53. Spontaneous Recognition – At Bob Adamson’s place
Posted September 16, 2009
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Some excellent points are discussed in this recording from a recent meeting at Bob’s place.
Music includes: Cheb i Sabbah, Gilbert on Mandola, Ry Cooder, Gilbert O’Sullivan, Gary Jules and Lemonjelly.
IMPORTANT NOTE: For those having a difficulty understanding Bob’s accent, we have made, just for you, a transcript.
Read the transcript as you listen. It will assist to make it a lot more accessible. The Australian accent can be hard to understand for some.
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So glad to see this new podcast. Thank-you for doing this.
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non-conceptual awareness, dropping the story and effortless living what more could anyone want.
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Thanks team, love the ability to receive the comments via feed and access my favourites through the UGC speakers listing. Text size is nice and easy to read. Did like the sparkler trail though, a bit more original than the candle. Well done all involved. Now to listen to Bob…
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Bob is the best.
Throughout the podcast there was a slight ticking noise. Maybe it was only in my speakers?
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Richard, that ticking noise is the clock that was sitting beside the microphone. Don’t you love the irony of that?
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I discovered UGC quite some time ago while searching the iTunes podcast lists. It has been a significant help to me. I visit the website regularly to read the comments. Since the website upgrade, the UGC podcast link to iTunes is broken. For now, I’ve jury rigged the MP3 to play on my iPod. Would somebody kindly reset the rss URL through iTunes?
Thanks.
Stephen
SF Bay Area
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Really appreciate this excellent and basically unique podcast you guys are doing. Aside from the spot on content, the production values are just great – it’s nice to hear something so well edited, and with great tunes etc, which is such a contrast to.. ahem one other Australian vedanta podcast.
I don’t know if it’s just me but I do find Bob sometimes hard to hear though. Most of the speakers in the room come out well, but he’s quite soft spoken perhaps. Perhaps a mic on Bob could be useful?
Anyway, main thing is thank you, thank you, thank you.
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lol, Gilbert Mandola.
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The ‘world’ is like a simphony (of sound, colors, forms)that ‘resounds’ in Awareness. Awareness is ON. Ever.
Thank you very much for this excelent website.
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Honestly, I can’t make out half of this podcast. Poor audio, plus Bob’s accent.
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We are looking into the podcast links to itunes and will hopefully have it fixed soon.
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intellectually this non-duality stuff cannot be grasped by a ‘me’!especially if the ‘me’ is entirely fictitious.Whatever knowledge is accumulated about one’s true reality is subject to modification and can easily go from clarity to confusion,in other words it is not stable or constant.
Only that which cannot be negated is stable and constant.
you are that.
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For those of you having difficulty with Bob’s accent etc, stay tuned as I will have a transcript up for you over the next couple of days or so.
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Thank you Areti!
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Thanks for the transcript and I really loved the music in this podcast. Bob’s pointers on space and where you are seeing from were very clear.
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Why are all the faces sad? Anyway, all guru’s sort of play a trick. Like Gilbert tells us we are the knowing, when in reality the Self is beyond conscious knowing and unconscious ignorance, or like in Vedanta it is beyond being and non-being. Knowing is just the way to get to it, since it is the closest link.
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awareness is self-knowing. everything is THAT. You are THAT. the chair is THAT. Your computer is THAT. i am THAT. everyone is THAT.
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Yes, we are back. Some major hickups with the site or server. All resolved nicely now. We will streamline the site as we go along. The registration of comment makers will sort out a lot of the crap that was happening. We have some new programs lined up, so you can expect the flow to continue ‘as before’ more or less.
Whatever is ‘showing up’ in your consciousness is valid as an appearance.
What you true are has no form and is pure knowing. THAT is all inclusive.
Everything is perfect as it is. Know thyself. It is ALL THAT.
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came across this quote by john wheeler on randall friend’s blog:finding common ground.
“The whole world appears in the light of consciousness. Consciousness itself is a time-bound, phenomenal state, an appearance on that unconditioned source which is prior to consciousness. Reality is non-conceptual awareness that does not even know that it is. Simply put, you are the one who is aware of being and of being conscious. That ‘you’ is entirely beyond the body, senses, mind, consciousness and anything else that can be perceived or conceived. It cannot be grasped or even be understood, because it is what you are.”
