga was it as it eas for bob with muctananda. I got up daily at 4 am went to the bathroom washed my feet went up stairs chanted for an hour then medatated for an hr on the mantra, this went on for year and a half then i saw a book mary my wife was reading by joan tollifson and all the getting up at 4 fell away, bowing to my puja of photos the lighted candles and incense all fell away quite naturally. ive read recentlt that nisagadatta new nityananda the guy who muctananda was deciple to who set up siddha yoga which these days is an organization wich is foolowed world wide. they were good freinds. siddha yoga lays down this path of becoming, mantra repatition, medation chanting, honoring the guru, pitcures etc . obviously mucktananda new this natural state as does gurumyi the lady guru who now leads the foundation, why do they make it so complicated a something to practice to get when they no themselves there is no one to get there is just this presence we all are. they dont seem to comunicate that at all. just a wondering i have, all very bazarr.
were does vegatarianism come in to this . the killing of animals to eat , kindness to nature all that side of it that goes along with “a spiritual life”
love jacob x

By: gilbert

gilbert — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:57:23 +0000

Someone wrote in the contact pages: “Great sound system, cool music, and super talk! I am new to the direct path, Advaita message, but you guys down under seem to have it going!
“I think” (that’s the problem isn’t it?) I will hang around for another cup.”

Well, is it truly a problem? And for whom?
As that separate ‘entity’ can you actually think, even one thought?
Try it.
No, don’t just pass over it and forget about it.
Try it.
NOW.

So, it can’t be done by an ‘entity’.
Thoughts appear on consciousness.
‘You’ cannot get behind those thoughts – and the conceptualizing about it is just more thought.

In simply recognizing that the ‘thinker’ is just another thought – a revelation happens.
‘You’ do not choose any thought that appears. The idea that you do so, is just another thought.
‘You’ may claim them as your own or ‘you’ try to hold onto them or push them away – but it doesn’t work.
There is no ‘you’ that is doing even that.
‘You’ may sit for hours every day and ‘do’ your habitual ritual – meditation.
But there is no ‘you’ that chooses to do that. The thought appears and the action follows or not. It is just happening.
A mechanical habit is not conscious awareness, no matter how fancy we dress it up.
Being a slave to old habits is just the same old prison of belief in being an ‘entity’ with the ability to ‘do’ and ‘be’.
There is only being – no becoming (no changing into something better or worse).
Some are appearing to be desperately trying to purify their bodies and minds. Their whole life is seemingly dedicated to it – yet it is a fiction.
The health of the body is one thing – imaginary impurities and attachment to thoughts is another.
Trying to push away ‘things’ that have no actual substance is a tiresome activity and an impossibility.
The imagined ‘progress I have made’ is just more bondage. Mere concepts. Many will not let go of this imagined progress and merit point ‘system of belief’.
Yoga teachers and dedicated yoga and meditation pupils will not want to accept these expressions so easily.
The ‘investment’ of a life time is little more than vanity and attachment to the body image and an idea of a ‘self’ in processes of becoming.
The mechanical response of rejection of these ‘points’ is not of anyone’s choosing.
Get a glimpse of ‘the machine’ and realize that you are not that mechanical process.
I may have opened a can of worms here. We shall see. Some ‘people’ get very upset if their favorite beliefs are threatened, even by a few words.

By: Jacob ,Isle of wight. u.k

Jacob ,Isle of wight. u.k — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:20:10 +0000

Cheers man x

By: gilbert

gilbert — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:19:15 +0000

When the wind blows the leaf covered tiled courtyard and ‘the ground’ is revealed, the natural beauty of the tiles is recognized instantly.
It is the same with our natural state. It seems that the natural state is covered by thoughts and moods, ideas and concepts. The underlying ground of being, is LIFE.
Life is uninterrupted. It is Cosmic. Everything is contained by this life. Everything is this life.
Life does not come and go. The forms that appear in this life are constantly changing. New leaves grow to replace old leaves.
The leaves fall naturally from this ‘tree of life’. All the branches, twigs and leaves are of the One Tree of Life.
The wind blows naturally. The seeming ‘covering over’ of our true nature happens naturally.
The uncovering of our true nature happens naturally.
There is no entity ‘doing’ anything.
See and recognize that the ‘doer’ is a thought. The ‘thinker’ is just another thought.
These words are just words. The best they can do is point.

The FACT is that this moment right NOW is fresh and new. It has NEVER happened before. It will NEVER happen again. It is NOT conditioned by the PAST.
Start from the fact that you are THAT pure seeing-knowing.
Everything else is a concept.

There is no Duality in Non Duality. You are THAT, whether you know it or not.
The ‘knowing’ is and basis of everything. Equanimity. Cosmic Consciousness.

By: Jacob ,Isle of wight. u.k

Jacob ,Isle of wight. u.k — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:41:59 +0000

Gilbert is it enough to to stay in that wordless space at times during the day is that all that is needed for this to reveal itself. when theres been a searching for an escape from this me for 31 years, and falls into such an obvious answer to it all with what is being expressed here,a grattitude naturally arrises . No pedastooling the G man is going on here just a natural love and , ya beauty man . Jackpot!
is it that doubts enter this space along with everthing then go leaving this space x

By: gilbert

gilbert — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:28:34 +0000

A new Nisargadatta Program is being prepared.
It will appear in due course.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:52:56 +0000

These things are spontaneously expressed. There is no one here making these things up on the spot. There is creative writing happening but it isn’t a sales job. There is nothing to sell here. What you are seeking, you already are.
Spirituality seems to always have a product to sell, some catch, some fantasy to aim for.
What we are pointing out is kind of the reverse. Strip away the beliefs and what is left is what you are. The resistance is called ‘me’.
Most ‘people’ get along quite alright without this ‘non duality’ stuff.
Those of us who suffer or have suffered from an ‘itch’ to know ‘something’ or a wish to escape from the ‘darkness’, from the sense of being vulnerable – ‘we’ find some relief.
But a new point of view is not enough.
For ‘us’ the mind needs to be understood.
It is not psychology. It is simply being what I am. Without any support from the internal dialog that seems to keep us from this sense of being naturally with what is.
Listen to this program again. It is a remarkable interview. A gem.

By: Jacob ,Isle of wight. u.k

Jacob ,Isle of wight. u.k — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:53:58 +0000

thanks Gilbert – love Jacob

By: gilbert

gilbert — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:48:31 +0000

In answer to Corey.
The body is made of light and it is also like a prism. The attention is ‘of the body’ – awareness being focused. It has the nature of fluidity – but as it crystalizes, a fixation of the attention happens. It may feel like glue. Basically the light of seeing can be focused, moved around like a beam. Who is doing it?
If the self-center had any localized point or substance, wouldn’t that be very obvious? Could it move so fluidly? Everything happens spontaneously – no ‘doer’.
A loud sound happens behind you – you turn to see what it ‘was’. Is the attention being focused intentionally or is it just happening?
Whole vision is all inclusive seeing.
Myopic vision is exclusive vision. We exclude everything else and focus on the particular.
Each particle of the universe is of the same Pattern and in studying one part, we study the whole. Yet if we stay stuck in the myopic view, we miss out on everything else.
The habit of taking oneself to be the ‘seer’ and the habitual story of me attached, is the ‘busy team’ working in spasms of business to re-build the wall of separation.
Expand the vision, let it include more and more. Let the attention be free to flow wherever it needs to. ‘We’ focus on thoughts and tunnel vision happens. Introversion happens. The mass media is much the same. Billions of events are ‘happening’ every day.
The media focuses on particular ‘nasty’ things and a world view is ‘created’, a dark and gloomy world view. ‘We’ believe in it without questioning it. Yet in our own clear and present ‘space of knowing’, none of these gloomy things are present. Whatever appears in our life is usually dealt with in the moment, so long as we don’t start up a story.
Observe how much ‘time’ is spent on ‘things’ that are actually not in this ‘here and now’.
Mind projections may be useful in brief instances – usually it is all fanciful notions and imagination. We ignore our true nature by focusing on things that don’t exist.
We scare ourselves to death with nonsense and superstitions.
These words are just words. Don’t start up a new story over them.
There is no answer in the mind.
ONE emptiness appearing as all things – equanimity is silent understanding.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:48:18 +0000

Oscillating between hope and despair will only bring exhaustion.
What is it that never changes?
The sun never leaves the sky.
Space is empty.
Presence – what is.

