72. Relaxing into THAT. (No Crusade – No Mission)
Posted February 21, 2010
By gilbert
New program. How can anyone possibly miss what is being pointed at? Beats me.
Music includes: Mal Webb, Ray Charles, Gilbert, The Swell Season (piano piece), Paul Simon, Ry Cooder, James Taylor, Bliss, Bob Dylan and the fantastic music of Dan Hicks and the Hot Licks with “Humming to myself” (a Non Duality song…ha).
Free podcast on Non Duality. No fees, no membership, no hassles. Just direct pointing presented in an unconventional manner.
NOTICE: NO SALE for CAFE - YES, the UGC is up for grabs - best offer wins – NO Offers were made via email at gilbert.schultz AT gmail.com
I guess we will just have to carry on as usual.
No one ever ‘got it’. There was never anyone separate from THAT, to get lost somewhere outside of THAT.
No matter what anyone says, it remains inexpressible, indescribable.
Yet pointing happens and recognition happens.
Enjoy.
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Came to listen to some of the podcasts and the two I wanted were both gone. I’m not sure how to keep them on my computer, I’m a bit of a luddite. Is there somewhere else I can listen to them? Are you going to have some kind of archive? I guess this is what taking things for granted gets me! Yes, I know, there’s no me to be got.
Anyway, I’ll listen to the new stuff with pleasure.
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‘Get the message’ while you can.
– Gilbert.
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your words
led me to a space
where clear seeing
revealed itself
to be Self….
your words slashed every
cherished dream
of reaching, realisation
of touching that imagined hallowed space
where everything
would be magical
and there would be no pain…
with a ruthless tenderness
you slashed the persona
and its imagined limitations
into pieces and strands
that would put a rural spaghetti factory
to shame
with a persistent tenacity
you refused to feed me the crumbs
of deception
and left me for many moons
feeling partially starved
– the me no longer sustained
with the most gentle of love
you shone the light
in my direction
and I became it…
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The mind says what’s next? Then what? When is it enough? In the never ending story of me nothing is wrong any more. How can that be? All those experiences don’t amount to a hill of beans. Right here right now is all there is, all there ever was. Non conceptual KNOWING is all there is. The normal, natural state…although it’s not a state at all. It’s what is. It has to be enough because there is nothing else to get. When is it enough? Right here, right NOW, end of story.
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Who is Dan?
Now off to do some downloading whilst I still can….thanks for another fine podcast…
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I am that by which I know I am, and all there is is what I am. Some call it awareness and that there is only awareness. This is true, but leaves out that there is a magnificent expression of one thousand things. To keep the pointing non-dual, it is called awareness or pure consciousness. What is left when there is seeing? Lets do this at this very moment. Right now you are aware of the computer humming, light coming into the window, maybe some clothes laying around, a sensation we call body, etc… Where am I besides these ‘things’? Without looking to the mind we see this is all there is and then there is a release of tension. There is no me or thinker, just what is. Don’t try to ‘be awareness’ and nothing else, just recognize what is. You can’t really never be it or not be it, it is always changing but the constant is the knowing of this. So in direct experience we are WHAT IS. If a thought comes in claiming identity then you are the energy that you label thought with energy, but that comes and goes so you are not what it says, and you are briefly the experience of that energy patterning but you are never the pattern or the pattern exclusively. Come back to this time and time again. Don’t cry there is no time or no me to do any of this. Or cry, it will pass and you remain. You know that you are because things are coming and going, and you are lighting up that which is only light itself. There are no objects, but from the minds perspective it can be said that objects are the knowing as well, and that is why it has been said that the seer is the seen and the seen is the seer, no separation and all that is actually the seeing. I know I am because a chair comes and goes, and my dad comes and goes, and everything comes and goes seemingly in what I am AS I AM. A thought doesn’t actually ever obscure being unless being is being the pretending of not knowing being. Beautiful that the paradox of language forces one to directly be earnest, cause the mind sure as hell won’t understand this. Find out what you are first, then you will see what this madness really means. Stop asking questions, all there is is now and its already happening. So what does the so called ‘me’ have to do or think or plan or suffer about? “but how can the knower be the known which is all happening in the knowing which is simultaneously the pretending of the knower and the known?” the mind will ask this, but forget all that. Find out what you are first and foremost and all that will be enjoyable insights that are genuine and not some mind game. Everything gilbert or anyone has said will be ‘known’ if it is true.
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There is NO separation between what you are and ‘what is’. They are identical.
What you are is ‘no-thing’ because it has NO limits. Therefore, it (you) has no ‘outside’ (nor ‘inside’).