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There is no separation. There is no ‘you’ here in a body or beyond the body. The only light by which seeing happens is SEEING itself. Any idea that appears about a ‘you’ or ‘me’ being ‘something’ is just a movement of energy. The Clear and Empty Space of Knowing remains undisturbed for-ever ‘timeless’. Do not postulate anything – do not postulate some realm of the unknown or some ‘higher plane of being’. It is so simple, right here, right now. Watch closely the smallest movements of ‘mind’ and SEE that they are ‘all included in ‘that’ – that which knows it is’.
True compassion is the destruction of all bondage to concepts and states of imaginary being.
Where is this pure SEEING happening? The ‘answer’ is not in the dissolution of all concepts about the question. There is no answer – and any answer can only ever ‘appear’ and ‘disappear’ in the SEEING. ‘You’ never existed. Ha. ‘Who’ would have suspected that?
Stop pretending to be a seeker and be what you are. Effortless presence – no prior to – no before or after – no teacher – no pupil.
Full Stop. Finito.
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The Knowing is always here.
It never appears or disappears.
It cannot be found or lost.(‘who’ could lose or find it?)
There is nothing beyond its embrace.
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Have you worked it out yet? Has seeking ceased to dominate ‘your life’?
All these mind games are entertainment only. The insistence that there is a ‘process’ to ‘self-realization’ is based on belief in time. Mind IS time. The central ‘character’ has no volition and no ability to ‘see or know’ anything at all. The ‘seeker’ is bound to fail. Why? BECAUSE the ‘seeker’ is nothing but the ignoring of ‘that’ which is seeing-knowing.
‘That’ is formless – it NEVER becomes anything – and it NEVER appears in space or time. It is THAT which contains the appearance of space and time.
Many ‘teachers’ spice up the search by throwing baited hooks and in the ‘appearance’ it works very well. At no point in so called time have I heard Bob Adamson ‘claim’ to be ‘special’ or claim to be enlightened.
Listen closely and see that he is merely pointing consistently, with simple directives. He wastes no ‘time’ or ‘effort’ with the usual bullshit that so many ‘teachers’ carry on with. It is odd that so many miss this simple factor. Essence to essence – is the most effective communication – because there is actually NO separation.
The identified consciousness ‘appears’ to avoid the essential message only because it is so potently charged with ‘dissolution’ of all beliefs.
To realize that I have no beliefs whatsoever is liberating beyond description. There is no ‘self’ to be liberated. All ‘work’ on oneself is useless. Riding ‘the forms of belief’ (patterns) do not take you anywhere – except in imagination. Drop them all and SEE. Be.
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non-conceptual awareness, dropping the story and effortless living what more could anyone want.
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Well I am laughing at the 4 thumbs down. I suppose I could have said “what less could no one not want” but that is just stupid. I have heard Bob say many times “What more do ya want?” The point was non-conceptual awareness, dropping the story and effortless living . . well it puts a smile on my face.
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“We continually look in the dualism trying to make the duality
whole.” BOB
It dawned on me that I continuely try to make the duality whole!!! My God there is no duality in nonduality..Duh! No wonder I continue to suffer…it’s like trying to stop the sun from shining… I feel stupid!
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Say “There is no duality in non-duality” and duality is postulated in that very statement.
Speak of duality or of non-duality and it’s opposite appears.
If you are posting to others, this is the dual experience of the Oneness. The water waving to itself, roaring its applause to itself.
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No matter what Parsons says, I think there are levels.
At the Absolute level, there are indeed no persons. At
the relative (conventional) level there are interactive
persons.
If all matter were viewed as formed atoms, on the
atomic level, no persons. On the formation level,
persons interacting.
Form is emptiness, emptiness form.
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You guys are nicking pits; the semantics can get pedantic, as can the concepts behind them! Room for it all. Of course.
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In the open space of seeing, are there any levels to be seen anywhere? ‘Levels’ only appear with conceptualizing them. How can ONE have levels or any kind of separation?
Postulations about levels is all mind stuff. The translation by mind is based on words that were learned. Concepts do not liberate. Concepts are liberated as they disappear. Observe the absence of a ‘witness’ in the pure seeing. That is all that is necessary. Don’t think about it – SEE.
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Every separation implies a line, a definition, a concept.
‘Two’ implies a divisive line.
No lines, no concepts.
“There is NO duality in Non Duality”.
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Just as in the images that are reflected in or on the mirror,there is no actual separation between them.The images only appear to be separate from one another.