The clouds break and the sun pours through the cloud bank and a rod of light streams to the ground or sea like a sword of truth. Even this magnificent scene is appearing in your own light of seeing-knowing. THAT is always present. You are the seeing-knowing.
As soon as the translating mind takes sides, the pure functioning is seemingly taking sides – but it is not and it cannot takes sides. Realize that and be free.
You are the only one that can do it – and you are the infinite intent. It is your drama play of the elements. Love it or hate it – but realize that you are not on the see saw – and so, see it for what it is.

P.S. (from email to someone else who feels they are in similar situation)
Doubt is a thought. YOU are not a thought.
If I say that the thinking will change, it will produce an expectation and an impatience maybe…..”why not NOW” etc.
What I recognize in your email is that there is some real seeing happening. The mind translates what is seen by referring to the image of ‘myself’-that is habit. Habits can be broken – they can slip away unexpectedly also.
You are telling yourself a story that these thoughts will never stop – and that is just more story, more thoughts.

What I am telling you is that you are NONE of these things.
Do not resist them. Do not accept them either.
Do nothing about them.
See them and see the reaction to them – but DO NOT judge yourself – the judgment is an error of judgment – because you are not these things.

By: Corey

Corey — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:00:13 +0000

Gilbert, can you talk about attention? In the sense that ‘attention’ seems to be something that can be pushed around inside of awareness. Like, let’s focus on hearing now, or focus on tactile sensation now, or heart beating, etc. Let’s pause a thought, or let’s try and chase down thought concerning fixing this engine. All arbitrary small examples, but I think you get the point.

Not saying there’s an ego doing that, but something focuses on the constant registering bombardment of sensory data — what is that if not a some kind of will? It’s almost like I’m identifying with the so-called attention, and just glossing over the underlying awareness as a given. You’d probably call this ultimate arrogance?

But still, the seeming capacity to focus attention is beguiling — a big word for me, I know, but it seems to fit. Thanks.

By: Jacob ,Isle of wight. u.k

Jacob ,Isle of wight. u.k — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:21:36 +0000

Glimpses are appearing in between eruptions of intense stress and breakdowns then the glimpses show up again. Then it goes dark for a day or so and its seen again. Nowhere to hide – just get blasted by it , then it is seen again. – love Jacob

By: gilbert

gilbert — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:26:48 +0000

There is a tendency to take up a position ‘against’ the ‘me’ as if it were the enemy. This is due to a misunderstanding – another mind translation.
There is only one seeing happening and it is not the ‘me’ that is seeing.
This light of seeing-knowing appears as the body and the world. There is no separation.
The light shines through the prism (body) and the world appears, all the colors, shapes and forms. There is no separation.
Everything is THAT. THAT is every thing.
I am THAT.

Now, look closely into this presence-awareness and recognize the emptiness of the body – that there is no ‘entity’ therein.
This is the immediate re-cognition of ones own true nature – the formless is the form – the form is the formless.
This clarity of intention does not belong to an ‘entity’ – it is intelligence-energy. This activity of knowing is the basis of everything.
There is nothing outside of this knowing – and there is nothing inside of it.

This ‘no thing’ has never been separated into ‘parts’.
The world appears ‘as if’ in a crystal ball – in this singular presence that you are.

All mysteries vanish in this immediate knowing.

If you follow what is being pointed out, it is impossible for anyone to miss it.
However, for some, it may ‘seem’ like a brief glimpse of ‘reality’.
Return to it as often as possible.
It will expand naturally – and the ‘little me’ and all its limited views and ideas will take their place amongst inconsequential ‘things’.
One may even have some fondness for it.

By: dan

dan — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:13:16 +0000

It feels like the continuous ramblings in the mind are like closed loops that go round and round and round. Sometimes the tape is changed and another loop goes round…. the loops are continuously playing but the very fact that those loops can be heard or ‘seen’ really does point to something. Feels like the body is a tape-loop too….. perhaps a little bit more longer, but still the tape gets worn and wears out in the end.

Bob talks about these vibrations. Why should we look at the mind-loops as any different to any other object that appears? There is no real changing of the nature of the mind…. we can just let it loop round.

Found another wonderful bit of nisar yesterday…. always different on every new read….

“The illusion of the being the body-mind is there, only because it is not investigated. Non-investigation is the thread on which all the states of mind are strung. It is like darkness in a closed room. It is there – apparently. But when the room is opened, where does it go? it goes nowhere, because it was not there.”

By: gilbert

gilbert — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:53:10 +0000

Yes, when the habit of self-doubt or self-hatred lifts away, the subtle joy of life is seemingly uncovered. It is common, it seems that those who resonate the strongest are those who have already recognized their own true nature. No arguments from those ones.
Yet, everyone is THAT and the recognition is inevitable – or outside of the realm of ‘events’.
Many things that are said are seemingly addressed to ‘both sides of the fence’.
One part of a sentence will strike one reader, while another part of a sentence will strike a different reader. Such is duality. The message is addressed to the essence that you are.
The recognition arises because we already KNOW. It has only seemingly been covered over or forgotten. In the middle of the night, one may remember what the day is like and as the dawn arrives those memories fade away like a dream does on waking up.
Why do I write and speak about this stuff? I have no idea. Maybe it is compassion, because I remember what it ‘was like’ to believe in things that don’t exist. And I remember how ‘stubborn’ the mind can be. Those memories also fade away. Yet the talking and writing go on. Warm regards – Gilbert.

By: will

will — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:39:15 +0000

They do not fall on stony ground Gilbert.
It is seen here that the seeing is the thing itself. Of course this seeing cannot be seen – what would be seeing what…?
Nevertheless, a bit of self talk about this goes on, some expression of amused astonishment at how this was ever not seen. Then, just, shut up. No need, or point, nothing…
The seeing, the being-ness, the this, never been any different. This Will character just carries on. All the old head crap on all the same old orbits apparently, but no one really paying attention. Doesn’t seem much bother about anything any more.
But there’s a kind of LIKING of it which is and isn’t me.
This sounds mad and druggy i know, but none of that goes on here, no boozing even.
Life is very simple.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 07:48:40 +0000

No there are no words in tasting, no concepts and tasting is not an idea.
When you taste the strawberry jam on your toast in the morning, there may be some internal dialog but in the instant of the first moment of tasting, there are no words. There may be some expectation going on in the conceptualizing. In the actuality of the naked tasting, it is pure functioning.
Get a taste of this non-conceptual awareness.
Like the naked canvas of a famous painting, we don’t notice the naked canvas at all.
It is usually completely covered with oil paint. But if that canvas wasn’t there, there wouldn’t be any painting to see.
The ground of your being is similar but you cannot find it as an object, so don’t go looking for it. It cannot be an object or a concept.
It is what everything registers on.
Look into the eyes of a loved one. There is a light shining there. You can write a thousand words in an attempt to describe it and those words remain as words. You cannot see this light in your own eyes but it is the light by which you see and know everything. Although, there is no ‘you’ in it. It is just a way of speaking about it.
The pure life energy is beating your heart. What can ‘you’ know about it?
There is no separation – so that pure life energy is what you are – what everyone is.
As conceptual beings, ‘we’ take sides and fight and argue about what?
The One Essence expresses and appears as everything – there are no exceptions.
These words may fail in communicating what I am trying to say but what you truly are KNOWS. The mind full of belief cannot be open to understanding. This is why those beliefs must be cleared away – so that the light of seeing and knowing is no longer bouncing around off a thousand mirrors in the mind.

