69. Randall Friend – Undefineable – Part 2
We are back packing a punch – remember that memory and anticipation do not actually obscure clear and present awareness. What value does a ‘pointer’ have? The offering of clear pointers (and the recognition of our true nature) is priceless.
In the appearance of space and time, in program number 69, Areti continues to explore Randall’s unique expression on what Non Duality is, ‘as if’ it could be defined.
Randall’s blog is You Are Dreaming. His book is You Are No-Thing from Non-Duality Press. Randall holds talks in Second Life on Tuesdays. See the Virtual UGC page for more information.
Music includes: Rivertribe (Australian Band) Radiohead, Sandy Denny with Fairport Convention, Cat Empire Project, China Crisis, Paul Brady, Judy Collins and Manfred Mann.
This free podcast site does not ask you for anything. Belief is not necessary – see for yourself – small donations help to cover costs – What value does a ‘pointer’ have? Offering clear pointers to absolute strangers without asking for anything is self-less-ness in action. Compassion expresses itself through pointers and the recognition of our true nature is priceless.
Warm regards – from the Team.
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Thanks for giving us all ‘another hit’. Baja is arising as well as effortless living. What more could ‘anyone’ want or need!!!!
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Wow this has been the best sounding program ever, aesthetically pleasing. Good job at the urban guru cafe.
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America has over 250 million – where is the evidence of direct pointing on the net?
Apart from a few who have been in touch with Bob Adamson, there is little direct pointing happening. We at the UGC have sort to find those who speak cleanly and directly – those who point directly at your true nature. Having this gathering of speakers is quite unique.
There are teachers around who repeat the mantra like ‘teaching’ like “You are not the Doer” and how boring those meetings must be.
Self-proclaimed enlightened beings who say “My teacher told me to teach” as if that was a prerequisite for them to open their mouths and speak this ’stuff’. How pretentious it all can appear to be.
The point is: Are YOU pretending to be what you are NOT?
An answer from a reactive mind will be highly suspect.
‘We’ are here to deliver a simple message and the message is bound to ruffle some feathers – not because it is designed to disturb anyone.
The belief system must be put aside simply because any belief is NOT the actual.
Knowing that is NOT a belief.
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«This is so easy to SEE and KNOW – yet everyone misses it – why? Because they believe that there is a person there doing the seeing or knowing. That reference point ‘creates’ the sense of separation, the sense of me.
Both ‘object’ and ’subject’ are simply the ends of ONE STICK.
The mind flips between the ends of this stick, back and forth – and so it does not realize the unchanging pristine, clear nature of empty mind. What is actually ‘no problem’ is ignored by a preference for the conflict that arises between reference points in the mind – which ‘create’ problems. WHO has those problems?
It has to be the ME. The owner of it all is a fiction – but SEE how such information is resisted with great gusto by almost everyone. Brave is he who points out such information – Ha.» (G.S.)
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There is no reaching nonduality or Oneness or whatever label you like. Reaching assumes “partness” – a small part wants or needs to reach Oneness. Seeking also assumes “partness”. Both bondage and Enlightenment assumes “partness”.
Without the first label or concept – what IS, is reality. Just WHAT IS. And WHERE is WHAT IS? How can we find WHAT IS? How can we reach WHAT IS? How can WHAT IS be described? Defined?
The instant WHAT IS is described, it’s “partness”. To attempt to describe or define is impossible without applying “partness”. Do you follow?
So just take a look at WHAT IS, right here and now. No labels at all. No words. Just WHAT IS. All the words are meaningless, inert, absent. Just THIS.
Now describe WHAT IS. “Well there is a lamp”. BOOM – duality is born. “Partness” or “thingness” is born. WHAT IS is now composed of separate things, individual things, things which contain their own stand-alone existence. Yes? And the existence of that lamp presupposes the existence of the Universe itself, which holds the earth, holding the house, the room, and the desk upon which the lamp sits. It also assumes the “seer” of the lamp – the object “lamp” – the “seen”.
Notice with honesty that it’s MIND which creates this – it’s MIND in which this false reality is generated – habitually – automatically. That reality of “partness” is entirely a creation of MIND. We call that imagination.
And MIND is itself another assumption of “partness”. MIND cannot stand alone. MIND requires head, body, person, and world. So MIND also is just a creation of this “process” – this activity of conceptualization, imagination.
So we really cannot place a separate individual anywhere in direct experience. We cannot find a person in direct experience anywhere. Anything which can be pointed to as “person” is either a bodily sensation or a thought. That “ME” is a mental construct.
The ME is not seeing. The ME is an appearance IN the seeing. And the SEEING – IS – WHAT IS.
You are only ever fooling yourself, with these beliefs, with these projections of duality where there is none. You are all that IS. You ARE WHAT IS. Investigate – watch “MIND” – notice this “partness” being applied – notice how it creates a false reality, just as the mind issues the status of “reality” to the mirage until it’s investigated.
There truly is nowhere to go and nothing to get. You already ARE that nondual reality, that one essence, right here and now. Stop projecting duality (see what duality is) and the veil falls away on it’s own, naturally. Then nothing was gained – it only becomes obvious that YOU ARE THAT.
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“That reality of “partness” is entirely a creation of MIND.”
Randall,
This is a thought pattern that I have investigated: ‘other people’ in the appearance might say or do something- then thoughts arise and start labeling, judging and forming opinions and attach stories about what they just said or did- At this point it is either recognized that “hey, these are just thoughts that don’t do anything” and i move on seeing, touching, hearing etc… OR these thoughts are followed and believed AS MY THOUGHTS which pertain to a separate ‘me’- then this perspective is completely immersed in duality and subject to all of the inherit problems being a separate self.
So this is “partness” which is entirely created in thoughts, all of it, correct?
I’m not just referring to thoughts but also the whole darn thing including ‘other people’ correct? Because ‘other people’ are part of the appearance, which is an experience, which is sensations and thoughts arising in awareness, correct?
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Joe,
Yes. The entirety of “other people” is still that application of “partness”. So is “joe”.
love to you
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YES, because ‘joe’(the thoughts that make-up a joe) are appearing to ME! HA HA HA this is too funny really….
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Randall will no doubt answer your questions. The title of Bob Adamson’s most recent book answers all the questions briefly and accurately: “One Essence, expressing and appearing AS Everything”.
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“One Essence, expressing and appearing AS Everything”.
This one sentence sums up the message brilliantly, nothing is left out!
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«Everything registers cleanly and without hindrance.
The impressions of life register without distortion in this undeviating immediacy.
Discriminating mind is bi-polar.
Locked into its own discriminations it can only swing back and forth like a pendulum.
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Right and wrong are in opposition to each other and the struggle between good and bad appears to be eternal.
The middle ground where the two can meet on equal ground is called neutral ground.
The impartiality of pure seeing and pure knowing is neutral. It has no favour for either right or wrong.
How can a ‘person’ get to that neutral ground? How can a ‘person’ resolve its problems and its numerous ‘opposing forces’? Me against the world syndrome is a common ‘feeling’.
Well, the person can’t be neutral because to be neutral means that there is no bias. The person is nothing but bias.
Some chap called Jesus said, “Love your enemy”.
Since everything is an appearance in the pure registration (cognition) then the enemy, along with everything else, must be within (that).
Energy is neither positive nor negative. No one has ever seen energy. The Display that we call the Universe is simple One Energy (Essence) – One Heart Pulsing. Out of that Pulse every pattern that we perceive or see is manifested (appears).
“None shall come near thy dwelling place” (Old Testament).
Where is the seeing happening?
If you sit with that question with complete openness and allow a natural investigation to take place – then it is truly enough.
The only ‘thing’ that can divert you away from the revelation is something we commonly call ‘me’ or self-centeredness.
This is why it is suggested over and over – investigate that ‘me’.» (G. S.)
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Seeing happens in the heart.
The light of consciousness shines through the mind.
The ‘I’ dissolves.
The energy invested in the ‘I’ drops into the heart.
Heart expands in love without boundaries.
All is seen as ONE Love.