It (you) is ALL there is, and all there is is ‘no-thing’ being ‘all-things’.
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Yes and of course it sounds like complete nonsense to the mind, memory.
There is nothing to compare this revelation to. So it cannot be verified by any mind process. Therefore everyone dismisses it.
Even though it is the most obvious it makes no impression whatsoever.
The same is true of pure knowing.
Everything registers in or on pure knowing.
The knowing is empty.
No self.
Very complexing for any seeker.
Therefore, the guru gives the seeker ‘something’ to worship and strive for.
No seeker ever finds what it is looking for.
The search is the problem.
One can only laugh at the absurdity and relax.
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I am neither perceivable nor conceivable. ~ SNM
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Relax in not-knowing anything.
Be ok with no-understanding.
No-understanding is understanding somehow.
Whatever is going on, that’s ok.
You will get this stuff when you will accept that you can’t get it.
Acceptance mean being what you already are.
Getting this stuff is not something that the mind can get, it is an understanding that does not require anything, just being here, that’s it.
Being here is the understanding. You don’t need the mind for being here.
There is nothing else to understand.
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What does it mean to abide as that????
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It does not mean anything as far as ‘doing’ is concerned.
The easiest way is to drop all concern with thoughts. let them come and go and they will abate.
What effort are you making to be what you already are?
Be simple and stop trying to be something that you are not.
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No words really can capture your sheer being, which is beyond any doubt. Objects or no objects, witness or no witness, you are what you are. All else, including witnessing, is still coming and going. You are. Of that fact there is no doubt. That in you that allows you to experience “I am” is your true nature. (Note well, the experience of “I am” is an appearance, but you are not an appearance!) Your true nature is already present and is the absolute reality itself. Strictly speaking, that is neither existent nor non-existent, conscious nor unconscious, bound nor liberated, as it transcends (yet includes) all conceptual dualities.
~John Wheeler
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‘you are’ and ‘witnessing’ if they subside, they do at the same time (sleep). I don’t see the difference?
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Gilbert has some wonderful posts on his website under the heading “writings”.
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The SEEING is undifferentiated. What is seen is differentiation.
Who cannot see the difference?
Who cares?
Seeing is all there is.
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All phenomena including the ‘I AMNESS’, arises or rests on the substratum, which is Pure Beingness or the Seeing. You are the substratum. It is the source of all manifestation. It never changes. The stages of unfolding appear as birth,growth, age, death. This is the appearance, but in actuality the Reality, or substratum does NOT change and remains unaffected. YOU have never appeared. What you are is Timeless. You cannot know what you are. You can only BE what you ARE. SEE that this is the case, are you not Effortlessly Being right Now!
Consider this, everything that you know is a concept!, but That which knows this, is NOT!
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I had something that I thought to share:
The imaginary ‘I’ assumes that it is the one that is witnessing but in reality there is no witnessing at all.
THE KNOWING IS INSTANTANEOUS AND UNMEDIATED (that is, it is not through someone that the knowing occurs).The proof of that is that there is no need for labeling to occur for the knowing of these ‘things’, no need for an imaginary thinker to think of these ‘things’ for the knowing to be there.
And what is that ‘knowing’? It is ineffable and it just is.
What is there to stand outside of the knowing to see what this knowing is? Nothing is outside of it, it is all knowing. There is NOTHING TO SEE ANYTHING, there is only seeing with no seer and no seen.
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Beautifully put Areti. That knowing and Being are really two words for the same reality, the same nondual and immediate reality. There is no where to go to GET it – because you ARE it.
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Areti, how does that work? I don’t have fun, fun is happening? Can there be a real I that is not imaginary? The I AM THAT? Can there be an I that is the KNOWING that is having the experience of being I?
How does this work for you in your life? There is no you, no family, no partner, no friends? Do you say to your children, “You don’t exist?” What do you say to your partner when you are making love or having sex? There is no you, no me, sex is just happening and it seems to be good but there is no one to say?
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Frank, what is this ‘I’? Is it anything more than a concept? Does it exist if there are no thoughts of an ‘I’?
The examination of what this ‘feeling of self’ is might happen and the realization might arise that the ‘I’ is nothing but concept.
For the imaginary Frank to want to know what life is like for this imaginary Areti serves no purpose. Frank might come to examine instead what is really there without thoughts laden with belief in being separate. Who cares what this Areti or any other ‘thing’ is thinking or saying. Frank might come to realize he’s in this for himself, so that he can see for himself what life is without fixation in thoughts.
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Frank will NEVER come to see anything. Frank missed it completely and always will.