By: will

will — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 07:09:55 +0000

“Taste itâ€¦â€¦tasting it does not mean talking to yourself about it.”

timely reminder here……

thanks g

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:41:24 +0000

There is only One Knowing.

You ARE already THAT.

It does not matter what the mind labels it as……..’I’ or ‘me’………..Kris, Charlie Chan or Gilbert.

The First Instant of Being is Knowing.

The understanding is silent……..wordless.

All ‘your’ problems are made of words……ideas.

Drop them for a moment, as often as you can.

In these open moments (one moment) there is an obvious sense of ease………no problem.

Taste it……tasting it does not mean talking to yourself about it.

The sense of ‘I’ comes back in once the mind stirs back into gear and it all appears on the ground of being.

See that the me is translucent…harmless.

Above all be warm towards yourself….in that warmth the cold wall of separation melts.
Don’t expect it – BE IT.

Warm regards – Gilbert.

P.S. Most of the websites are about a particular ‘teacher’, usually the one who owns the website. This website is not about any teacher in particular.
It is all about delivering the clear and precise message – and that happens over and over and it appears to come from many sides and many angles.
The ‘target’ is unchanging. When the target is in tatters, the message is no longer needed. You have always been what you seek – just stop ignoring it.
Sometimes hearing it expressed is better than reading it. Here is a link to a video I just published http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OutXRiDnEL4&feature=channel_page
I don’t abide with too many links on this site but there another one is. However, it is precisely on the subject being discussed.

By: Ralph

Ralph — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:16:46 +0000

Sully, hope this helps:

Nisargadatta: â€œTo go beyond the mind, you must have your mind in perfect order. You cannot leave a mess behind and go beyond. He who seeks Liberation must examine his mind by his own efforts, and once the mind is purified by such introspection Liberation is obtained and appears obvious and natural.â€

Q: â€œThen why are sadhanas prescribed?â€
Nisargadatta: â€œFreedom to do what one likes is really bondage, while being free to do what one must, what is right, is real freedom.â€

Q: â€œHow can the absolute be the result of a process?â€
Nisargadatta: â€œYou are right, the relative cannot result in the absolute. But the relative can block the absolute, just as the non-churning of the cream may prevent butter from separating. It is the real that creates the urge; the inner prompts the outer and the outer responds in interest and effort.â€ â€œYou seem to want instant insight, forgetting that the instant is always preceded by a long preparation. The fruit falls suddenly, but the ripening takes time.â€

By: Ralph

Ralph — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:49:00 +0000

- See it now. With no â€œyouâ€ there is no â€œworldâ€. As in deep sleep. The world appears only when YOU show up!

This statement above is true but the problem is that “YOU “do show up !
For example, it appears Sully can testify to this. Direct pointing alone such as ‘just see’ and ‘just know’ may not be enough for most seekers because the stubborn ego will have to be seen through and this will be done in so-called time.It was formed in ‘time’ and will be seen for what it truly is in ‘time’ and yes, who we truly are is outside time and space.

Again I say if direct pointers alone work for you then go have a coffee and enjoy life but if you are one of the many that direct pointing is not enough, then roll up your sleeves and get to work !

Through the internet, there are some good teachers out there who can help point the way. Whatever works, go for it.

SEEK AND YOU SHALL FIND.

KNOW THYSELF.

By: charlie

charlie — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:16:41 +0000

it seems so ,,,, but is it true?

Looking at the human dilemma from the ordinary everyday “perspective” it’s clearly a play of “us vs. them”. Isn’t it? True or NOT? Isn’t that what seems most real to the brain of the human? Through the senses, the eyes see other, the ears hear other, there is the obvious now, then, someday we call time, with our little goals of becoming better or more enlightened “then after I do etc etc” … and the insecure little me is either submissive or resistant depending on how it’s “wired” … but always it’s a matter of “that out there ain’t me”. … it’s a thing to own and touch in lotsa fun ways! A Ferrari. Or better yet a pretty woman … she walks by, smiles at you and is wanted. (Ladies, reverse the roles. Gays? Whatever … it’s still Big Time Two-ness, dualism) So SHE (or HE) walks by and is wanted … by “me”.

Or that out there is feared, a threat to “my” survival: A gang of tough looking men walks by and we avoid them, or try to look tough enough to handle them. Or those who are REALLY scared get a pistol and a concealed carry permit. They might feel secure. Lots of people believe guns and bibles are THE answers to all of this. Beliefs in a better hereafter keep us insane today! But WHO believes? WHO feels secure? A phantom. The fakes we are prior to investigation and dissolution of the fake. (THAT will be a threat to the fake, in most cases â€¦ make no mistake, survival of â€œmeâ€ is a powerful brain program. Lie or not itâ€™s made real in our arrogant ignoranceâ€¦.

It’s all about… grab and own, or fight or flight!

Taken to the political level, it’s the dems vs. the g.o.p., it’s Israelis vs. Palestinians, it is me vs. thee or us vs. them. Have you ever stopped to look, howâ€™s that working out for you? And for them? All these wars? Fathers and sons, daughters and mothers, loved by a few and unloved by a fee, trying to feel secure in an unsafe world … how’ this really going for y’all??? Have a good look.

In nonduality, the clear and self-evident SEEING, KNOWING, is, it’s YOU VS YOU. There is nobody else but you in truth, yet it sure as bloody hell SEEMS that you and me are two and you and world are MANY. Right? Have a good look.

Then an old man comes along and says to you, this “you vs. me”, this “us vs. them”, is a product of an utterly bankrupt paradigm, a paradigm of two-ness or a unicity that is PLURAL and not SINGULAR. (“Unicity is plural and at minimum two”, as B Fuller asserted … incorrectly!) The pointer comes, what you are is NOT a thing separate from all things. You are The One and Only That. Being, just That.

See it now. With no “you” there is no “world”. As in deep sleep. The world appears only when YOU show up!

Ask you: WHAT is this “me” that has assumed itself to really be separate from everything else? We assume “I am separate from other”… Is that true? How do you really know? Can you open to the possibility that what you know is a delusion of mind? Do you have the courage to challenge EVERY assumption of what and who you are? Or are not? Where’s your evidence? The senses seem to provide evidence, for sure. It LOOKS like there IS separation. But what of that’s just brain-programming and in reality a LIE? Liar Liar Pants On Fire.

Meanwhile (ALL the so called while) Being shines in plain sight, free and clear, open and obvious.

You are THAT. Never born, never dead, Eternally Being and APPEARING as YOU … Life Itself. One-Not-Two Period. THAT and nothing else….

This is the real essence of Love. Unconditional, non-judgmental, no good no bad no right no wrong no one to defend no one to attack.

So be it.

By: dorothy hoffman

dorothy hoffman — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 16:40:25 +0000

Sully, for what my two cents are worth…the UGC continues to offer the most direct pointing available which leaves no ground for the seeker to stand on…
A lot of other teachers point in the same direction, in the same manner, with the same words; yet there remains a very subtle difference.
The difference being…an entity takes delivery of the message…and hopes to be free…
whereas….here, the absence of the seeker is constantly recognized…

By: Morgan

Morgan — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 14:36:33 +0000

Sully, in appearance it can be useful to talk directly to “someone” knowingly grounded in being. Alot of concepts that are believed in can be destroyed, including the “main culprit”, the belief in a separate self. The same no-thing is happening “everywhere” (which is always only where awareness is). So, though it appears thaty there is a separate you, it is only a thought arising in present being which is what you really are. This is easily observable. All thoughts, including about one’s identity, invariably fade. What’s left? THAT is what’s real and, yes, it’s still present in deep sleep or in any state – “it” is the source of all states and experiences.