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Richard, your comment is a cheap shot and you know it. Stop pontificating and preaching. Soliciting emotional responses might be the way you get your kicks but please do it in your own home in private. What you call reality is only imagination. I would be very surprised if you have actually been outside the city block, let alone the state you live in. If you are actually, by some miracle, in Haiti and you somehow get to read this comment – then shame on you, you self-indulging creep. If you are actually at home and never left, then the same applies. What a creep you are. At least you have been told.
Happy now? Now Bugger OFF.
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Be the hands of Love Richard. Help!
Love in Action.
Who might have thought that it will come so quick – Richard Lion Hearted.
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Reality is not appearance. Investigate that. Find out what that means. We take appearance to be absolute reality. Is it?
Is a rock solid? Do you recall 5th grade science class where the nature of that apparent solid substance was seen to be empty space, only seemingly solid due to the particular behavior of the electron? Should it move faster, the “matter” would be less solid, maybe a liquid, maybe a gas. Yes? Therefore the solidity of a rock is only an appearance.
Similarly the color of the rock is appearance – where does that color exist? Does the rock inherently contain that color? Is that color a property OF the rock? Or is it a property of mind?
Investigate the same with the shape and size of the rock. Is that shape and size inherent in the rock? Or only in the translation of mind? Only in the relative? Is reality relative? Is a relative appearance THE reality?
So shape, size, color, solidity – these are entirely relative attributes, not actually properties of the “thing” itself but only applied properties in mind. And what is there of any known “thing” except these properties? What else is there that you know about any “thing”? Even a concept about that “thing” is also an arising in mind. Is there anything else you know, ever, about anything?
Look around – you are only looking at “Mind” itself. Every single BIT of your knowledge about the WORLD and YOUR SELF in relation to it, is imagination. There is no “outside” world. The idea of an “outside” world is also only an idea arising in “Mind” alone. The idea of an “outside” world requires the projection of these properties upon a supposed external reality, a reality apart and separate from YOU.
There is this one knowing presence – that presence or essence appears as “everything”. Yet it can only be TAKEN as “everything” in taking this “appearance” to be a separate reality. An “outside” world. Apart from YOU. It is not.
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The appearance is one appearance. It is One in Essence but It is not what it appears to be.
In Essence it is reality – One Reality – One Essence – One Appearance.
NO Separation. You are THAT.
The world appears – where?
Where does the world appear?
Out there as ‘not I’ separate from this ‘I’ here? Separation means, in effect, vulnerability. But for whom?
By taking yourself to be a limited creature in the world you not only miss what is being pointed out – you suffer unnecessarily.
Psychological suffering is unnecessary. That is not merely said for the fun of it.
It is NOT necessary and it can fall away in an instant but the resistance to investigating the ’cause’ of the sense of me, the sense of separation, is the ‘me’ – and so not much transpires, except for the repetition of the same old patterns of belief, which constitute the ‘walls’ of the prison, the bondage of self.
Now get this: It is NOT REAL.
Everything is actually PERFECT just AS IT IS – even those apparent squirming investments of belief are perfect just as they are.
It cannot BE any other way.
The POINT is, there is NO ME. It is ALL an appearance – just as everything is an appearance. It has NO substance or independent nature that can be separate from the Pure Cognition that it ALL appears IN.
The ME is a fiction, supported ONLY by BELIEF. BELIEF IS NOT THE ACTUAL.
IS this getting through? Damn well should be. 69 Programs of the basic message, presented in ever fresh ways – what for?
So you can come up with some more questions?
The ME is a fiction. Take away the belief and the whole drama folds in upon itself.
DO YOU GET WHAT I AM POINTING OUT?
There is no person. Not anywhere. No Jesus. No Buddha. No Mr. Twinkle Toes. NO PERSON. NO YOU.
There is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. And no one to run and no one to hide.
Game over. Score: NIL.
All that is ‘perceived’ is ‘the appearance’.
It is One appearance. Where does it ‘come from’? Out of emptiness. Where does it go? Back into emptiness.
What is phenomena? What is the difference between perceiving and seeing? Do you know?
No but you know all about the horrors on the TV News – and what good is that?
We name phenomena as seemingly separate ’sensations’, object or things.
The body is an appearance – full of sensations – it is all appearance. What do the sensations register on? Find out.
It appears that everything is created and destroyed in space and time.
Where does the space appear?
Where is the flow of time appearing?
It is all mind.
The only way out of the mind is NO MIND.
The true nature of mind is clear and empty. Know it to be true by stopping the mind and SEE. KNOW.
Where the pure seeing is ‘happening’ there is nothing ‘happening’ whatsoever.
That is totally clear and obvious but ‘we’ don’t notice it because it is NO THING and ‘we’ are engrossed with ‘things’.
What if it is all empty, truly empty – just appearance? Find out. No one can do it for you.
There is no entity in that clear space-like awareness. If this is true, would it not free you from all bondage? Find out.
No one can do it for you.
Recognize that nothing touches what you truly are.
What is being pointed out is not some psychological trick for smart individuals.
In fact the smart individuals with degrees in this and that have the most trouble – because their ‘knowledge’ is a burden which stops them from seeing what is clearly obvious.
Basically the minds job is to translate, that is what it does.
What is translated is not reality…….it is a representation, an image or an explanation – it is all appearance.
Naked Seeing – naked knowing is already ‘happening’ – the apparent ‘problem’ is that seeing-knowing is not a ‘happening’ because seeing-knowing is NOT Phenomena.
‘We’ take phenomena to be reality and it is only appearance.
One Essence expresses and appears AS Everything.
If you indulge in the tragedy that appears then you will suffer.
It is not a matter of disassociation.
It is simply knowing what is real and to know what is real you must be real.
Psychodrama is not the way to go.
What you truly are is not attached to any ‘thing’.
Maybe this is why Nisargadatta says: “You are not the body nor the mind”. Find out for yourself – there is no other way.
Remember this: 99.9999% of the world is steeped in belief in phenomena. This why the direct pointing rubs up the wrong way for just about everyone – it grates on the believed in sense of control – ‘me’.
What everyone misses is that whatever grates on the sense of me is a gift which POINTS directly at the limiting factor – the imaginary ‘me’. It invites the attention to see what it is – but instead of examining it, it is believed to be what I am – and so I am offended or whatever.
How many times this is pointed out over and over? – and it is sidelined by just about everyone.
There is NO point in pretending to KNOW.
You ARE this Knowing.
Why trade the pure knowing that you ARE for mere belief in conceptual nonsense, second hand knowledge, opinions and hear say?
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My sad story…sniff..
Awhile ago a coyote ate my cat
Whenever i thought of that cat i’d feel sad
Then having read about non-duality i decided thought is the problem
Thought is just a sketchy model of reality etc…
So i’d just ditch the unpleasant thoughts
It does work to some degree, using concept strategies to feel better
I had to keep it up because some shitty feeling could pop in at any time
These were very profound concepts, i believe they are true, they seemed effective
Maybe when they sunk in enough i’d see whats really going on?
I think this is religion, try to improve the concepts,beliefs
Non-duality, this is so cool, this is the best concept ever
I was trying to think my way out of thinking, out of the limitation
The lovely insanity of this occurred to me
It wasn’t more thought
A bucket of water on a fire
Q- What is left when thinking fails?
Can’t say , its a trick question : )
Intelligence maybe
Yea Jackson!
Hooray for Gilbert’s balls!
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Please leave my balls out of it. Thank you. As my Grandma would say: “A place for everything and everything is its place”.
In the appearance, the story goes that dear old gran’ actually chose my name, Gilbert. I did consider changing my name to Smooji but someone already has that name. What about Papabearji or Goldiesmacks? or maybe Sri Sri Kickyouinthebumji.
Actually someone wrote to me yesterday after having a break through. For decades they were under the illusion that the ‘teacher’ should fit into some mold, be nice and loving all the time and never express negative emotions etc. Having been kicked in the ego many times by my writings and witnessing violent reactions in themselves – THEN a recognitions pops up unexpectedly – whatever the insight was.
So, after many abusive emails to me about ‘my methods’ out of the blue comes a sincere apology and a big ‘thank you’.
The thing is there is no need to change anything at all – just SEE for yourself. Cool, clear and pristine understanding is NOT in the mind.