Furthermore in of themselves they actually don’t exist without the mirror.The mirror being representative of the seeing/knowing.There is only seeing/knowing.
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so the only difference in the seeing now is that we see thoughts as objects yes?
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essentially everything that we experience(including thoughts and especially the thought of a ‘me’or’self’)can be objectified.the seeing/knowing however, cannot be made into an object,since it is outside or beyond the field of experience.
In other words there is no subject prior to the seeing/knowing.
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The root of all problems is the BELIEVED IN entity. This entity is a thought generated in the mind. It is generated, because the entity is actually believed to exist.
The solution then lies in seeing – the mind cannot believe in something that is seen as false.
Seeing the entity as false – this can be done simply by persuading the mind with logical arguments. False cannot stand to proper investigation.
So I suggest to every so called seeker to persuade the mind. To think about those logical arguments every second and “see” them as often as possible. See mental habits and all the content of the mind from that new perspective. The mind has been brainwashed into believing in an entity, so persuade/brainwash it back with logic. Investigate.
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Bob: “I can’t cause it, I can’t hold on to it…what would be trying to cause it or hold on to it?”
Therefore the pointlessness of pointers. They imply that there is some person who can be a doer. Nothing needs to be done or can be done except by a dream character. All is perfect as is.
Nice new format. Much thought and work must have gone into it. Thanks also for the transcript. Don’t know why it’s needed though. Bob speaks almost as clearly as I do. (inside joke)
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The pointlessness of pointers? What a pointless statement. There is NO point in pretending to KNOW. Mind games are endless for those who pretend to be something other than what they are. There is no point in being pleasant and nice about it. The dream character does nothing whatsoever and to suggest that it does is completely erroneous. Clear pointing is clear pointing, where nothing unnecessary appears. The ‘form’ is empty.
Knowing that cannot ever be a contrived mind game – the mind game is merely content of mind and is NOT the activity of knowing. What knows the content? The eyes are the instrument of seeing. The ears are the instrument of hearing. What is the instrument of knowing?
Whatever the mind comes up with – is not it.
‘Checkmate’.
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Gilbert, what is the relationship of body and mind? Psychologist’s are still trying to figure that out, what’s your say?
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The dream character does do something…. in the dream. Isn’t that obvious? Get out of your own frame of reference for a change.
Formulas, such as ‘drop the witness’, or any formulas, are of no use. Those who read them will remain in their ignorance for many years to come. At best they satisfy the ego, which thinks, “I’ve got it”. Some egojis fool themselves into thinking they can lovelessly pass ‘it’ to others.
The blind leading the blind.
The enlightened original disciples of the Buddha, were unable to enlighten anyone.
‘Descriptions instead of prescriptions’ is more on target.
Bob comes from a place of love. His words are enlightening. Listen to and read him. Can also read Nisargadatta’s later books. You need no more. You can ignore the rest of these egotists who have no business messing with your souls. You don’t need them. You are already perfect Oneness.
I try to give people alternatives to the parroted pap they are fed on a regular basis here. Most prefer the usual because it is comfortable. Oh well. Maybe I shouldn’t continue to cast my pearls to swine. Don’t worry; I’m not calling you pearls.
Good luck. Hope you get well soon.
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1. “This sentence is a thought”.
2. What sees the previous sentence as a thought? SEEING.
3. Thought doesn’t see “this sentence is a thought” as a thought.
FIRST, seeing. THEN, the thought “This sentence is a thought” is a thought.
Thought does NOT see anything.
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Psychology is the study of psyche or mind/body, as I understand it.
Understanding is not in the mind. Understanding is silent, wordless.
Words form according to what has been learned. The mind translates with what has been learned. A new word has to be learned and absorbed into the knowing prior to its use.
The body is awareness – the mind is a word we use to describe this consciousness and conceptualizing etc. There is no mind as such, therefore it cannot be found as an object. There is no relationship because they are not separate. Both are expressions of the ONE.
The THINKING about it is merely thinking about it – yet that is also THAT ONE, in expression.
The living energy that weaves the tissues of the body is the same energy that spontaneously expresses as subtle energy patterns that we call ‘thoughts’, feelings and emotions. A thought cannot separate anything and the mind cannot divide clear awareness – yet it appears to ‘create’ conflict for the identified ‘entity’. WHO is that?
WHO is the mediator?