By: Ralph

Ralph — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 05:31:25 +0000

The messenger (Guru) is human… will most certainly mess up but the message can be like gold.

….. so take what resonates from any so-called Guru and forget about the rest.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 05:08:49 +0000

The clearest messenger is simple and direct. Recognition of our true nature can ‘happen’ anywhere and at any time – it can only ever be NOW.
Follow what resonates in your being, not in your head. Charismatic types are rarely direct. They are too busy with their ‘image’ and holding the attention, which they crave for. We all know of such teachers and they have hundreds of followers. When the direct introduction to your true nature can be very brief and potent, one wonders why they collect seekers, if they truly know what they say they know. Beyond such details, as Bob points out in this program “Everyone is THAT, whether they know it or not”.
Being with someone like Bob can help, so long as one is truly willing to face the basic facts that he points out. Yet these facts are in his books and on his CD’s and in the programs here on the UGC. His short talk that he gives at the beginning of his meetings is packed with pointers and each one carries a ‘punch’ if it is truly heard.
Whatever clarity that gets expressed from time to time through ‘myself’ is mostly due to Bob’s ‘pointers’ that remarkably cleared away all my doubts.
The tossing and turning, in the mind, that had been going on for years (for me) just lifted away. It wasn’t some ‘event’ or some big deal. It was a blessed relief.
But the ‘me’ was not there trying to make a story out of it. I knew I had not gained anything – something was absent. The tormented ‘me’.
The mind is like a leaf covered courtyard. It may be cleared in an instant but the nature of change brings the wind and the wind blows new leaves onto the ground.
When we recognized the ground of our being, even though new leaves come, we know what they are and that they do not obscure our true nature.

When you recognize your own true nature, there will be (IS) a naked knowing and in that knowing it is known that there never was a time when you were not THAT knowing.
If you keep feeding the story, it will keep you trapped in time. But it is all appearance and ‘time’ does not exist.
YOU cannot enter the NOW. There is no way out of the dream IN the dream. The usual ‘spiritual scene’ is a dream only.
What you ‘think you are’ is a series of concepts and like the concept of time, they all coexist as concepts – appearances only.
But you are not a concept. SEE that. Recognize that.
All of the drama will fade away – so long as it has no energy of belief going into it.
Without belief going on – everything is clear and obvious – and so one knows what to do, in the moment, if something is necessary to ‘do’.

By: Sully

Sully — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:18:30 +0000

I get angry because I think understanding is unfolding for me, but something happens (like bill collectors call) and I start feeling like a loser again. I try telling myself I’m not this body, I’m not these thoughts but damn the feelings seem overwelming. Can you relate to what I’m saying? I have listen to the last program many times. I try to listen with the attitude that I’m already that. It does bring some relief but I can’t listen as much as I like because of work and family obligations.

Is the fact that I feel like a loser so much of the time mean I don’t have understanding and my mind is fooling me?

I appreciate any feedback.
P.S.
Gilbert,
Is it important to see a guru face to face? I’m talking about someone like Bob or you not money grubbing idiots. I read a guy named Mooji is coming to NY in September, I listened to him on consious tv and he seems like a straight shooter. Do you think seeing someone like that would help? Thanks

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:53:26 +0000

From this point onwards: The intention is to keep these comment pages exclusively for comments about the programs or the subject. Personal comments about individuals need to kept to a minimum – simply because it gets far too messy and off the track. we have tolerated a certain amount of it up to date but we need to clean things up a lot more now.
I would respectfully ask everyone to stick to this requirement. I will comply as best I can also. If anyone feels that I have stepped over the line, let me know and if it is so, I will delete the offending comments myself.
There is plenty to ask about or comment on, without resorting to silly personality games. Warm regards – Gilbert.

By: Lev

Lev — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 13:47:24 +0000

“That which is not present in deep, dreamless sleep, is not real” Ramana Maharshi.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 04:22:00 +0000

Do not identifying oneself as being a thought.
LIFE is ever fresh and immediate – if you need to identify with anything, then identify with THAT.
No certificate from any school, university or institution is going to bring you the the silent understanding of what you are.
Just like space, it is not an object. By insisting on being an object, ‘we’ suffer – and it is unnecessary. See if you can find this ‘knowing’ that you are.
It is a retracing of one’s steps. Neti neti – not this – not this.
Randall’s new book covers many aspects of this. Bob’s last book “One Essence expressing and appearing as Everything” is also a tremendous introduction to what needs to be recognized. But I can only point you in the right direction.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 01:07:21 +0000

The story of me is the dream. The dream character can never get out of the dream because it is the dream. No dream can withstand the naked waking state.
In the ordinary sense, when you wake up in the morning, there may be the tail end of a dream hanging around. It fades away.
When you see through the story of me, it ceases to trick what you truly are.
You can’t believe in it with the same intensity. It gradually ‘moves away’.
Things are not real. There is only Reality, One Reality, Singular.
Things are plural, multiple.
‘People’ talk about ‘my reality’ and ‘your reality’ as if it had some true meaning – but what they are talking about is their story of me.
Keyboards, websites, Australia, planet Earth, the galaxies and the Universe as ‘we see it’ are all appearances.
It all appears in the Seeing. It is the Seeing.
You cannot separate the seen from the seeing – or the seer from the seeing.
The seeing is the activity – the seen and the seer are objectifications, appearances.
This is why the seeker can NEVER arrive at its own projected destination.
The ‘answer’ is BE THE SEEING ONLY.
It is what you ARE – right now – no seeking required.
Get familiar with that.
The rest will fall away by itself.

P.S. What is on offer here is infinitely more direct than what is usually on offer through the usual presentations on Non Duality. I know that such statements just ‘touch a nerve’ for many ‘programmed individuals’ but I have looked around at what is out there – none of it comes anywhere near to this directness. This is not to say that everyone can bare to ‘hear it’. Obviously many can’t bare it and they let us know via their complaints and objections. The way to go is, ask your questions and clear away the doubts.
Don’t pretend that you don’t have any. Who are you fooling but yourself. If you don’t have any doubts, then there shouldn’t be any problem with anything.
But, if you are disturbed, then listen to the program again, before you make any complaint. After all this site is predominantly here for the programs.

By: Claudio

Claudio — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:55:34 +0000

“There is NO WAY OUT of the dream IN the dream.”

Sorry, I know I should understand what this means, but I don’t. It feels like Nonduality shorthand for a larger idea.

The ‘dream’ is that ‘things are real in and of themselves,’ independently? Like keyboards and websites and Australia.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:26:53 +0000

Action and thought are the same – both are spontaneous expressions.
One thought will ‘appear’ to lead to an action, while many other thoughts do not.
The mind translates what is ‘happening’ – the story of me is the dream. There is NO WAY OUT of the dream IN the dream.
When the thought arises “I am just being a mindless fool” it is a judgment being measured from a reference point called ‘me’. It is an invalid reference point.
On Bob Adamson’s website there is a quote – from Herbert Spencer:
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation”.
Assumptions and beliefs are not going to do it for you.
This is the crux of it all. Investigate this ‘me’ that is constantly being used to measure ‘things’ – investigate without telling another story.
In the immediate knowing, the clear space of seeing-knowing, there is no ‘me’ there, no division whatsoever.
As this profundity expands as conscious presence, it demolishes all beliefs without mercy.
‘Who’ truly wants that?
Yet it is the only reality that there is. Thoughtless Reality – silent understanding – wordless knowing.