It is prior to mind – prior to consciousness.
There is No Way out (or in) – because what you truly ARE was never in or out of it.
It is ALL appearance Only.
Love it or hate it – the Core of it all is Pure Cognition.
The intelligence that you already are just needs a little nudge (it seems) – “Hey, Stop believing – find out what you are”.
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Thank you Gilbert for relentlessly smashing our stubborn heads together. In the dizzyness, something seems less.. or more. I really cant say. Thanks anyway.
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The English are so polite and kind, the French petite and tart.
The Yanks are good at selling stuff and sometimes even smart.
The Italians are just Mommies boys stuffed with tom’s and pasta.
Greek Socrates with funny knees debates the ins and outta.
But the Ozzie Bloke pulls out a blade without a hint of strife – he smiles and glows with shining teeth and says: “Now that’s a knife”.
(That is Gilbert’s ‘itty bitty ditty’ for the day)
Here is Ozzi land (Australia) we have a brilliant cartoonist by the name of Michael Leunig.
Here is one of his gems – a poem.
“Birds”
Birds get high on feathers
and it is said quite rightly..so
To break their earthly tethers
They must take themselves quite lightly..so
let us now give thanks for birds
and Bless their angel wings
And praise the way they drop their turds
On commoners and Kings.
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Evidence is coming in every day that insights are happening all over the place. Gratitude is expressed for this site and the pointers.
Of course all ‘events’ are an appearance – the ‘insight’ appears to be a transient ‘happening’ yet the essence of all insights is this SEEING-KNOWING, which is always Present (Presence).
The frequency of these insights is like a field of poppies, all unique unto themselves, opening to the light that shines from beyond all things. Joyous expression, subtle and yet quite ordinary.
This light is the light by which you SEE and KNOW.
It is undeviating – like the Sun in the Empty Sky.
No cloud can obscure it or even approach it.
Even the dark shadows of the mind could not be known if this light was truly absent.
What a miracle of miracles.
I AM.
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It’s THIS, and nothing else…
Ever, ever THIS.
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Gilbert I am tired of your aggression and self righteousness to go after people in the name of some believe you incorporated into your mind of clear pointing. Maybe you heard it long enough to believe it in your mind true, but I can not see in your behavior the qualities of enlightened being. I see lack of love and lack of self love.
There is a deep compassion arising for when love sees one of ‘evrything’ steering from self love it knows that for that one the path to self realization is longer. Love your self Gilbert and do not try to be someone else.
Randal. Reality is appearance too . Based on the Truth that ONe essence expresses as everything. Denying Everything is nihilism. Listen to what Jeff Foster said about it in the program.
Ronna for God’s sake Stop and see!
Than your own intelligence will arise.
Susan. Thank you for bringing your point. ‘Appearance in the mind’ is one thing and what happened in Haiti is real solid fact.
It is better not to make judgments ‘in the mind’ if it is good or bad what happened there for it is ‘only judgment in the mind’.
When the mind is seen through the intelligence arises in the moment as how to respond. There is no good or bad response. Some may respond by donation, some may not even notice, some may fly to help, there is no so called one answer. Whatever arises for the peron is ok.
For me personally what arose was Silence. Just Silence. Holding Haiti in Silence.
Love and Compassion are natural. When you see a bird with a broken wing your heart will naturally pure love and the action to help will arise. Enlightened people have the capacity to be limitless compassion. Isn’t it wonderful. Limitless compassion and love no matter what is happening.
Now for Richard this is his test of love and companion he was talking about just before he left. He landed in the place where only strong and brave and loving heart can do something to help for that heart is fearless. I hope he is meeting his test with a brave heart. I wish him all the best in this heart breaking situation. Not to be overwhelmed by pain and chaos and act with a clear mind. Probably non of us will see such a tragedy with our own eyes. Feel it, smell it, touch it for that reason we will never understand Richard what you went through and yet only a deep humility will surrender the judgment of it all to the outworking of the ONE ESSENCE appearing as EVERYTHING.
Thank you
Ewa
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Wow you sure have a lot of advice as to what others need to do! How about getting that splinter out of your own eye first and maybe others might listen to your unsolicted advice, although probably not on this site.
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You are a witness to the appearance of apparent ‘events’.
Some events are perceived as beautiful and creative, and some as negative and destructive. How ‘you’ respond is not by some choosing.
The response happens. Then it may be judged as good or bad.
Conflict happens between various reference points in mind. Dis-ease.
If you think that I am going after people, then you are mistaken.
It is known here that there are no such things as ‘people’.
I doubt if that makes much sense to you – but there it is.
You obviously still take yourself to be a ‘person’.
Investigate that ‘person’ and SEE if it truly has any substance at all.
I am not a goody goody two shoes like Jeff. I am here to stir you up to the point of exhaustion and golly gosh don’t I do a good job of it.
On a practical note: If dear Richard is actually in Haiti, then my point is, what the hell is he doing making comments on this site?
If he is there to help, then bloody well help. Don’t waste time lecturing the readers here about the uselessness of soothing concepts and theories AS IF he now knows better, simply because the rawness of life and death is in his face.
There are thousands upon thousands appearing in this world, appearing to be in situations far from what you or I would call comfortable.
How much of it actually touches you? Really and truly touches you? Or is it all just a transient ’shock’ feeding your negative emotions and contradicting how you think Life should be?
LIFE is ALL INCLUSIVE. Maybe two hundred people died in the city you live in last night. Were you upset about any of that?
You see some Newscast with graphic images and you probably sit in horror.
What about the millions of babies that were born today – where is the joy of that while you focus on a particular disaster?
The real terror of your situation is that you believe in being a separate entity and that scares you far more frequently than the ‘events’ in some apparent distant place. I am sure you have no quarrel with my right of reply – however right now you may be wishing you had not opened this can of worms. Relax, it is only words. And no one ever died from words or thoughts.
Whatever stirs you up, whatever pisses you off is actually revealing that ‘me’ and every moment is an opportunity to SEE that it is not real. IT IS NOT REAL. It is an appearance only.
Now there may be some disturbed feelings appearing, maybe a knot in the stomach – investigate it. It is all psychological suffering and as it is pointed out many times – it is unnecessary. IT IS UNNECESSARY.
You can attack me as much as you like but I will match every attack.
It is all in your mind and nowhere else.
Whatever expresses itself in the moment is perfect and it could not be any other way. The point is that there is NO ENTITY anywhere.
When you truly see that, the drama slides away – life goes on in exactly the same ‘way’ – it is all appearance.
One ESSENCE is indestructible and it expresses itself – ever fresh in each unique moment of existence.
The Ultimate Truth is: NO HARM DONE.
It is ONLY a me that can suffer….AND……the me does not exist.
P.S. You are sick of me and I am sick of those who go on about unconditional love…….and then add that Gilbert is outside of that love.
I say you can stick your ‘unconditional love’ where the monkey sticks his nuts.
And if you don’t like what you find here, then don’t come here – simple.
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«”Why, Why, why, Delilah?” as Tom Jones said, but I always thought “Why not?”» (G.B.)
«The Ultimate Truth is: NO HARM DONE.
It is ONLY a me that can suffer… AND… the me does not exist.» (G.S.)
This is IT. WHATEVER it is.
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What a joke Gilbert hahaha
What a joke, I just can’t stop laughing, what a play
You make me laugh Gilbert, thank you
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and I do not know why Richard posted, maybe he needed support…
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ah, and take what resonates and leave the rest
love
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I am not a magician or a nasty creature or a fallen angel.
Lovely clean messages from squeaky clean ‘teachers’ about Non Duality are quite common.
Sacred Texts are to be found easily and some of them are exceptionally beautiful. There are some who make a career out of shooting down the reputations of gurus (Guruphiliac for instance) and heaven knows some of them sure look like they need to be taken down a peg or two.
I am sure that there are a great number of readers, reading these notes and the comments are a keen feature of this site. It does attract a lot of attention simply because No One Else is kicking ass like ‘we’ do. Even though many readers may get upset and decide that I am a total bastard, I am not concerned one iota. it is not all about me anyway – I am just a bonus feature – free of charge.