My directive to witness the disappearance of thought is beyond profoundity. Observe the absence of a witness, is the second section of the directive. It is extremely potent. Yet few, it seems, do it.
This directive cannot fail, so long as the conscious intent is present.
If thinking about it arises, simply witness the disappearance of those thoughts. Repeat this over and over until what needs to be seen is seen.
It CANNOT fail. Observe the absence of a witness.
I can promise you that if you use this directive, it will bring ‘results’ far beyond any expectations you may have.
All philosophical postulations fall away. All psychology falls away in the pure SEEING. The clear space of KNOWING is self-evident.
But it is not something that can be claimed by a ‘person’.
See my website for the directive as it was given.
Some have already sent messages of gratitude, due to this directive.
The ‘result’ is not what ‘you’ may be expecting.
There is no enlightenment and there are no enlightened beings.
There is ONLY this WHOLENESS – totally clear and present – Wakefulness.
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the seeing is never obstructed.it only appears that way due to a conditioned habitual reflex of fixation on an ‘i or me’ thought.it is the most dominant thought and constantly morphing in order to be center stage.a thought none the less,no more significant then any other passing thought.seen in this light its influence is greatly impoverished.no more is it the conceptual giant boulder that seemed to impede the flowing current of consciousness,but a mere pebble that is washed further and further downstream.
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I like how no one has ever defined Seeing, some silly reader might be stuck on vision!
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Test.
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There is actually no one stuck on anything, any-where, any-when or any-how.
The definition is NEVER the ‘thing’ being defined. How can a definition of SEEING ever capture ‘seeing’.
The belief in being the ‘seer’ is the only problem.
When the ‘thinker’ is seen to be only another thought, the old mind is vanquished silently – without incident – for no one.
The ‘seeker’ spends all its ‘time’ claiming ‘stuff’ to bolster its fabricated world of delusion and suffering. Yet it does not even exist.
The SEEING-KNOWING is NEVER compromised by ANY activity – and ALL activites are encompassed in the SEEING-KNOWING.
They ARE the seeing-knowing. There is NO separation. How could it be any other way? WHo divides and separates the ONE?
I will add one controversial statement, just for some added spice.
What a tiger fight it is – wrestling with intellectual cripples – those stuck on their own imaginary ‘point’ of referecne – ME.
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Everything I have ever shared on this ‘subject’ can be tossed away. Stay with this ‘new’ directive. It WILL NOT fail. The ‘seeker’ is nothing but failure, so don’t rely on it. The True Essence that you are is SEEING-KNOWING. It has never been obscured or fragmented.
Everything IS Clear and Obvious right NOW – as it always has been.
Observe the disappearance of whatever it is that stands in the way of this simple revelation. Then the revelation itself fades away – leaving you as you ARE.
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the seeing is continuous,unbroken and complete.it is the all encompassing background from which every experience arises and returns to. nothing can get beyond or surpass this seeing/knowing.
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If people are sending you messages of gratitude for your directives, i.e. pointers, i.e. homilies, then that is a good thing in the appearence.
Your knowledge is being well used. A good use of a life, the helping of apparent others.
When I said nothing can be done except by the dream character, I meant: in the Absolute, nothing happens. In the dream, a dream character named Gilbert is helping a dream character named Mr. X. This is in the duality of helper and helpee. As you know, duality is illusory.
Any comments or corrections appreciated.
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The mind will justify itself as best it can. I am no stranger to hearing some ‘other’ speak the non duality ‘language’. There are some in my proximity who say all the right things but they ring like a Cracked Bell – because it is only the mind repeating ‘mantras’ and when it comes to the crunch, they crumble like an old damp biscuit.
Harboring ‘personal preferences’ and a belief that ‘I got it’ is about as useful as a blunt or toothless saw.
Who can speak of the absolute? What good is such talk?
There is no dream character called Gilbert or Richard.
Give up this game of helping others – help yourself first.
Truly SEE that there is no one here or there. Then all struggle will cease. You may have convinced yourself that you have gone beyond the appearance. No one ever went there. No one ever left there. Competitive behavior belongs to the mind game. let those who play it much better than you do their job. And take a hint from the many thumbs down that ‘you’ get. You will never be able to justify the rejection. Relax and BE what you ARE.
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There is a new FAQ page and a new look. Some were having trouble reading with the dark background and high contrast. This may be a better format.