In the appearance of things, I have played a role in getting Bob Adamson’s expressions on Non Duality ‘out there’, so that many can access it.
His message is the clearest of all I have come across – no exceptions. It worked with me, where others just kept me running around in the mind conceptualizing endlessly.
There is not even a speck of doubt about this here. Now, I can ‘point’ in a similar way, without making myself into ‘someone special’. That is a rare thing, so it seems. However, this message is direct and precise and because it is so direct and precise, simple and effective – so many miss it.
Why? Because they are wanting to add to a pre-conceived notion with new concepts. That is the way most seekers are. Out of those many there are always one or two, now and then, who truly respond to the message. One cannot assume that you are not that one. In fact you are that One. Realize THAT.

By: Claudio

Claudio — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:19:29 +0000

Thanks for writing that Gilbert. ‘Shit storm’ is really an apt expression. It’s so intolerable, whenever I see that show thoughts continually arise that if Richard and I were in grade school together, I would so constantly be kicking his ass — and then living with the guilt later in life. Thank the Lord he’s a billion years older than me…

So anyway, this presence awareness that’s undeniably here, that’s on, that can’t be cut with a thought. I wanna do something with it! Thoughts of ‘I’m just being a mindless fool’ keep arising when noticing the presence — being conscious of the consciousness, so to speak.

It’s like action does require thought. I’m projecting here, but what you’re talking about isn’t to mean “exist mindlessly,” does it?

“What’s wrong with THOUGHT if you don’t think about it…”?

w/Love,
Claud Von Clod

By: gilbert

gilbert — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:49:32 +0000

I have been around a few years, two books, a website and many visitors and readers etc. No Spiritual Magazines or TV shows are banging on my door wanting an interview. In my opinion, such media is full of crap and ‘products’. It is all fancy advertising and a money spinner for the publishers. The direct message has nothing to do with being popular or getting rich. In such an arena the message gets corrupted, fuzzy and indistinct – and egos come out to play. This is happening all over the place – but no one challenges them on it. Wankers in a public place – it is against the law.
Richard Miller…..mmm. Charlie was on that show recently. Some may not like Charlie’s ‘ways’ but he was pretty ‘on the ball’ in that interview. I had the distinct impression that “Ricky don’t lose that number” was somehow playing in the background for Richard. In other words, Richard wasn’t following all that well, what Charlie was expressing……he was looking for that ‘number’, or the next question. Take Areti for instance, she is right there with the interview, knows the subject and picks up on points to explore, very well.
As for Never not Here, it seems the host has found a way not to be here, when he is distracted. I’m just joking, playing the old flute again.
The most efficient way to deliver the message is one to one. Those who truly resonate find their way to what it is that they need. I have been around long enough to know what works and what doesn’t. Frankly I am not interested in gathering a whole new audience and being pestered by half baked seekers, full of hundreds of concepts. It is a shit fight and one that I don’t need or want.
The Circus Show where all the Clowns are Gurus is not the place to present the direct message. The audience usually miss the message and unless the interviewer has a good grasp of what is being expressed, it can turn into something rather the opposite of what it is meant to be.
Besides, the audience of such Shows are what I call ‘Guru Hoppers’. They have heard so many teachers and gurus. One more isn’t going to make any difference.

It is the resonance in being that ‘grabs you by the ear’ and takes you where you need to go.

By: Johnny

Johnny — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:11:53 +0000

The fellow in Chicago on TV is Richard Miller. His program is called “Never Not Here”. He has interviewed “lots” of Advaita teachers and the popularity of the archived programs is growing. I emailed him the other day and suggested he try to interview more teachers who had met “Sailor Bob”. He said he would be happy to and that I should invite them.

So here’s an open invitation to teachers who have met “Sailor Bob” to be on the Never Not Here program and clear up any remaining points of confusion that may remain among “seekers”. You don’t have to go to Chicago. Richard is now conducting interviews via Skype. I would love see Gilbert on the program and hear him sing his song: “What’s wrong with right now (an ode to “Sailor Bob”). Quite nice!

By: Ron Marson

Ron Marson — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:40:10 +0000

What use is a thousand pointers if recognition does not happen?

It seems to me that all pointing, all science, all poetry, all bliss, all upset, all wisdom, all foolishness is a necessary yet impossible attempt to recognize ‘one elephant’ from different points of view. Until I die to my particular point of view as somehow better or worse than your point of view, I cannot consciously rest as the one elephant I’ve always been.

There is only one elephant, ONE-KNOWING (not two) and currently over 6.9 billion translations of this ONE-KNOWING on planet Earth. And there are countless non-human life forms that also know, including this small bird outside my window that knows how to gather up spider silk to hold her nest together. And what marvelous unfoldments of this ONE-KNOWING must stretch throughout our Milky Way and beyond that we can’t possibly imagine!

This ONE-KNOWING is known by ITSELF always now, and now, and now — way stronger than proof. Everywhere IT looks IT sees only ITSELF. Every infant knows ITSELF. You and I know ITSELF. Everything that is alive knows ITSELF — immediate, alive, pranic, obvious yet subtle; everywhere yet nowhere, not two.

You, me, we, them, it, this, that — all so-called objects in this apparent multiplicity are ONE-KNOWING. Multiplicity arises within ONE-KNOWING. Mind moves and creation is. Mind stops and ONE-KNOWING is. This is always happening. An existential fact beyond belief and doubt, known equally by infant and scholar, recognized by very few.

Experiment: Look at your hand right now. Can you say what it is without moving your mind, without thinking a thought? No. Without moving your mind, without judging between ‘hand’ and ‘not-hand’ you can’t say what ‘hand’ is. Clearly something is there. You know THAT it is. But you can’t say WHAT it is. This applies to all so-called objects in this apparent multiplicity: hand, world, person, self, etc.

This dying into the elephant (before the body dies) is a most natural process. It happens countless times during our waking hours, in the split-second pause between any two thoughts, in dreamless sleep. Mind stops (death) and we know THAT we are (but can’t say what). Mind moves (birth) and we know WHAT we are in subject/object creation as mental translation. Death in the world of thought is life in the timeless absolute. This is something my ego loves to think about (like now), but will never, never know. Why? Because ego is mental movement and ONE-KNOWING is stillness.

Another Experiment: For one day, or one hour, or the next 10 minutes, ‘try setting aside’ left-brain ‘you’ that habitually translates what it sees, feels and hears. In this opened space, what does right-brain YOU notice that left-brain ‘you’ has previously resisted? What do YOU notice about ‘you’ right now in this world? Clearly life moves on, as always. All your personal preferences remain intact. Thoughts may still be streaming though your left brain, or not. This is not a problem! See through all this apparent activity, inside and out, to the subtle ground that sustains all of this. What do YOU see? See that YOU don’t move. See the sweet convergence of personal with impersonal. All of your personal functioning is still functioning. Yet ‘you’ are not doing anything. All of life is being done for ‘you’. ONE-KNOWING is breathing ‘you’. YOU are breathing ‘you’, now, and now, and now….

ONE-KNOWING is stillness, what YOU always are. Look at all the forms and movements outside your window, and SEE this pranic stillness that gives birth to all outer activity. Notice all the forms and movements inside your brain and body, and FEEL this pranic stillness that gives birth to all inner activity. Outside and inside movements all arise in one stillness, ONE-KNOWING. See ‘you’ and ‘world’ all masquerading as YOU.
Look for Christ’s sake (for the sake of Christ-consciousness in ‘you’).

Only stillness can see stillness. Your whole consciously breathing body is one giant cosmic antenna receiving stillness. Out of this stillness your moving mind discriminates form and movement, follows pointers or not, recognizes ITSELF or not. Has this ever been a problem? Do readers on this site ever need fixing? We are already complete, stone dead in God/THIS/Ground, so very much alive!

By: Claudio

Claudio — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:01:23 +0000

Any chance we’ll see Gilbert at some point on Conscious.TV with Iain McNay?