The Bullshit about Spirituality has been around with its strong hold long enough. That is what I say – and I say it loudly.
Since this site started there have been umpteen visitors who have experienced a ‘break though’, some after 30-40 years of seeking.
They have been under the influence of that Bullshit and the relief that is experienced when it is all revealed to be nonsense is a wondrous release. Like a burden falling off your back. One feels light and full of light.
Even the energy of the body feels fluid and illuminating – shining out of this flesh and lighting the world.
It pours out of your eyes like the rays of a joyous dawn. And everything is seen to be WITHIN your own true nature – wonder of wonders.
One recognizes that THIS MOMENT has NEVER happened before. It will never happen again AND it is NOT conditioned by the past.
To remain in the judgmental attitude of the egoic mind, when it is completely unnecessary, is not what you are here for.
Realize your true nature. What else is worth your efforts?
All efforts to save the world fail because it is already perfect just as it is. And there is no entity that can DO anything about the world or nature.
Animals do not resist nature – they are nature and they express it naturally. It is INTELLIGENCE in ACTION.
‘Man’ has the ability to create a ’self-image’ and that IMAGE resists nature – and ‘he’ even tries to dominate nature and turn a profit from nature. All profits for the ME. The IMAGE can be seemingly positive or seemingly negative or a mixture of both – but it is ONLY an Image – It is an Appearance Only.
Whatever your opinion, you the reader, of this site – there is something going on here and it is not the seduction of seekers into more and more BELIEFS.
BELIEF is NOT the ACTUAL.
Millions of dollars are donated to disasters – we hear stories of corruption and waste of supplies, looting and robbery.
Getting this clear message out there receives a dribble of donations from those who actually appreciate what is being offered.
It could not be any other way.
SEEKERS want the truth but they don’t want to give up the main cause of their seeking. The BELIEF in a ME – a me that does NOT exist.
Rest in Peace.
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I wonder if this site will win a prize for Best Entertainment Non Duality Site? Damn well should. I get such a kick out of it.
I get messages quite regularly saying “I just laugh my head off” etc.
The funny thing is that I am nothing like the ominous image that appears here sometimes.
I am actually quite a cuddly and loving being. Sometimes when I meet people who know about this site, they give me such a strange look and keep their distance, as if I might bite their heads off without notice.
Ha. You know what the best thing is? I don’t have any seekers hanging around trying to rub shoulders with me. What a relief – creepy seekers with their sniveling and groveling ways. Creepy Creatures.
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Yes, it isn’t assimilating a new set of beliefs. It is the complete collapse of all beliefs. Where does that leave “you”?
Can that “me” stand for one second without a supporting belief?
What is reality without any parallel beliefs?
The situation, right this moment, is what? Me – seeing – world? That little sentence structure, which is your foundation of reality, is entirely belief.
The SEEING isn’t a belief. It isn’t conceptual. You don’t need a belief at all to recognize that seeing is happening. Yet it requires a belief to “contain” that seeing to a body, to a person. It requires a belief to say there is an objective “world” seen.
Belief and imagination are the same.
Notice that anything “seen” is appearance – objective – experience. And notice that the “seeing” is awareness – subjective – experienc-ING.
Then notice that awareness and experience are really two words for the same reality. The same singular reality. The same “happening” – the same IS-ness. Just this.
The instant there is an attempt to capture it in words, concepts, beliefs – it’s already false. And there is no need to do so. You already ARE that nondual reality. Seeking it assumes otherwise. The first step in seeking it is one step too far.
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If any Teacher is worth his or her salt, their entire focus and emphasis will be on the message and not the messenger. This has repeatedly and consistently been shown to be the case on this site. Take delivery of the message and be on your way!
If the message is understood, then naturally gratitude may arise, and this is of course, expressed uniquely for each ‘individual’.
Note: Not everybody who receives the message and understands clearly, will in turn be able to effectively communicate it to ‘others’!
Nor is it necessary, it is enough to know that the ineffable Essence that is pointed to, is what YOU truly ARE.
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The seeker can’t cope with seeking and it certainly can’t cope with finding. It is ONLY a ME that can be offended.
The ME does not exist.
The ones who make the most fuss about my unusual ’style’ are a prime example of the blockage to seeing and knowing what is being pointed out. Unwittingly they demonstrate most clearly some ‘things’ that would otherwise stay under the carpet. Unfortunately for them, they don’t see their own foolishness because they get caught up in the net that I toss their way.
Jesus said; “Be a fisher of men”. He did not specify what kind of net.
“My cup (Basket) runneth over”.
I will be quiet now – since you poor little seekers and pretending finders are getting all over heated over nothing.
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You can’t stay quiet!
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Seeking is a given while the separate self is believed in. When such a belief is absent, there is effortless peace and natural, unobstructed being. Regardless of if there is belief in a “me” or not, there is no seeker, no ego, nothing apart from what is and no description can encapsulate that.
Every role is played perfectly. No one fuddles their lines or speaks out of turn. Only when a separate self is believed in, can we seemingly judge “someone” or thier actions “good” or “bad”. Such labeling is also only an arising of source, like every other appearance.
Thought based ideas of right and wrong are truly without any merit. If one looks at history, the “ones” who have done the most damage usually totally believe in their rightness.
Peace and love.
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“Bondage is when the mind longs for something, grieves about
something, rejects something, holds on to something, is pleased
about something or displeased about something.”
- Ashtavakra Gita
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“Having heard the Truth, the dull-witted person becomes even more confused, while an extremely intelligent man withdraws within himself to such an extent that he appears to others as being dull-witted”
Ashtavakra Gita
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Is anything actually happening? Every experience is inferred or translated by thought. The ‘mind’ is only as current as the currently presiding thought. No thought ever appeared in the past or future, interestingly the past and the future are conceptual constructs of thought. Can a thought which Never appeared in the past or future, actually EXIST in the present? Is there a Present? The validity of experience becomes immediately suspect……….it could be said that Nothing is happening?
There is only the certainty of Being No-ThingNess.
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I think I may have learned a way to tell if a teacher is worth reading or listening to.
Trying to be a big fish in such a small pond is stupid, someone with any wisdom wouldn’t waste there time.
Bob is a humble man he knows that this is about attraction not promotion, you can tell who the phony’s are because they put so much effort in getting there names and faces out there, for them its about being a personality, Not just Sharing A message with those who are interested in hearing it.
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Looks that way Wally. Everything is THAT, no matter how it appears.
There is no one to be humble or proud. it all APPEARS to BE.
As Bob expressed it so concisely: “ONE Essence expressing and appearing AS everything”.
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Thinking happens. In the thinking it appears that I want to write a book (a manuscript). Not a book about Non duality. Just a book about nothing and everything, a funny book, that is sad in places, a book that has no meaning and yet somehow it does. A book that touches the deepest recesses of the mind and yet does not touch you at all. A book that has you in fits of laughter and leaves you refreshed with open eyes.. The randomness if it will reflect the unknown nature of a day as it unfolds. it will keep you in suspense and yet provide no anxiety or sense of anything to be afraid of. A book that can be popular and so popular that many folk on the same train going to work and they are all spontaneously laughing and giggling while reading the same book (different copies of course). The laughter will not be threatening to the other non readers and so the laughter will spread naturally and so everyone on the train (except Mr Grump) arrives at work with a smile on their face, many knowing why and many others not knowing why, because they don’t have the book as yet. But they go get a copy at lunchtime, because the caught a glimpse of the title many times and they suspect that it may jsut be worth getting a copy.
I think I will call it “The story turns on a word”.
I may ask you to help me write it. You provide a word now and then, as you read the current manuscript.
To make this work I will publish the story on a blog as we go. As we go along the story turns on a word. The ’supplied single words’ are highlighted throughout the book.
Anyone who read “The Confederate General at Big Sur” by Richard Brautigan, (back in the 70’s) will know what I am talking about.
Richard had a talent for writing. He was not the greatest of writers but at that time, the stiff world of ‘conservative control’ in society was crumbling and a new generation was experimenting with everything. The Old Ways were dull and constricted. The New ways were unknown, etc.
Well, enough of this dribble. I just thought it was time for something to say, something to say about nothing much. Something light and easy. I hope this has note has been of some interest.