Frank obviously believes he is enlightened. Such arrogance belongs to Frank and Frank, to put it frankly is not Earnest.
Frank appears to be on a mission. Frank is upset over some words. His own words, or words he takes to be his own, are preferred as being more correct than the words of selected others. The bias remains hidden for Frank. Frank is the bias that twists the view into a ‘personal view’ and so the clear view is apparently obscured. Taking thing personally only fortifies the belief in being a separate entity, while believing that that entity is somehow superior. That is some twisted up mind gime, if ever I saw one.
Right now, Frank is probably fuming. “How dare he….” “Who does he think he is….” etc.
Well the point is who does Frank think he is? God?
This kind of entertainment is fun for a little while but it gets quite boring pretty quickly.
You probably have no noticed but there is no one here claiming anything. While Frank is rather special, me thinks.
Asking how does it work is just a mind game and what answer will satisfy you anyway?
What Areti expressed is very clear.
What we are talking about here is Non Duality.
There is no question about ‘you and your life’.
It seems that there are quite a few preconceived notions being held onto.
It isn’t a matter of find some answer that will solve the puzzle.
Start from the fact of your own being, prior to thought.
All questions and doubts are in thought.
The knowing is clear and empty.
There is NO answer in the mind. Try as hard as you wish, it will never work and there is NO ‘How’ to it.
If you start anywhere else other than with the fact of BEING, it will be a concept and it will fail.
‘God’ is a concept.
What the word originally meant has been lost.
All words are just words.
The inexpressible nature of what ‘I am’ can never be captured by words or gestures, symbols or diagrams.
If doubts appear just say “No Mind”.
Repeat until it is clearly obvious.
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Does it help to say there are no persons? Our ideas about an ‘other’ are dualistic. A me and you arises in thought. This idea is only a learned assumption. In reality it’s not true. Does it help to remember that?
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The resistance to seeing that there is no ‘person’ is the belief in being a person. Naturally any pointing at the non-existence of a person will be rejected almost instantly because it is far too sharp and bites upon the belief, ‘causing’ a reflex.
Psychological suffering is unnecessary but the fortress built around a fictional entity is often ‘thick skinned’.
Let them be – they will find their own way home.
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I just made my first donation and this is my first comment on this site. Now I am saddened to see that Gilbert has the website up for sale. I love it so very much. Oneness truly shines through you Gilbert on this remarkable, amazing website. Your gift of expression through words, both written and spoken is much appreciated here. Your style of speaking is very profound in this subject and your writing could not be more clear and stunning. I see on the comments that you may not sleep all that much when the times are all night long. But I know I’m not alone in saying that without your creative, inspiring, work on this site. . . . it may never be the same. There are many other brilliant teachers on this site; perhaps one of them will take over. But I want to say please don’t go. We are all depending on your inspiration. Just expressing my honest feelings; sorry for the pressure.
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Thank you Donna for your donation. Does anyone take my For Sale Notice seriously? No one made any offers as yet. Maybe because it is priceless. No one knows the future, NO ONE.
Even so plans are made. I have some interesting ideas of how to ‘proceed’ here-in. We have only scratched the surface so far.
Some really creative work could happen sooner or later. It is not easy funding it all ourselves, with energy, time and finances. We do receive some donations and we are very pleased that some value what we ‘do’.
As I have pointed out in my writings on my website recently, Clarity does not belong to anyone. This body-mind organism plays about in Clarity and is often sac-religious and even offensive. It is not merely for some sick sense of humor. Far from it.
if someone had been ‘in my face’ a few decades earlier, a lot of erroneous beliefs would have been cut away a lot sooner.
Of course all this talk about ‘time’ is erroneous but the fact is most relate with a sense of time and process. As long as the pointing does not leave you in the lurch, treading water, then all is good. Yes it is priceless…..but someone may just wish to have a go and even do a better job of it. I have some new ideas – but they can be incorporated into the UGC if a sale does not happen.
Where are all the multimillionaires? Don’t they want to make amends and clean up their ‘sin bag’? Just kidding.
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Heaven is what you cant get away from. Absolutely trapped in freedom. No escape.
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One must understand that every expression made by anyone at all can be pulled apart and found to be either dualistic or in error of some sort.
Few can digest direct pointing as a constant expression in words.
Therefore naturally the expression appears as a mixture of ordinary conversation with moments of clear pointing cutting through from ‘time to time’.
Some unstable characters believe that they have a superior view of Non Duality and they truly appear to hate being challenged.