For those who wish to listen on their iPod, the UGC’s feed to the iTunes store is presently broken, but you can still subscribe and download with iTunes by following the instructions in the FAQ page. The FAQ page link is at the top.
Let us know if you would like other questions/answers added to the FAQ page.
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Thumbs down or thumbs up, do opinions matter to you? Not to me.
I sincerely complimented you by saying your life is beneficial to others and you in turn throw insults my way. Ramana said people who insult you are more of a blessing than those who compliment you….so thanks for the drama.
I won’t try to justify others’ opinions (why should I?) as I place no value in opinions, not even in my own. I’m introverted and just follow my own drummer.
I also won’t participate with you in making this site into an forum for arguing egos. That would be too childish for two greying adults. Don’t you think so? It can be so much better than that.
btw, So far, I haven’t used the voting system here (except by accident, and once I deliberately gave Suki a thumbs up). It’s too much like one of those reality t.v. shows. You know, voting people off the island or something.
Pleease detail the rules. Are the thumbs to indicate we are on topic, or that we don’t agree with another poster’s perspective, or is it some kind of popularity contest, or what?
Gilbert, I like you, think you have a lot to offer, and suggest a truce for the sake of this site. I’m still waiting for the beer you said you’d buy me.
I haven’t contributed to this site because we are on a fixed income and my wife and I donate to several charities which are more of a life and death situation.
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In the spiritual search, it is often called a search for yourself, seeking your true self.
Your true Being isn’t hidden. It isn’t produced or unveiled due to proper seeking. It isn’t found later.
Your true Being is already intimately known, already the most familiar aspect of any and all experience.
Are you presently aware? If you can answer yes, the search is over. If you answer no, then how do you know of the question?
Is awareness an object to find? No. Awareness is known BECAUSE OF the objective content. So ANY and ALL experience reveals your true Self.
Knowing IS Being… THAT is the Peace you’re seeking.
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There is no answer in the mind. It is useful instrument, but it’s content is only a bunch of dead images and past memories. Images have no power. They are merely shadows. When you acknowledge this, you naturally stop looking for the answer in the mind and the ever present truth reveals itself spontaneously.
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Hi Areti, Gibert , listeners and commenters. I haven’t visited the cafe for a couple of months….my, all new decor,…. still the same great service and the coffe is still spot-on.Thanks for your effort every one involved,Luvyaz, Tazzy.
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This is quite the scene here. There is a great amount of material on this blog that is obviously spawned of good intensions. The idea of we is very interesting and poses some fantastic ideas for discussion. The old adages of social relativity seem to be lain by the way side here and a new idea of positive and negative attitudes seems to permeate the trains of thoughts in this arena. Militism seems to be ever present in the discussions about opinion, (my opinion vs. your opinion). Who makes the rules that some of these characters claim to have been broken? Who follows these rules? Why does there need to be rules? Why do characters feel the need to answer these questions? Would there be little to no discussion without these conflicts of morality? The pompous will be pompous, the meek will be meek, the scared pompous who is temporally meek is interesting if the pompous is familiar. ETC. These are big issues in other arenas of thought. thought.
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Richard, Gilbert is trying to help you, and maybe insult the illusory self. But the point is you are trying to argue about things from your gathered knowledge of non-duality, (trying to speak from the absolute) all the while it is irrelevant if you don’t know what you are. That is what he is pointing out, and I saw it before I read his post. That is probably why you are getting a high amount of thumbs down, not that it matters….
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Start with the undeniable fact that you ARE.The fact that you ARE is primary to all experiences.What you ARE is not an experience.YOU(not as an ‘individual’ but the Unconditioned Totality)are the essential medium for all experiences or the context in which they arise and disappear.
Nothing needs to be done,for everything is perfect and complete as IS!
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Scarfox,
Thanks for your input.
You think maybe the thumbs down are because I’m on G.’s turf and telling his followers to choose wisely? To throw away their crutches? They are fine as is!
“Due to ignorance you say that I am a Master and you are an aspirant, but in fact the reality is you!” ~~ Ranjit Maharaj
I’m not a seeker. I am without guile and not trying to fool or impress anyone. I give no lectures, have no blogs, write no spiritual books. I am as I am. For 35 years I have read intensively, seen many teachers, gone on retreats, etc. Yes, I know who I am, both through knowledge and experientially.