No one offended and no one harmed or upset by the turn of a word.
Warmest Regards – Gilbert.
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All identifications and descriptions are false – the instant we attempt to describe anything there is automatically a false projection of reality applied.
The individual is false – the world is false.
Awareness is false – experience is false.
Subject is false – object is false.
What remains?
You. Just YOU. See for yourself.
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And not being able to find that YOU, it leaves this presence naked, just as it always has been.
The label is just a label.
Presence is all inclusive, including all labels. (Omni-presence)
Words or labels do not have any independent existence.
What knows this – or anything?
There is no mystery, no secret – It is always simple – and the recognition is simplicity itself – naked awareness.
NOTE: To all comment makers. We have a whole bunch of new visitors to this site in recent days.
Let’s keep things civilized. We don’t want to scare off too many newcomers or else they will miss an opportunity to ‘hear’ what is on offer.
Of course the programs themselves are clean enough. I know that some think that I am the main offender when it comes to ‘inappropriate comments’ and I will make every effort to stay on track. We have lost some comment makers because they couldn’t stop from taking things personally and so retaliate vehemently in colorful language addressed to me. My mother said I was naughty and maybe she was right. Yet I get a lot of emails telling me not to stop because they love it and they get such a good laugh out of it all. And we need a certain amount of entertainment – or else it can get very dry and just like so many other Non Duality sites.
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Dear Friends, I would like to get, if I may, some clarification about the concepts that Bob Adamson uses: “I thought”, “I am”, “beingness”.
what is the differences, if any, between those three?
thank you all very much for a wonderfull and illuminating site.
lanir
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«Never is there a moment when reality is divided.
What are the implications of that? It means that the entire paradigm of “me seeking enlightenment” falls away as false from the very beginning, simply because reality was never divided as this idea seems to indicate. It means that the very idea of the individual who seeks and later finds something in spirituality was itself the issue or obscuration of that nondual reality which IS.
There is never a moment when you are not in full knowledge and realization of your Self. And that Self IS the nondual reality.» (Randall Friend)
‘Beeingness’ is this Non Conceptual, Non Dual Reality.
Everything else is conceptual.
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Gilbert writes:
“One recognizes that THIS MOMENT has NEVER happened before. It will never happen again AND it is NOT conditioned by the past.”
So nothing in the past touches this moment!
I’m looking at ‘this moment’ just the same as Gilbert, Randall and all of the other ‘pointer people’ yet it is completely tainted by thoughts appearing.
…and right now the mind is trying to imagine what it would be like seeing that “this moment is not conditioned by the past”- Yet it must be seen right now, but thoughts label so quickly.
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The mind is time.
Awareness is time-less.
‘This moment’ implies ‘time’.
Where are you seeing from?
‘You seeing’ implies that someone is seeing from a place?
The Pointer invites ‘one’ to examine ’something’.
In the clarity of seeing ‘one’ is revealed to be beyond time and space.
No Thing.
What you truly are is not tainted by any thing.
You take your self to be a thing which is touched by every other thing.
What you seek….you are already looking out of it……and it is not an it and you are not an object.
There is NO answer in the mind. The mind is time.
The mind will unfold as endless answers and endless questions.
STOP.
SEE.
KNOW.
Enough.
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Here is something that was very helpful to me, and it may be of some use to you. All thoughts and ideas are Here and Now within This Awareness, they cannot happen outside of This—positive thoughts or negative thoughts, or thoughts of the past or the future all exist because Awareness is ‘being them’ –There is no other here, no other thinker—If there is any thinking going on, it ‘belongs to’ Awareness, no other– Its just that “we” who believe we are somehow separate from Awareness or living outside of Awareness, or are objective beings, we have mistakenly put value in the thoughts when the Value is in The Awareness That We are– Awareness within which the thoughts arise within— There is no ‘you’ to own the ‘thoughts’ and the ‘thoughts’ are because God Is All That Is– The Value is God’s Awareness and It is judgeless, Life is where all ‘holographic’ images, including thoughts appear—The thoughts are just images, things, not ‘real’ but the transient coming and going, the Dance of Wonder and Joy, that no one ‘owns’ Because Awareness Is the One and Only ‘owner’ of Everything including “our Real Self” which is not the images, not the thoughts but One with Awareness/Life/Truth/Ineffable Godhead/Divine Intelligence. Seeing this, and staying to true to It, eventually, the thoughts seem to lose power ( they never had any in the first place) we begin to Realize that Awareness is the Only Power and It is Always Here, unharmed and unchanged by the Gazillion of infinite ‘thoughts’that manifest within OUR Awareness (The I that I Am)—Anyway, always begin with Awareness, notice that It is Always Here, no matter where you go or what you think—Then ‘things’ sort of take their proper place in scheme of things—Now we can enjoy them, use them, write them, share them, bring laughter with them, share Light with them, use them to our best we can–but we also know that ‘they’ are not ‘real’ they have no power to do any harm or hindrence to The Infinite and Unchanging Power of Life/Awareness they arise within.
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In the appearance of space and time, ‘you’ are abused and offended by words. The ‘you’ misses the gift of all challenges to the ‘me’.
The challenge is far more effective than some beautiful pointer.
Discovering that the ‘you’ does not exist is the core ‘element’.
The mind will take you on an endless journey, looking, looking, looking.
You are LOOKING OUT of what you are LOOKING for.
How can you EVER find it?
‘You’ IDIOT.
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Look & see…
If we think Gilbert just called us an idiot then we still see ourselves as a “me”!!!!
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If your proud of your self for not being offended or for realizing Gilbert wasnt calling you an idiot than you too belive you are a Me!!! and are even more Full of it than those who felt like they where called idiots.
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It does not ‘matter’ what you ‘think’ you think – they are not your thoughts anyway. Thoughts simply appear and disappear. The owner of thoughts is just another thought. Have a look.
Can you think a thought? Can you choose a thought. Is there a bag of waiting thoughts in the shadows waiting for ‘you’ to pick one?
Inner Conflict takes place in space – conflict between an IMAGE of self (me) and images or thoughts that are contrary or in conflict with the IMAGE of ME. Who is disturbed by thoughts?
The ME is imaginary – Image-inary.
Why defend an image of self? Who is defending what?
You have no choice – yet in seeing that you are not that IMAGE – things get resolved naturally.
What an amazing piece of information – yet see how few are ‘willing’ to investigate – so it SEEMS.
Yet, to be free of all inner conflict is truly available RIGHT NOW……..simply by SEEING – KNOWING – the seeing and knowing that ‘I AM NOT these images of self’.
You will not be able to say what you are – but the undeniable clear presence of seeing-knowing cannot be negated.
Intelligence is not personal – the ‘person’ only appears as a believed in pattern of energy.
Losing face is like dis-illusion-ment. To be disillusioned…Dis-illusion-ed…means to be free of illusion. Losing a face that is actually a fabricated image of self is freedom. Who wants it though? No one. No choice. Isn’t it time to really investigate what is going on?
Where are all last years dramas now? They have disappeared. Or maybe some drag on and on like a family feud between the McCoy’s and the McCaws. Shotgun at the front door. Everyone has forgotten what it all started over 50 years ago. Kids grow up hating the ‘enemy’ for what ‘reason’? ‘Hillbilly Idiots’ who don’t look at the freshness of the immediacy of life. (Colorful picture?)
When a thought or word grinds against the ‘me’ it surely is just like a pain somewhere in the body, except this discomfort with a word or thought is only psychological suffering.
Pain in the body is just a sign that something is not right and it is a call for your attention to attend to whatever it is – see a doctor, pull out a splinter of wood, or whatever it is. All psychological pain is a phantom pain. A knot in the guts or a lump in the throat is ’caused’ almost exclusively by belief in the ‘me’ and its engrossed inner tangle over something.
The me does not exist and the psychological pain has no center to it. Investigate and SEE.
Of course I was not addressing anyone when I wrote YOU IDIOT.
But what a beautiful pointer.