(That bumbling dude outta Chicago who’s a cross between David Letterman playing a dumb guy and the Chris Farley cable television talk show host character would be a distant second. Always Not There, I think it’s called.)

By: Tim

Tim — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:34:54 +0000

Ya, Fernando,
And realizing the steering wheel ain’t actually attached to anything….!

By: Fernando Rozas

Fernando Rozas — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:19:55 +0000

We are no-thing. Absolutelly no-thing.
This is what we don’t want to understand.
Every ‘thing’ we take for real is imagination, including us !!!
That’s scaring for the ME.

By: Tim

Tim — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:03:18 +0000

Here’s something that comes to mind-

The seeing of this aware presence is fairly easy if one will just have look.
It can almost be understood with the intellect, even if not seen there.

But what really boggles the mind, what really seems magical and mysterious is how that sense of being an individual keeps arising, the sense of a self having relationships with other individuals. It looks and feels so real sometimes it’s amazing. Like Bob’s says about the ocean always looking blue even though when you investigate it, and have a good look, it simply isn’t blue. This feeling of being an isolated individual is the best show in town, and you get to be in the show, not just watch. Maybe just taken a little too seriously at times.

By: kale

kale — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:54:20 +0000

In reading Gilbert’s posts, the mind (if there is one) simply shuts…
which only equates to this knowing presence revealing itself…
but even that is not true…because it is always here
this imaginary person cannot be found…except for an appearance…
there is nothing solid about it…
It is like trying to grasp the wind…
Simply relaxing into this knowing presence…as this presence…because nothing else can be located…
what more to say…

By: gilbert

gilbert — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:46:26 +0000

I have just listened again to this program. It is exceptionally clear and direct. Anyone who actually can follow what is being pointed out must have insights by the dozen. However, if the mind is actively trying to hang onto old ideas or trying to add some new knowledge to its resume, the message will be missed. Listen with an openness. Listen a few times, each time as if you have not heard it before. The kernel of what this website is about is right there in what is being pointed out. There will always be those who want to argue the point over some detail.
But if these ones could only follow what is expressed in this program, it will surely undermine all arguments. Actually, I think that this interview, plus a few of the other programs have really delivered, for those open to it, the clearest ‘message’ that is available.
There is no mumbo jumbo stuff to believe in. No methods to learn. No special words to get caught up in. No membership and no club to belong to.
Enjoy. Warm regards – Gilbert.
Post script: Where can we go from here? Surely this puts an end to ‘More’ being necessary.
The ‘pointing’ is ever fresh. The dynamic aspect of any pointer is the ‘recognition’ that spontaneously ‘happens’. It is always unexpected.
What use is a thousand pointers, if the recognition does not ‘happen’?

By: gilbert

gilbert — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:45:03 +0000

Should I stop trying to imagine what understanding Non Duality WILL feel like?
Can you stop imagining what anything feels like? That is a better question.
Imagination is not the actual.
Anticipation of a future time in the actuality is simply imagination.
This is why all the teachings about deliverance in a future time do not work.
The only way is to ‘start’ right here and right now – you are the immediate experiencing – and there is no entity to it.
Naked awareness does no have any particular form – it appears AS all forms.
‘We’ personalize everything and fail – all the while Cosmic Consciousness remains un disturbed by any events in time.
Time is a concept appearing as a concept. Remove belief from this concept of time and naked awareness is obvious.
The ‘problem’ is that it can only be seemingly used by a false ‘entity’ to enhance the imagination and that belief system always fails. Because it is not real.
So ‘who’ are you?
‘What’ are you?
Strip all the concepts away and what is left is THAT which cannot be negated.

By: big john

big john — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:10:20 +0000

After listening to Bob a thought arose and was watched as it disappeared into nothingness, “it disappeared into nothingness is a thought concept, it appeared is a thought concept”.
What is real ? Knowing !!! the knowing in which all events, experiences and concepts appear to appear. There is no previous no next only ever fresh knowing.

Thanks to Gilbert and team for the exceptional pointing found here.

By: Carlos Castaneda's Gross Deformity

Carlos Castaneda's Gross Deformity — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:25:44 +0000

Should I stop trying to imagine what understanding Nonduality will feel like?

By: gilbert

gilbert — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:55:20 +0000

Like a ‘message in a bottle’, sent off upon ‘the ocean’, tossed and turned by every wave.
Somehow the bottle finds its way onto a ‘private beach’, your beach. You notice the bottle but you don’t go over and pick it up. The trash can is already full. One day you pick it up and you notice that there is a piece of paper in the bottle. You extract the cork and the message. Instantly the message resonates with a profundity, something that you have always known but have seemingly forgotten. It is a message from your own self.
This program is like a hundred messages in bottles all scattered along your ‘private beach’.
Listen closely to the interview. The pointers are spontaneously recognized as a resonance in being.
When those who have tried to gather and accumulate ‘stuff’ to build a better spiritual self-image, grow tired of that game. When they hear the message, a ‘bell’ rings deep in the being-ness. That bell is resonating already.
It won’t stop ringing. It merely lulls to a blissful expansive presence.
So, if you have not responded yet, you can drop your spiritual obsessions with false teachers and prophets and simply respond to your own infinite nature.

By: Morgan

Morgan — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:21:52 +0000

All that can be known directly is being. All “knowledge” after that is a concept. If it is seen that the concepts are only that then there’s no “problem”. Being cannot be taken away from you – it IS you. It cannot be lost or drowned in noise. Sound, thought or silence are all states that arise within you. Don’t torture “yourself” with ideas of body, mind, self, world and other. These are only presently appearing thoughts. Realize that all there is is being and YOU ARE THAT.

By: charlie

charlie — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:13:57 +0000

THANKS ALL! Bob as always points with compassion, clarity and from Heart to Heart … when I was in Melbourne in 2005 Bob was saying much the same things directly to me, yet after leaving it seemed ‘something was still missing’ and I went on surfing sites, hearing audios, and trying to express this One-Essence. There were weird trips, arguments and being on and off meds. When ‘the penny dropped’ there was a laugh at this sort of persona that was basically a complaining argumentative manipulative brat. Oneness loves the most spoiled bratty kid as Its own, doesn’t it!?
The good news is that once I heard the direct message from Source (Bob) then the final dissolution of the belief in being that ‘mask’ was inevitable … as Bob repeats “everybody is already THAT” so how could it fail? That was one of the ;last things Bob said as I was leaving … this cannot fail … that pointer became a source of solace in the Dark Days!
Bob is such a treasure! Leaves The One wondering how it could have been missed, THIS, hiding in plain sight. Very cool to hear Areti so clear also … Love ya, Bob, Areti, Gilbert … so free, so ‘amazing’ to the ‘mind’ … like a great dream, waking and being amazed at how it all was so real then utterly gone leaving only the always essence. Bob is for me like a fine gourmet ‘creme brulle’ … even when ‘full’ there is always room for ‘dessert!’

By: Mike in SF

Mike in SF — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:09:57 +0000

G & A, Peter Francis Dziuban is another teacher that might be interesting to interview. There are some new clips of him on youtube.

Mike

By: Jacob ,Isle of wight. u.k

Jacob ,Isle of wight. u.k — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:07:18 +0000

Your an angel G . love Jake

By: gilbert

gilbert — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:54:55 +0000

Oscillating between hope and despair will just bring exhaustion.
There is no answer in the mind.
The ONLY way out of the mind is FULL STOP. (period)
The thought that I cannot stop thinking is just a thought.
Instead of pouring all the energy into despair – simply stop thought for a moment.
In that ceasing there is an obvious clear space – get a taste of it.
This spaciousness where no thoughts are racing around, is the background of the Universe.
Stillness, emptiness, silence, peace.
There is no peace in the mind – it is restless by its own nature.
You don’t have to look for the wakefulness, nor the space or the silence.
There is far more silence in the universe than sound – there is far more empty space in the Universe than there is ‘matter’.
Be warm towards your own being-ness.
No matter how dark a belief may appear to be, it cannot withstand the clear light of SEEING-KNOWING.
This is why we say: Investigate this ‘me’ – see what substance it has. See if it has any independent existence.
No one can do it for you.
You can thank me after it has been seen through. It is now time to SEE that it is not real. As the t-shirt says: “Just Do it”.