Perhaps I come across a bit high-handed, not humble enough, not one of the guys. It’s just my writing style. I’m really quite humble and a heavy introvert. I don’t think I’m better or worse than anyone or have more or less than anyone.
Presently my life is a reclusive and contemplative one. I have no friends where I live, other than my wife. She’s out of town now so I have no one here to tell me of my faults. Thank goodness for Gilbert who fills that gap. But can he cook?
My posts are meant to be helpful, if anyone wants to pick up on them. For example, in Buddhism there is meditation for awakening but along with it moral behavior precepts are taken. Compassion is often emphasized along with wisdom and awakening. Awareness alone is not their ultimate as it seems to be here.
On other sites people have expressed appreciation for my input.
In response to my jokes, which are often there, one person said I was the funniest man on earth. Though I think Robin Williams might disagree.
Here comes the thumbs, here comes the thumbs, but I say, it’s alright. Dah, dah, dah dah, dah.
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“They are fine as is!”, you talk how you read, all I’m saying is I agree with Gilbert, before I even read his post, that you are pretending to know. True compassion can only arise after you know what you are… You claim you know who you are, not what you are. And why would you have to make a claim that you know who or what you are anyway, you already know. What are you on this site for? To help us? Even the picture that was randomly assigned to you screams armchair spiritual guy. I haven’t even read one of your jokes, but who cares if people like your jokes. Does that even out the thumbs down here? I don’t get your point. You’ve been quoting guys like Ranjit for 35 years, I can see right through your words and this body has only been on the planet for 20. Won’t lie though, our egos are clashing aren’t they? But will you admit it, that your still searching?
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The first meeting will be held at the Virtual UGC in Second Life. If you are able to attend, the meeting will be tomorrow at 6 AM Pacific/9 AM Eastern. Meetings will also be held on Tuesdays at 7 PM Pacific/10 PM Eastern. Jason Swanson is leading the meetings for now. Randall Friend drops by occasionally and may again be leading meetings soon. See the Virtual UGC Page for more information at the top of the site.
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Richard says: “Awareness alone is not their ultimate as it seems to be here”. It’s not a matter of choice, there only is Awareness.
The ‘moral behavior precepts’(best laid plans of mice and man) and the actual ‘good’ or ‘bad’ behaviour of ‘others’ is just a superposition ‘on’ this Basic Benevolence that YOU are. Conciously being the Light of Awareness will ‘right’ you in ways you can’t comprehend.
As RUMI says:
“Outside the ideas of right and wrong there is a field. I’ll meet you there”
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this is a message I received today, I wanted to post it here, because maybe some/all of us here are familiar with Ramesh…
It is a message from Wayne Liquorman -
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Dear Friends,
It is with the heaviest of hearts I write to tell you of the passing of our beloved Ramesh this morning at 9AM in his home in Bombay.
Ramesh was truly an extraordinary being. His life as a successful banker, author and spiritual teacher directly enriched the lives of tens of thousands of people.
Having met Ramesh was one of the defining moments of my life, as I am certain it was for many of you reading this note. His generous spirit, open, loving presence and spiritual Understanding combined to make him one of the truly great Sages of the 20th century. We are truly blessed to have known him…be it “in person” or through his Teaching.
Ramesh lives on. Though his body will this afternoon return to the elements, his spirit lives on in his books and in the hearts of all of us who have known him and loved him..
Twenty-two years ago Ramesh came into my life. Today his body leaves it. To have been able to walk beside him for all this time and to have been able to bow at his feet has been for me the greatest of life’s blessings.I shall miss not being able to sit with Ramesh, to watch a cricket match together or to share some chocolate or to laugh at some silly joke he reads from the newspaper. It is not the greatness of the man I will miss most…his greatness remains undiminished by his death…it is the little things, the human things..
Many of you will share with me the exquisite human pain of the loss of a beloved one. If you take a moment to quietly look at it you may see in the pain the wonder of Life itself. If so, it will truly be the Grace of The Guru.
With much love,
Wayne
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Firefox, Maybe you saw what you saw before reading one of my posts because someone else had a few times made such claims about me. If you don’t accept that explanation then, okay, you found me out; let’s move on.
I would rather discuss issues or put the non-conceptual into concepts for discussion. All views are valid. Why make this site divisive? Isn’t the Oneness all-inclusive? Or is this the Advaita Jerry Springer Show?