Much better than some swanky guru telling you… “You are a pure drop of water making its way unto The Great Ocean, where I will be there to embrace you as you merge with the infinite Blessing of the All Mighty….blah blah blah”. Only an idiot would believe that nonsense…..and there does not seem to be a shortage of them. (Seem.. is appearance)
Bunkum and Bollywood bangles.
If this ‘I’ here had a choice, I would cease from telling this information over and over, because it SEEMS that no one has the capacity to follow up on the information. However, not so infrequently, someone out of the blue shows undeniable signs of truly ‘realizing’ what they always have been.
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Ianir
regarding your question:
“I would like to get, if I may, some clarification about the concepts that Bob Adamson uses: “I thought”, “I am”, “beingness”. what is the differences, if any, between those three?”
The “I thought” and the “I am” are simply conceptual `descriptions for the non-conceptual awareness that you are, which is knowing these words. Just like the thought “water” is the conceptual description for the actual non-conceptual experience of water(what is feels like and looks like etc.) As Bob says: “the thought is never the thing”. You can’t drink the thought “water”.
“beingness” is just another conceptual description for non-conceptual awareness, which doesn’t sound as personal as the thought “I am”, so it is a good pointer.
The “I am” thought seems to create some confusion when formed into sentences like “I am Aware”, as if the thought “I am” could be aware! So if this thought is believed it can give the false sense that what you are is a separate entity of some sort(which cant be found on investigation) that is aware. It is probably more accurate to say “awareness is aware”.
These three concepts are all just pointing to that sense of you being here right now, your very own sense of existence, that ordinary, always known “I am here-ness”. That which is simply present and aware to know these concepts. There are no separate entities or egos knowing these words right now, awareness is the only one present.
Don’t worry to much about all these different concepts. Presence-Awareness, I, beingness, Knowing, I am, are all just conceptual pointers, pointing to the only thing that is here right now, Non-conceptual awareness. What you are is not a object so in the end all concepts fail, because thought can only describe objects. So what you are cannot be found like an object, it’s what you are. And don’t think that this is difficult or hard to recognize. It is already known, all this non-dual stuff is just talking about “you”, it’s talking about what is present at all times. What else could you be other than what you are right now?
Love, Ric
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Does the apple tree try to bear only sweet apples? Does the mirror prefer the image of a flower to the image of a pile of crap? Does the sky prefer white clouds to gray?
As the effortless, wordless simplicity of just existing, just naturally and spontaneously “alerting” (which you cannot NOT do, because it is what you are) there is no division. The sense (I) AM is the same here as it is there, IT “awares,” contains, plays all parts and appears as everything. This “sense” of existing, of being, this wakefulness behind the actions, THAT which has always been the same and does not change is YOU! There is no way to get away from being YOU! There is nothing hidden, nothing mysterious, it is this simple! You naturally ARE and that is enough!
As they say in ZEN, “no need to push the river…” struggling to get rid of the I, attempting to “understand it,” trying to stay in the now, or any movement towards anything other than WHAT ALREADY IS, is pushing the river! It is precisely this futile attempt that apparently obscures what you are, that apparently maintains the belief in the inexistent “pusher!” It is as futile as trying to catch your own shadow! What you are requires no effort, no doing, IT is a done deal, YOU ARE! Relax as what YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN and enjoy the scenery!
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The love light in your eyes shines beyond beauty, star or gem.
It melts me cold cold heart and warms me weary soul.
Ya robbed me of my trusty words, no find, no splutter, n then.
I’m lost and found… and lost again within this vast-less-ness, whole.
How did I miss it, obvious n clear, this light of life… so close, so near.
You must think me such a fool.. n tis true enough, I know, we know.
It’s the thinking that is so fearful-fearsome, that makes this life so tough, but Oh……
The light by which I see, I know, ‘coz without it…… nothing, zero, cold…. n bleak.
The truth for sure, tis none can hear.. a word of it at all….
Coz believe or not tis true.. ya know… that none can speak.
Don’t search for me where none is found – you are ‘this light’ and not the ’seek’.
Love is light. Let it shine.
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This is good Gilbert. Love and Mystery shine through the words. It is better for you this way, through the Mystery. Artistic expression is suiting you better. Your programs are exquisite. Keep it this way.
Love Ewa
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and as usually, take what resonates Gilbert
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thank you very much for your answer. it is much appreciated.
i understand that these concepts refer to the sense of my own existence. but what about the times in deep sleep or under anesthetics, in which even the sense of my own existence disappears? what remain in these states? how would you call it?
it seems that my sense of existence disappears in these states. if it is real, then how could it disappear? is it another appearance of that which i am \ is real?
much love- lanir
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Here is neat little piece from William Samuel–although the language is very different, this seems to fit in with Gilberts and Randall’s message very well:
God, the reality being this single and only AWARENESS I AM, is the authority that blooms the bud, scatters the seed and flashes its Cosmic Light around the universe. This authority has never been vested in a human organization, be it a body with organs, a scientific institution, a financial institution, a marriage institution or a smother church. Furthermore, none of us has ever been unfaithful to this Divine Authority being Identity, nor “lapsed from the faith.” How, in God’s allness, can Identity lapse from Itself?
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You are what you eat.
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What’s with the thumbs down, you claim or believe reality is non-dual so how can’t you be what you eat? Awareness eats awareness.
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Awareness is self sustaining and complete, there is no lack or appetite for more. Only the “me” seems to get the munchies for more concepts, like an ever hungry ghost.
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I’m talking food not concepts.
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When you consume lets say, a sandwich. You are consuming a concept, the word sandwich is not the thing. What that thing is we don’t know, without going to a concept or naming it. Even the action or process of consumption and digestion is a concept. We don’t know anything, unless it’s filtered through the mind. The mind itself is a concept! See what I’m getting at? The only thing (which is not-a-thing) that is NOT a concept is the Awareness or YOU.
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Haha exactly that is the joke, there’s no duality so you are what you eat.
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It’s ALL YOU!
Cheers-Suki
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Now, where is the Truth in this situation?
Truth is irrelevant in this situation.
hehehe a puzzle
hi scarfox
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Suki wrote:
If that’s true, then why did Bob bother to write a whole book behind that title?
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Bob has never written a book. The book was transcribed from meeting recordings and the title was taken from the content of those meetings.
Same applies to the other two books from Bob’s meetings. It appeared that ‘I chose’ the title but the title suggested itself loud and clear.
And……What is wrong with right now (or anything) if you don’t think about it?
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Meant to quote this by Suki:
“One Essence, expressing and appearing AS Everything”.This one sentence sums up the message brilliantly, nothing is left out!
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Bit disappointed that I did not get an Oscar for my role as ’stirrer extraordinaire’. No harm done. In fact everyone who was stirred up so vehemently by ‘my stirring’ is either enjoying some simple pleasure of life right now, or biting back into another drama that has nothing to do with me. Well, not this ‘me’ – but you can bet that it involves the ‘me’ that gets stirred up.
You can stir a bucket of water for hours but if you leave it alone it will settle into a natural stillness.
If you look closely at the surface of the water you will see that it is not still. It resonates with every sound.
The subtleness of clear observation is like the stillness of a pond.
The surface may be churned up but the stillness reaches into the depths (of being).
Anyway thanks for your vote.
Waiting for a ’sign’ before we return with new programs. it may or may not happen. NO ONE knows the future.
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The mind is appearance – maya – lila – time – perception.
There is nothing in the appearance – it is empty.
You can easily see that fact. Where is the seeing taking place? Isn’t it clear and empty?
You can invest the appearance with all kinds of beliefs but the account is bankrupt. The currency is fraudulent.
You can only exchange the counterfeit currency with other deluded seekers.
(Taken from the most recent note on my website seeing-knowing dot com)
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Hey Gilbert, you stole my “everything is perfect” pointer!
Which is, of course, just perfect.
Needless to say there is no claiming going on here, except any that may produce a laugh!
You seem to be having a lively “break”.
Lotsa love, or whatever term is acceptable!
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Apologies Your Highness. Shall I retract my statement and re-draft it?
Maybe I should say “Everything is almost perfect, except for the things that I say, not including the things I steal from Suzanne.”
Well, no matter. No one believes it anyway. Only those who have had a taste of how perfect everything is knows the truth of it and that is perfect. It couldn’t be any other way.