By: Jacob ,Isle of wight. u.k

Jacob ,Isle of wight. u.k — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:31:03 +0000

thats all the mind knows . a feeling of complete dispare comes in , it brings the along with it lables like , it would be better off ending this life than to try and cope with such darkness. its seems thats all it knows . past expereinces registers these in memory then the circle continues from the slightest situation, trigures the same suicidle, being trapped, no escape type feelings off. your pointers are razor sharp gilbert , I jump off every one much love and thanks ,Jacob

By: Fernando Rozas

Fernando Rozas — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:23:06 +0000

Experiencing-Knowing is Non Objective.
‘Experiences’ are objective.
It’s impossible to point at the Experiencing-Knowing because this is Non Objective: Mirror like ‘Intelligence in action’.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:27:41 +0000

The ‘arena’ I am speaking of is emptiness.
Concepts appear to happen, appear as ‘events’ – yet if you try to grasp one, it can’t be done. There is an experiment suggested on my website, first item. Try it, if you feel inclined to. Whatever it takes, to allow the recognition of our true nature is valid, yet it can ‘appear’ in a billion ways and each case is unique, just as each one of us is unique.
Generalizations are like the fog. When the minds conceptualizing lifts like a fog, everything is clear and obvious – yet it always was clear and obvious.
There is no physical reality – the physical nature is an appearance.
There is only one reality and it is unchanging. Everything that you have ever witnessed belongs to phenomena, the changeful nature of ‘things’.
Upon what do all the impressions register?
Isn’t it the pure ‘knowing’?
Try at ‘point’ at that knowing.
It can’t be done. Yet this is what all the pointing is about.
Recognizing the impossibility of pointing at the knowing, you may then have some compassion for those who consistently and unrelentingly ‘attempt’ to point at THAT.
It is ALL “One Essence expressing and appearing as everything” – as Bob Adamson so clearly pointed out in one sentence. THAT is intelligence in action. Yet few ‘hear it’.
There is a book by that name, available on Bob’s website – it is well worth reading, a hundred times.

By: dualdave

dualdave — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:39:26 +0000

Gilbert,

You said:

“Everything is appearing to happen in an â€˜arenaâ€™ that is not a â€˜happeningâ€™.”

Would this ‘arena’ be the flow of concepts (words/sentences) that flow through the mind (awareness) as thoughts?

What struck here after reading that was a distinction between the obvious ‘physical reality’ now, and the flow of thoughts that may or may not be related to the ‘physical reality’ now coming in through the senses.

Is that what you were pointing to?

Thanks again for all of this, the podcasts, the site, and the steady flow of pointers.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:03:02 +0000

In other words, in the pure knowing, the pure experience, there is the knowing that any description that appears is only a transient appearance (in time) while the knowing is timelessly present and THAT is what I am. I am not these stories, these descriptions of experiences. They appear and they disappear BUT do I disappear?
Can you tell me of any time when you were NOT? All experiences are descriptions of the ‘past’. Let them go and naked awareness reveals its ever present nature.
Simple – keep it simple. Don’t get caught up in the words.
The nature of the world is endless change, appearances, and yet each seeming separate appearance is like a reflection in the mirror. It is ONE reflection – there are no discreet appearances, reflections, in the mirror. You cannot separate any one of them from the mirror because they ARE the mirror.
The recognition of our true nature is unexpected.
It is not caused by any ‘event’ in ‘time’ – BECAUSE it IS already HERE as what you truly ARE.
It is merely thoughts, concepts that suggest otherwise – and they are all transient – they have no substance or independence whatsoever.
If you can grasp this ‘factor’, this factor that can only be pointed at with words, it is enough.
You are the Immediacy – the Experiencing. Ceaseless. Un-mediated Knowing.
I don’t know in this moment how else to point to it.

By: Fernando Rozas

Fernando Rozas — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:37:40 +0000

‘Experiencing’ is not experiencing ‘experiences’.
Experiencing is Non Conceptual.
On the other side, EVERY ‘experience’ is conceptual, is different from ‘other’ experiences, is ‘defined’.
Gilbert says: “In the immediacy (experiencing) there is no ‘time’ for any description to take place.” No ‘time’ for any ‘experience’ (concept).

By: gilbert

gilbert — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:39:56 +0000

There is no way out of the dream IN the dream.
The habit of referring everything to ‘me’ can be broken. The story can be stopped.
By not wishing to alter anything, or change anything, the investment in the story of me will shift or dissolve. The habit of judging has a seeming momentum. What is necessary is not going to come from some habitual way of dealing with things. The conflict is a turmoil of referencing and judgment – “It shouldn’t be like this”.
The slightest inclination ‘to be open to what is’, has more potency than any habit.

By: Jacob ,Isle of wight. u.k

Jacob ,Isle of wight. u.k — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:53:57 +0000

At times there seems to be a quietness, very fleeting, at other times despairing breakdowns flood the space with the feeling of no hope, no escape from the darkness. A huge referencing to the me. Haven’t had a chance to listen to Bob yet chaos in the house. – love Jacob.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:53:40 +0000

There is no inner knowing and some outer knowing.
There is only knowing – everything is THAT.
It is only the mind that divides – or appears to divide and name ‘things’.
In naming things ‘we’ believe that we understand – and that is misunderstanding.
Listen to the program. Listen a few times. Things fall into place.

By: Richard

Richard — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:02:22 +0000

Fernando says, “To think â€˜I knowâ€™ (I understand) is to miss the target.
To think â€˜I donâ€™tâ€™ is to miss the target.”

I think in Gilbert’s reply, his “knowing” may refer to ‘inner’ intuitive knowing.

Fernando’s “I dont [know]” might be refered to as ignorance (of what is so). His “I know (I understand)” can be useful to counter ignorance.

Then both ignorance and knowledge can be dropped. There are none of these in the Absolute.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:40:45 +0000

The experience has NO being – whatsoever – it is a description only.
Experience ING is all there is. In the immediacy, there is not ‘time’ for any description to take place. There is no ‘landing pad’ in the immediacy for any ‘me’.
In this immediacy, concepts of an experienc-er appear and disappear, yet they have no duration nor any existence.
When the experienc-er is believed in, there is a translation going on. ‘I am doing this – or this is happening to me’.
The experiencing is uninterrupted. In this immediacy, words are registering and they are understood instantly without any turmoil in the mind.
The experiencing does not have a ‘me’ to it.
When the experiencing includes a clear view of the activity of the mind, there is no one that benefits from this. Yet the translation of mind consistently and habitually adds a reference point called ‘me’……”Oh I get it”…….”Oh I lost it”……..”How do I get back to that immediate experiencing?” …etc.
Do you see the paradox?
Who can I attribute these insights to?
The image of ‘me’ cannot acquire anything. It is all smoke and mirrors.
There is only one factor that is unassailable – the fact of your own being.
The rest is conceptualization. SEE that clearly and BE that seeing only.

By: Tom Allen

Tom Allen — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:10:01 +0000

I think I’ve made or experienced some sort of intuitive leap lately–I have heard so many teachers for so many,many years that I don’t know to whose influence to attribute it . Plainly stated , it is this:Everything, just as it is experienced, is also the being of the experiencer because–if I may use the word because–being experienced is the only being anything experienced has.So, the experience of anything is the whole of it. I know beyond doubt what I am trying to say is true but the way I am expressing it may be assailable. Does this make sense to anybody?