What is being pointed to is a pure point of view devoid of any ‘point’ or entity. Of course this is unpalatable for the believer in mind.
Even though much of what appears here is completely unconventional, there is an intelligence behind it.
When the apple landed on Newton’s head, he had an insight into an aspect of nature – Gravity.
When the apple lands on your head, the insight that appears to come cannot be known before the apple drops.
Speculation can fill the mind to the point of abstraction – what good does any of it do? Don’t think about it. Ha.
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The mirror (awareness) reflects and registers everything (consciousness) as it is, yet the mirror is not effected by the reflection. What is aware is solid and changeless. Consciousness comes and goes.
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“Does anyone take my For Sale Notice seriously? No one made any offers as yet.”-
HA HA
Give me a break!
If you and Areti are seriously going to pack up and leave then the UGC will rest in peace.
Replacing you and Areti??? That’s like trying to take Jack Nicholson out of Cuckoo’s nest!
Don’t be flattered- not that you would be- I’m just taking your bait a little bit….
It would be funny to see someone come in and try to do the UGC- HA HA HA HA HA
If it is over it will be sad.
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Say it ain’t so! Please don’t go! Make your feelings known…..this clear and timeless information is priceless.
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Please sell up and go! – It’s all been said, no more talk could make it any clearer.
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Well, the thing is, if someone else owns it, then ‘we’ can negotiate a few things. Negotiating with yourself is the first sign of madness.
Thanks for the ‘encouragement’ chaps. The game ain’t over yet – not till the skinny lady sings “It Ain’t necessarily so”.
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Frank,
Please read Randall Friend’s blog/writing called “Unwind the I” dated 2/21/10 on his website.
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I like the idea that the surface has only just been scratched. The challenge is how to pop as many balloons as possible. Unravel & become.
The biggest drug is tv/video/visual media. Maybe a trojan horse into that would be fun.
Play with their minds. Something like Chris Morris on Brass Eye, The Day Today etc but with a ‘spiritual’ bent.. Ps. Why the deletion of programmes? If that is what is happening. (Ed: Some will re-appear)
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Yes it’s all good fun until someone loses an I.
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Can you lose something that has no inherent existence?
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Why dont you guys take over the Advaita show on the podcast network Give Cameron Reilly a call.
Gday
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Ha, Are they still afloat? I guess Captain Jack Sparrow could do it.
In the virtual world anything can happen. Then again, any Network has holes in it.
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closer than a word. innescapable
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Give up all attempts at arriving at some special state or experience in the spiritual search. Hold on to one single reality…
Seeing is presently happening.
Consider – WHO is seeing? What is the answer? “I am.”
That unresolvable roadblock is the key. Find out if that “I”-label applies to a real entity or if that label is an assumption.
No one is SEEING.
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John Wheeler and others say that we are not the seeing either nor are we the sense of presence. Totally confusing… he says we are that that allows the sense of I am, and that which seeing comes and goes in. Why make such a differentiation? Apparently all you guys are just pointing to something which is less limited than the i-thought, and making it easier to realize what we are. Further and on a side note, is this because in deep sleep there is no witnessing? or I guess witnessing could happen in deep sleep I don’t know. Check out John Wheelers homepage if you want to be confused.
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Mike,
Find something that resonates and stay with that. Completely ignore anything else which doesn’t. Follow that resonance.
Can you negate your being? No. Yet what IS that being? Anything you say is automatically false, because you can only speak of “things”.
All you can say is that you ARE. WHAT you are is undefinable.
Yet in direct and obvious experience, you are aware of the world, the body, the thoughts, the sense of being, the sense of presence, ANY sense. Any sense is objective, by definition.
Similarly, all these “senses” or objective “content” is entirely dependent on Consciousness – yet you remain aware of that Consciousness.
Therefore you are THAT BY WHICH any sense is known. BE that and nothing else – that is what is called realization. Yet you already ARE that anyway, so “realization” really is meaningless. Only the mind ceases to project a false idea about what you are.
Vedanta calls it “removing ignorance”. This ignorance is simply ignoring the obvious, in preference for the projections about what you are. Yet the projections imply that you are limited. Once these projections are seen as false, the false limitations are seen to not be there. Therefore this is called freedom. Yet you are already THAT also – already free. So “freedom” really is also meaningless, because it implies that something was bound and is later free.
Be as you ARE, not as you IMAGINE yourself to be.
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Not confusing……..subtle.
Nothing is
Nothing is not
What more is there to say?
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Wow that was condescending and immature. Are you kidding, would you really walk around and tell people hey this isn’t confusing: Nothing is and nothing is not. I disagree with this subtly, we must be being it does not come and go, being bes not being thus its being. Pretending doesn’t make being even more special, lets call it pararamaramadingdongbram now!