But seriously, no matter what is happening, the In Seeing is potentially present to KNOW that everything is perfect just as it is.
The mind does not divide anything into duality or multiplicity.
Naked awareness is seeing that it is not bound by anything.
Where the seeing is ‘happening’ it is obvious that this presence is without bounds or limitations. It is prior to thoughts, during thoughts and post thoughts, simply because it is timelessly present AS Presence itself. Enough words.
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(Not directed at anyone in particular)
If you think that you are “enlightened” and come on here to save those who are still caught in bondage and suffering, that is an illusory thought story. “Others” can only exist when there is a “me”. Noone ever posted anything on this site. It is all just the impersonal arising of source. Humility is seeing that “you” (the supposed separate individual) never have and cannot do a thing.
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Richard Collings hosted the SL UGC talk last Tuesday. The raw and unedited talk can be listened to Here.
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This was great, thanks for doing this!!
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Thanks for this admin.
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Awareness does not think! The ‘mind’ or ‘me’ thinks it thinks, but is actually a thought. A thought is a perception which we sense in our Knowing. Knowing or Awareness is unlimited and has no boundaries, therefore is choiceless (timeless). To choose, is to divide and become (time) separate. “Nobody” chooses – a belief as a thought may appear that a choice has been made and the resulting action an outcome of that choice, favourable or otherwise!
Awareness or Knowing, being choiceless is Freedom Itself, not freedom from something, but Freedom in simply Being…….our Natural State always Here and Now.
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I don’t want to “break even”, I hope for more negative votes. How do I achieve this?
If you think you are a seeker, you are also just deluding yourself. If you’re looking for a prescription for oneness or something you can do to “loose the ego” then it’s all just ideas that are being played with. There is no ego to be lost. No separate self was ever born. The moment that is being experienced now is the only moment there will ever be. The characteristics, including what are labeled “flaws” by thought will continue to arise according to the particular appearance. Nothing is wrong. Everything is perfect (sorry for stealing your saying Suzanne).
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Lose*
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Hey I´m with you on this one!!!
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What am I to do? You are like a hive of dangerous wasps slumbering in the warmth of the afternoon sun as it bakes the hive. If I stick my beak in and stir you up with some ripe insults, you all start stinging each other and running around in a frenzy blaming anyone who is in earshot. Leave you alone and you drift off into la-la-land. Well that is how it seems. No one has a question about anything presented in these clear programs? Every knows it? No one game to venture out of the Advaita Cave and ask about whatever bugs them, because it will expose how they don’t know the answers?
As I say, there is no point in pretending to know.
Servicing a bunch of addicts to new programs is not the way I wish to go.
Enjoying the break – warm regards – Gilbert.
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Questions, they don’t come easy for me about this topic
But maybe i should start asking some in case there’s any pretending to uncover
Sometimes seeing is obvious , thoughts/labels aren’t there at all,
no narration, everything is still and nothing is happening,nothing is wrong
But sometimes thoughts and discriminations start happening so immediately/quickly
its like-oh no, the space of just being cannot be noticed anymore (lala land?)
Suddenly the situation is what i think it is and the bars are there
I don’t know. Is it the image of myself (that i’ve noticed is a thought story) wielding
its knowledge and stories
because its still hiding out somewhere? (as a thought/feeling habit)?
To ask a question is looking for a solution in mind to the problem created by minds labelling?
This mind stuff is so confusing and murky really
Drop it, its all concepts?
They seem to have a life of their own
Its kinda like jacob’s comment below
See it but…whats with these annoying discriminations
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The mind translates.
Knowing is naked, wordless and silent. Cognition is uninterrupted.
There is no entity attached to the naked knowing. The believed in entity appears in the mind through the label, ‘I’ or ‘me’ or some other word.
The translation flows naturally like leaves upon the river. The leaves are not the river. Thoughts are not the pure knowing and yet they are the knowing as it ‘appears’ as form(s).
In essence it is only knowing and everything is contained in the knowing.
The ’seeker’ cannot find the source of its own seeking. Yet the exercise of investigating can be useful.
The seeking dissolves in the knowing.
In the pure seeing, no new story is contrived about an entity achieving anything. Simplicity in being just as you are.
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Ah Gilbert it is so good to hear you at your best!!!!! A little or a lot of stinging is good for us all, wakes us up. In answer to your question it does appear that no questions need to be answered here which really is the case so enjoy the break and stir up the pot as much as possible I love it!!
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theres no way of knowing how the proression to this progresionless place of just being here is going , how much more of this staying with this sensce of presence is needed to finally boot this me thing into outer space and to just sit back and enjoy a fresh slice of cake.
as Ric says you cant actually find a solid surface to this body when looking at it, theres a sensation when the eyes look at the hand this sort of thing is being noticed but still getting booted up the arse by the me alot .
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Hello Jacob
Notice how this statement is implying that there will be a time in the future when this me will hopefully come to an end, this implies that there is a separate entity present now, when there isn’t. Just notice that these are all just mysterious concepts(time, me), that are just spontaneously arising in knowing or awareness.
Good to see you are looking at how shaky this “my body” idea really is. Have a good look for where exactly this Jacob character is, there is actually no room for this separate entity, there are visual perceptions, thoughts, sensations, sounds etc., but no “me” centre to be found anywhere. You are just present, blatantly present.
You don’t have to play this game the mind is perpetuating Jacob. Everytime the mind implies that there is something to get, or that you are not there yet, just notice that there is something present to know these concepts. Mental grasping may arise, who cares? The mind may generate a feeling of unease, that something is not right, that you need to do something, you don’t. Just look at these appearances without any need to correct them. They always pass, you don’t.
Just relax. If there is frustration arising just see that that is the mind trying to grasp something that is not an object that could or needs to be grasped. This can take a bit of courage because even tho thought produces all our suffering, we still indulge in it because we are afraid to dis-adentify with it. There is a kind of false security in thought, even suffering thoughts. There is nothing to be afraid of thou, because this presence that you are can never be lost or taken away or added to. It’s always right here as your very own self.
Nisargadatta: “Liberation is not an acquisition but a matter of courage, the courage to believe that you are free already and to action it.”
“If doubt sets in, don’t fight it. Cling to what is doubtless and leave the doubtful alone”
All concepts are subject to doubt, your beingness or “I am here-ness”, is not.
Love, Ric
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“Hang Jesus, hang Krishna. Tell me what You know!”
No one is here to be insulted, no one is here to be stirred up,
Is there a separate independent self to get stirred up????
There is no independent Person.
“One Essence Appearing as Everything”
What does that leave out??? It doesn’t say everything except You.
It isn’t the universe plus you, there is no separation, Someone appears to be insulting someone who appears to be getting stirred up, but it would seem according to Bobs quote that There is only one essence.
enjoy yourself
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Well put Wally.
The seeker gets massaged with all sorts of ‘positive’ stuff.
The elite seeker gets offended by ‘the main stream religion of belief’. Seekers swoon in front of a charismatic guru or make a pilgrimage to walk around a mountain or spit on a stone in the cobbled streets of Scotland. Whatever appears to happen, there is no result, no effect apart from the appearance of an effect. There is no cause either.
All apparent ’causes’ stem from the Singular Nature of the Infinite Potential, which NEVER manifests.
THAT is the ACTUALITY – REALITY.
THAT is all inclusive. There is Nothing Outside of THAT. Nothing to be separate or distinct.
I AM THAT – the realization.
The Realization is Eternally un-manifest yet it appears as every particle of this Appearance.
Where are you seeing from?
Every seeming cause and seeming effect appears IN the seeing.
It is undifferentiated SEEING – it is All Seeing.
It is only the mind that separates and divides what is truly One.
In Sight may appear as a glimpse of ‘truth’ – in Essence it is naked seeing – uninterrupted seeing.
You are THAT.
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Ric
That was so well written, so clear and very appreciated.
Many thanks
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Beauty thanks Ric x
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Return to Base.
Mission Complete.
You know.
There is KNOWING.
Forget about trying to MAKE others ‘know’.
ONE without a second.
The apparent lives of ‘others’ are transformed only in the ‘appearance’ – their apparent separateness dissolves back into the uninterrupted knowing that you are - I AM.