By: gilbert

gilbert — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:13:31 +0000

The concept that ‘I am separate’ is conceptualizing.
The concept that there is ‘a target’ is erroneous – but it is understood what is meant. No problem.
There is no answer to this question of what I am, in any conceptualizing process.
The absurdity is that there is no one that ever ‘got this’ and those who say they did get it are just conceptualizing.
Just as the hand cannot grasp empty space, the mind can never grasp the cognizing – the knowing.
‘We’ imagine that the minds constant translation of ‘what is’ is our personal ‘reality’.
Empty space is not personal. The pure knowing is not personal.
What is this insistence, this drive to claim ownership of knowledge?
it is the concept of being separate, ‘me’ and the fear of ‘not me’ that drive the intellect to try and fortify some safe ground. You can be a guru and surround yourself with hundreds of devotees but it will not help one iota. In fact it only imprisons the guru and his devotees in a fictional drama. Is the empty space concerned?
True understanding is like empty space. It is not personal.
This kind of information will only disturb the self-centered activities. Dismiss this information if you can. Innately you KNOW. It is not a matter of the known or the knower.
Try and negate that knowing.
That takes you to the core of your existence – non conceptual awareness.
Once this is done, what ‘more’ do ‘you’ want?

By: Fernando Rozas

Fernando Rozas — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:58:54 +0000

To think ‘I know’ (I undestand) is to miss the target.
To think ‘I don’t’ is to miss the target.

By: Nicholas Steffens

Nicholas Steffens — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:48:07 +0000

This is the clearest pointing that I have heard on the urban guru cafe. Bob cuts through the intellect like a warm knife to butter. Well done to all involved.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:14:20 +0000

The most subtle vibration appears in emptiness.
The loudest sound appears in emptiness.
What you are has never appeared…..and so it can never disappear.
Philosophy is words, concepts and ideas. A network of intricate patterns, which entertain the intellect. ‘We’ think we are smart if we can keep up with Kant or Plato or whoever.
‘We’ may obtain University Degrees by the dozen.
When it comes to this subject of who or what I am – the degrees are just pieces of paper and complex memories.
If you lay on the beach or on the grass and bathe in the subtle warmth of the sun rays – isn’t there a simple blissful relaxation in being?
Having a simple warmth of being, an affection for this ever fresh moment of simplicity of uncomplicated being, is fertile ground for recognizing our true nature.

By: Fernando Rozas

Fernando Rozas — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:57:38 +0000

Yes.
The problem is that EVERY word is dualistic.
HERE implies THERE. NOW implies THEN.
Then – what?
Even ‘to remain silent’ is the opposite of ‘to speak’ (excuse my English!)
Best wishes

By: gilbert

gilbert — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:04:58 +0000

‘We’ take so much for granted – so much of ‘our’ so called ‘experiences’ are unquestioned – ‘non-investigated’. This immediate experience-ing is uninterrupted and the nature of ‘our experiences’ is a story, a translation in the mind – ‘after-ness’.
Everything is appearing to happen in an ‘arena’ that is not a ‘happening’.
This basic nature of ‘what I am’ is self-evident but it needs to be recognized.
Only a few hear and understand. One can go on and on about why so many miss the point, but so many miss that point also, so why go on about it? ‘People’ love drama.
The fox in the hen house is ‘drama’ for the farmer, the ‘owner’ of the chickens.
Is he concerned about the lives of the chickens or his supply of eggs being cut off?
That little metaphor symbolizes what goes on the the lives of most spiritual aspirants – yet it is not investigated thoroughly. Why not?
Because their belief system gets in the way at every turn. The resonance in being arises beyond the ‘personal’ investments and the ‘personal’ is put aside naturally.

If there is no ‘there’ anywhere, then what meaning can ‘here’ have?
We label ‘things’ and imagine that we understand what these ‘things’ are.
The paradox is that if this here now it all there is, then what point is there to any affirmation of that or any denial of that? And ‘who’ needs to affirm or deny it?
For what ‘reason’ or purpose? What possible difference could it make? What is ‘reason’? What is ‘purpose’? And ‘who’ wants to know ‘what’?
Since any perceived difference could only be an appearance in ‘this here now’ which is undifferentiated.
There is knowing – when we say ‘I don’t know’ it is the ‘I’ that does not know. The knowing is ever present – but NOT as a ‘person’.
By what other ‘means’ do these words convey anything at all? Knowing is all that is happening – to deny this is a mind game only.
As soon as it is personalized, duality enters.
This KNOWING that you ARE …..is NON DUAL.

By: Fernando Rozas

Fernando Rozas — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:27:06 +0000

Everything is happening in HERE, right NOW.
There is no THERE, there is no THEN.
THIS-HERE-NOW is ALL there is.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:37:58 +0000

Who is this one that says “without any effort on my part”?
The mind translates what is ‘happening’ and this translation is believed to be real.
It is just mind translation, words, concepts and ideas etc.
‘People’ appear to believe in what the mind translates. But even this description is erroneous.
There is naked awareness and it cannot be negated.
That is the key. Explore that and forget about the labels.
The labels know nothing. The ‘me’ knows nothing at all.
Where is the knowing happening? Explore that.
Listen to the program again…and again….let it sink in.

By: dan

dan — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:13:38 +0000

bob is da king!

“the only thing that was born was the belief in the entity”

By: kale

kale — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:41:24 +0000

Question: In saying that the realization gets deeper, does it not mean that the concepts start to thin and wash themselves out ? without any effort on “my” part. There remains more open ness…

Then thought arises in this open-ness and tries to label this open-ness as “something”. Some word…

By: krusty

krusty — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:15:27 +0000

great pointing…
”The thought ”I see” can’t see and the thought ”I hear” cant’t hear,” sums it up extrmely nice.

By: Bob Seal

Bob Seal — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:17:58 +0000

Gilbert and Areti, Thanks.
Always good to get the nuts and bolts from Sailor Bob.

By: gilbert

gilbert — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:52:37 +0000

Welcome to our new program on Bob Adamson. When we get down to the nuts and bolts of it all, the story of ‘me’ starts to take on a transparent quality. Don’t fight it.
Seeing-knowing cannot be turned off. You are not asleep. Everything you need is on hand without need of any intellectual effort.
These comment pages are here for a ‘reason’. Ask questions and make comments regarding the programs and the ‘subject’.
If you resonate with the message and still have some doubts, the opportunity is here to explore any questions or doubts you may have. This is not about ‘personalities’.
It is about ‘uncovering’ your true nature. The life essence that is beating your heart does not have any problems. It is the belief in being a separate ‘entity’ that ’causes’ problems.
When a genuine resonance arises or expands in your being, it is the habitual ‘old’ mind that needs to be cleared out of the way. Questions naturally come up and they need to be addressed. Left to your own devices, the mind may well just return to its ‘old’ pathways.
The opportunity is always here, to clear away all doubts. Doubt is a thought.
What you are is not a thought.
There is only LIFE, One Essence, expressing in THIS immediacy, appearing in THIS immediacy AS Everything. THIS is what you ARE.
The body (form) and the world (all matter) are not the source of anything at all.
They are the expression of the One Essence AS the immediacy and there is no independent ‘point’ anywhere that ‘does’ anything, including what you believe you are. What you ARE is that One Essence. This Infinite Intimacy of Knowing does not depend on any thought, concept or idea. Everything – every thing is the One Essence ‘appearing’ as the infinte array of patterns, forms. Through the CORE of your own Being, the ‘return journey’ to ‘what I am’ appears to require a ‘recognition’.
Listen closely to what is offered in this program – listen not as a separate ‘entity’ wanting to get something – start from the fact that you are THAT One Essence. This is the direct and immediate nature of Life itself.