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Without words, you are what you are.
Questions, doubts, answers… are ALL words.
YOU don’t depent on words.
Everything (things/words) depends on YOU.
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You come to the UGC and tolerate constant assault upon your idea of self. You are told that individual you take yourself to be does not exist after all. You are pointed to the ineffable yet undeniable vastness of awareness and the suggestion is that you are not limited.
For that message to resonate, to be tolerated and looked into, is all that is required. That idea of a separate entity, although it’s been believed in for so long, is definitely being doubted.
This openness is the necessity. So just inquire – what is the nature of reality? Is it found in appearance? Is appearance the absolute reality? Upon what has that appearance come? From what essence is that appearance being expressed? What is the underlying reality to all appearance?
Can you be only an appearance? Or must you not be that absolute essence or reality, whatever it “IS”?
Cease considering yourself as contained by appearance and that absolute reality becomes obvious. That must be your true nature. That which is the essence itself, the source from which all springs.
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This Essence which never manifests is what you are. The phrase “I AM THAT”,
is what it is referring to.
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Yes to mind it is horribly confusing. Ideally it helps to have a genuine desire to want to know the truth. So what is it? It’s what ends suffering. It’s the realization that who you are has never been in bondage. Just start with the basic fact that everything comes and goes, nothing in conscious experience is permanent. You are not what you ‘think’ you are. Who or what knows this?
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You are effortlessly this reality.
What do you need to do for this reality to be here?
Nothind to do from the mind to be what you are.
Relax the attempt to grasp what you are.
Effortlessly, you are already everything.
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There are so many ‘you’s’ in all these pointers it gets a little misty. All these ‘I’s's’ and ‘you’ and ‘that.’ its enough to make the mind switch off. Enough! Try this: the body/mind is a door for life to know that it is living. When that door is closed (death or dreamless sleep)
life seems to cease. It is only in the living/wakeful state that one can be aware of life. Thought comes later. When you wake, there is a moment before the memory kicks in. Know it, extend that moment. And return to it. Eventually That becomes the reality and the thought based experiences fade, like dreams. The true reality, whilst not popular and often derided as ‘mad’, is undeniably whole, loving and spacious. The only requirement, as Gilbert says, is a commitment to know. Even if that means unpopularity. The ego, after all, only thrives or exists even, on recognition by others. Who arent there! Its only a beautiful game. Which is not to say its devoid of pain, anger, resentment but the beauty is all. Contrast. Turmoil and peace. One cannot exist without the other. Acceptance of that is all.
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One can be aware 24/7
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Site for sale? Yikes, I had no idea things were so bad Gilbert. Nothing else you can sell? Listen, I’d put in a bid, but I just don’t want it. I mean, what the f**ck would I do with it?
It’s the same friggin thing, over and over.
Look at it your way – when it’s done it’s done, you’ll know when.
It’s done and dusted here mate; feet up, bottle of beer.
You largely to thank for it.
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Hmm when I look at that for sale sign I can’t take it seriously, as I don’t think the writer is taking it seriously either. Can’t you tell
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dear Gilbert,
sale UGC? you crazy?
so here is the gift of now,
toy of God,
the joy of children
playing love life
THAT is love!
kisses……………….
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Well, folks take all the wrong things seriously and pass over those ‘things’ or pointers that should not be ignored. I can’t help it, It seems that my playfulness with words is often mistaken for either an ‘ego’ wanting attention or as something devious or whatever, ad infinitum. However I would like to thank those few who have donated to the continuance of this site. Although we certainly would not ask for a fee for this service, it does incur costs to run the site not to mention the many hours that go into each program. Presenting the programs in a setting that allows reflection upon whatever is being pointed to, without constant talking requires a certain ‘talent’ and it seems that we have it. Compared to many other similar presentations, this site has so much more going for it.
The ebb and flow of the site and its programs ‘imitates life’ allowing one to get caught up and then see through the ‘caught up-ness’. Note the lack of serious overbearing personalities.
Of course I am inviting all kinds of comments to be aimed at me when I say these things but I have survived all kinds of onslaughts.
Okay, that is enough prattle for now. We may have another program soon……or not. Cheers – G.
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Just been listening again to some of the earlier programmes and they really do hit this mark. (Sorry, awful pun not entirely intended) Its the space and the music that so often allows the message in, that may otherwise flow over into the next sentence. Thanks again, Areti, Gilbert and Randall. Your work is most welcome.
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