There is no higher or lower ‘knowledge’.
The essence of all knowledge is ‘knowing’ – this immediate activity of knowing.
I am THAT – you are THAT. No separation.
(Already too many words)
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You can’t see the end (or the beginning) of a thought…
because ‘you’ and the thought are ONE !!!
How could ‘you’ have a ‘problem’? ‘You’ and EVERY f… ‘problem’ (and a problem is ONLY a thought) are ONE !!!
ha ha ha ha…
Kaputt!!
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The intention of the UGC is to present clear pointing. Presenting clear pointing from various speakers brings variety and even though the expressions vary considerably, the Essence that all are pointing at remains the same.
If you believe that by just soaking up pointers, learning the non dual jargon and being like a sponge for more and more programs is going to do the trick, then you are mistaken. One pointers is enough to stop the mind dead in its tracks. Repeating pointers to oneself and ruminating over them can be a trap for the mind. Nothing is acquired. Clear pointing leaves you AS you ARE – present and aware.
We have a flow of new comers listening everyday, so for them it is fresh. Listen to the programs with complete openness…..don’t just say to yourself…’Yes I already know that”. HEAR what is being pointed to.
We have been very selective about who we interview. We do get suggestions, via emails, from ‘teachers’ out there and many if not all of them are not suitable.
They respond to the rejection with either some high flying rhetoric or an obvious negative reaction…and blame us for being some Exclusive Club.
Well, they can all go back into their little Advaita Caves and play with their doodles which, by the way, they are very good at.
We have very keen ears for bullshit and unbalanced teachers.
The dynamics of what is presented is enhanced by some antics to stir up the believed in self-center for those who are obsessed with their own self-image. This character ‘Gilbert’ can appear to be negative and demeaning etc.
The core of every clear message is addressed to the essence of being, which remains free of the appearance, no matter if it appears to be positive or negative.
The true essence of what you are is completely impartial.
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Thanks Gilbert and Ric
I think my mind notices how still/perfect the world can seem
from just being this effortless awareness
Not that its so great, but it feels light and balanced,
no person there to wanting to change anything.
I guess perfect is as good a word as any, anyways
Mind cannot have this “isness”
but mine wants it from that habit of seeking.
A few thoughts about it and poof, hey, where did perfect go
then a few more
how to get back to perfect?
First thought was past, second was future,
Mind looks for it but can’t see.
Neither of those “places” can be here in this isness
Stop in the middle and mind is gone,
perfect is back when the pendulum stops
There is no place for mind to be except in past/future
Its so true Gilbert , that mind is time, and time isn’t being, is never this.
This is pretty simple
There is no room for two
If you check in, reality checks out
I hope these might be useful concepts for someone to help notice
what is right here, what we are.
Strangely I still don’t have a clue what this is though.
Mind is not too happy about that
But i am, not-knowing rules.
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Because this so-called moment of ‘now’ has never happened before, it is unique, so the language has no words for it. All words are ‘of the past’.
Understanding is wordless and silent.
(and I say far too much about it).
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Did you ever see the movie-I Heart Huckabees?
The 2 seekers would take turns smacking each other in the head
with an inflatable post.
After some good hard smacks an all knowing look would appear on their faces
Dude.. i think i’m getting it
Yeah… me too…we are onto it.. hit me again, harder
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Nothing arises from a “me” including the idea that there is such a thing as a “me”.
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I have been silently following this comment page and I confess have been one of those who have taken offence. But it doesn’t matter. There is a definite appreciation for the clarity that UGC brings forth and the carfulness by which you select teachers. I’ve taken the time to explore some of the connected websites and blogs and the most obivious pointer is that everything already is perfect and that whatever is happening is it, it’s just not happening to anyone. So I will just be with that, and that in itself is quite a relief. The mind of course says once I get it everything will be hunky doory, it’s still looking to a future state. But this is it and I wouldn’t ‘know’ that without clear and genuine pointing. Thank you.
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me=conceptual limitation and suffering
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Thought is ‘problematic’ only to thought itself.
Let’s say that one first thought says ‘you are a complete misfit’. One second thought qualifies the first as ‘problematic’. But the first thought is OK. The second too. It doesn’t matter the content of thoughts.
Every thought IS Awareness AS that thought. There is NO separation. Awareness IS that thought, and EVERY thought.
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EXACTLY. Very well put Fernando
The conflict ‘appears’ between two reference points. The ‘experience’ is described via a ‘form’ we can call the experienc-er (me). The ideas or concepts and reference points are all energy appearing as seeming forms. The tension between these ‘forms’ is appearing as energy in conflict with energy.
There is ONLY ONE energy.
The tension is actually resolving itself.
It is ALL appearance.
The me is the sense of separation – a separation that does not exist. Hence suffering.
For whom?
You, the reader, can answer that question.
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The infinite spectrum of experience changes and morphs in a continuous stream like fashion. Notice THAT which is aware of change, but does NOT change itself………YOU.
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YOU cannot notice THAT. That which does not change is SEEING. Seeing is uninterrupted.
Noticing something, anything, is a transitory appearance – and all ‘noticing’ appears in the SEEING.
Just BE the SEEING – which is effortless – it is effortless because that is what you ARE. (Always and ever ARE)
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YOU are THAT, is the totality. There is nothing else! what is being described is the indescribable. All words and labels are provisional designations only. There is only SEEing or BEing and You are That.
The mind may think it can understand this conceptually, but that ain’t it! The reality of what YOU are is this Immediate Present Awareness.
Any conceptual formulas or translations occur or appear within this
Awarenessing or Knowing.
It’s simple, but not for the ‘mind’…….
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“Stop talking and thinking…and there is nothing you will not be able to know” – Hsin Hsin Ming.
The meaning of this sentence above may not be so obvious straight off.
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Notice to ‘teachers’.
We invite speakers to be interviewed. None of the speakers on our programs wrote and asked to be interviewed.
We do get emails from ‘teachers’ wanting to be interviewed. We have thousands of listeners around the globe and that is very attractive for some teachers. However, we are not stupid. Subtle hints and blatant suggestions don’t work on us. To thrust some opportunist onto our listeners would be a ’sin’. And most of our listeners would see through the fraudulent teachers quick smart. So what point is there to it? We all know that there are hundreds of ’scam-ers’ out there.
Having a clean site is rare. So, I say go sell your stories somewhere else – thank you.
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I was one of those people who came here to be taught in the beginning & I got so freaking pissed off at Gilbert. I said some real nasty things to him under a different name ofcourse being the coward I was. I swore “hell would freeze over” before I ever returned to this__________(you fill in the blank) site. Well, I not only returned before hell froze. I returned within a week (ha).
There is no such thing as a teacher when it comes to nonduality. Notice how Gilbert calls them speakers beause he knows there has never been & never will be a teacher on UGC. What is there to teach & what is there to learn? Nothing… There is CLEAR, PRECISE, POINTING here. If you want to be taught something you better move on & if you think you are a teacher you surely do not want to stick around because that label will fall off quickly here.
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Recognizing our true nature.
What is recognition?
It is non-conceptual.
It appears that we use concepts to point at ’something’ that you innately KNOW.
The limitations of words and pointers fall short.
A resonance sings in being, like a solo bird in the stillness of night.
Taste it as often as you can. ‘Listen’ to your own true nature.
The mind will naturally become still and quiet.
It is not meditation – there is no meditate-er – no mediator – un-mediated, undivided awareness.
Indescribable because it has no label at all……..yet we can call it ’simple, ordinary, everyday awareness’.
No seeking is required – you are THAT.
(Lifted from a recent Note on my website……seeing-knowing.com)
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«There are no things; there is only the mystery of no-thing being one-thing, appearing as all things.» (Marian Dhara, Ser y Estar – Nonduality)
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Consider this: Memory and anticipation do not actually obscure clear and present awareness.
A new program is being prepared and will appear in due course. In the mean time check out any programs that you have not listened to. The Programs of Nisargadatta called ‘Beyond Space and Time’ are exceptionally good. I was surprised that few seemed to ‘value’ them.
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Don’t hold your breath. A new program is about to splash down.
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