Tomasz, Very good post. I must agree with you. But this is problematic for me and has been for a while. Why, in the relative, do some of those who are self-realized, go on to act so unconscionably to others? Such bad behavior reflects poorly on their teaching and on their teachers, imo.
But of course, your post is the bottom line on this.
I asked Bob about this in June, as it was on my mind. He said I should not be so concerned about seeming others, but should set a good example for ‘others’ myself. Still working on that one.
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Ramesh’s passing:
I have no sentimental message about this news.
I met Ramesh many years ago. He delivered his message to me during two meetings in Bombay. His message was the closest living message I could find (at that time), closest to Nisargadatta’s.
It made its ‘mark’. A few days later I met Sri Ranjit Maharaj and his message was clear (even though he was obviously ill with respiratory problems).
On the first day at Ramesh’s place I met another Australian ‘seeker’ who told me about Bob Adamson. Months later back in Australia Bob delivered what turned out to be the ‘final blow’. His message is uncompromising and free of Hindu religious terminology etc.
In actuality, throughout it all ‘I was already free’ – I just had not realized it.
There is no death – ONLY LIFE.
The sun APPEARS to go down each day – but the truth is that it NEVER leaves the sky.
The messenger is a messenger. Do not get attached to the messenger, no matter how glorious he or she may appear to be.
At his or her ‘passing’, your attachment will show up as a heavy heart and the aching sensations will only clearly indicate, to yourself and everyone else, the fact that you are still bound into the belief of being a separate ‘self’.
The details of a messengers life are not necessary to know. Hearing the clear message is all that is necessary.
Respect and salutations to all clear messengers.
Those who truly hear the message do not experience heavy hearts.
Those who imagine that they are enlightened beings can imagine all kinds of states of being – none of them real.
May Ramesh’s influence continue to touch many and direct them to their true essence. No guru, including Ramesh, is a God to be worshiped.
To worship another is a subtle trap and the guru who allows such worship is not a clear messenger.
The Sun is Shining – there is only LIFE.
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This is some really impressive stuff here. I have a friend whose dad, Bill travelled the world with the Dali Lama for over a year. now this was back in the eighties when he was not as popular as he is now, but growing up with Bill’s influence around us was very formative to the ideas relating to current feelings that go around in my little part of the world. The idea of having no mind never seemed quite right to me but never the less it was eye opening for me to see such a different point of view from the ones that were present in the other areas of my life. I am unsure about the details of the identity of duality and just what the implications are around it but am certainly compelled to investigate further. Bob’s message seems great from this point of view. My life has been greatly improved since i implemented a dicipline of aetherial problem solving. I look at my problems from a bird’s eye view totally removed from my self in an attempt to see what someone else would think about these problems. I feel that when i listen to Bob’s message that i am no lonlger listening to an individual and that he is giving out the good word from a totally selfless position. Selfishly i find this very cool.
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There is only ONE.
There is NOTHING separate from this ONE.
Who or what can take a stand apart from this ONE to see or do anything?
If there is NOTHING apart from this ONE, what you ARE?
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I was moved to dig out a couple of tapes from my visit to Ramesh’s place in Bombay. I have done a quick edit of one of them and made a program which will appear soon. Thousands visited Ramesh over the years since Nisargadatta’s passing. I had a good meeting with Ramesh and certain salient points were absorbed. The idea spontaneously came, to share some of the recording with everyone.
It seems like a good idea at the moment.
Some will be reminded of their own visit to see him. I never felt any impulse to make him my guru (or anyone else either). I trust many will enjoy his sharing.
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Is a shift in attention sufficient?
Ramesh is in aware deep sleep til further objective realities arise!
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Thank you Areti and Gilbert for doing this, and for all the others who help you to get this show on the air. I have been slowly working through them one by one and loving every minute.
I had been waiting to start commenting until I got all the way through, (for no particular reason), but after hearing this cut while driving home today I simply had to chime in.
I have been working with John Sherman as my atma vichara coach for the last three years with a lot of dropping into non-dual awareness and a good deal of stabilization there. My thoughts, lately have become exceptionally absent and that has been a peaceful blessing.
When “Bob” said, “seemingly remembering it, and forgetting it, is it also” I was literally blown away. I burst into laughter (and luckily did not have an accident in the stop and go traffic) and it sank through. The separate entity is gone.
Just thought you would like to know. Please, please, please keep up the very good work!
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