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80. Still, No One Talking – UG
Posted on 05.04.10 1:26AM under UG Krishnamurti
UG Krishnamurti from a recording in Amsterdam in 1982.
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Music includes Vassilis Tsabropoulos, Anja Lechner and U.T. Gandhi, CD “Melos” – plus a beautiful piece from Annour Brahem from a CD titled “Barkakh”.
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Posted by Ronna on 05.04.10 4:05 am
Perfect timing as always, just starting noticing that familiar arising ‘is there more?’. Thanks for all you do
Posted by Ronna on 05.04.10 4:09 am
Well very funny . . . Went to look for the play button and well ‘still, no one talking’ Ha
Posted by mark on 05.04.10 5:14 am
Is it a technical hitch? Or just a little cul-de-sac for the podcast junkies? Like me!
(Ed: It all seems to be working now. I didn’t see the problem, if there ever was one.)
Posted by Ronna on 05.04.10 9:48 am
Yes, it was only an appearance arising in awareness. Hahaha Off for a listen!
Posted by anatta on 05.04.10 11:47 am
Enlightenment is an imaginary event that will supposedly happen to an imaginary person at some point in an imaginary future.
Posted by anatta on 05.04.10 11:51 am
Has anyone else heard about a documentary called “who’s driving the dream bus?”
It has interviews with Tony Parsons, Jeff Foster and many others. I just watched it and thought it was pretty good. It’s a little bit pointless and long-winded but maybe it can help dispel thoughts of separation so, not such a bad thing.
(Ed: Most teachers perpetuate the dream by implying that there is someone that can get something – even when they say that there is no one to get anything, it still feeds the conceptual idea that there is a dream bus with no one driving it. Why be concerned with a dream? Find out what you are, not what you dream you are.)
Posted by suki on 05.04.10 12:35 pm
No matter how ingenious the solution, it can never solve a non-existent problem!
There is thinking, but no thinker.
A question arises, but no questioner.
Questions, which are nothing but thoughts arising and subsiding intermittently across the empty spaceless screen of awareness.
Any answer or solution will be just another thought flitting across the empty spaceless screen of awareness only to disappear.
What problem is there when there is no thought?
What problem is there when there is thought?
You are that which knows the presence and absence of thought.
Make that 180 degree you-turn and you will see that what you are looking for is what’s looking.
Posted by Cat on 05.04.10 12:44 pm
ho hum
Posted by gilbert on 05.04.10 1:57 pm
So long as the WANTING is there, there can be no illumination.
Posted by WallyD on 05.04.10 3:20 pm
There is nothing there to know. No existence there, so the question who am I should come to an end. Good stuff, Thanks again Gilbert for putting this together. Thoughts are not the problem, There is no problem unless “YOU” or “I” believe there is one, and even than there is no problem. “The solution if there is any has to be in the here and now“ don’t know what to do with your “self”???
Shit happens
Beingness is happening
forget about finding yourself, you where never there to be lost in the first place.
ONE without a second
There is no room for a you or an I in that. NOT TWO. One essence appearing as everything. This makes it impossible to be a separate me with my special problems.
Posted by Cat on 05.05.10 2:31 am
Funny because I was just ‘thinking’ of that very thing…tired of ‘wanting’ to understand. I just can’t ‘think’ about it anymore. Doesn’t mean I think it’s wrong, quite the contrary…but the wanting is a definite hinderance.
Posted by Scotty on 05.05.10 3:17 am
Simply be awareness, consciousness, knowingness, peace, contentment.
Desire to know formless as an object, desire to understand formless is the aggitation energy that keeps the search for THIS going, so that THIS overlooks itself, misses knowing itself, misses seeing itself. By becoming “tuned into” the feelings that “I need something” or “I lack something” or “I don’t want something” … desiring, or wanting, or not wanting can be seen as ONLY a thought that is ONLY an idea (not at all true) that comes and goes. Is there then any motivation to leave the peace and contentment to attend to the ideas that come and go? Is there any desire to leave the deep, calm and peaceful depth of the ocean source to attend to little waveforms that come and go on the surface?
Posted by fernando on 05.05.10 11:09 am
There are thoughts, images, sensations, perceptions, feelings, actions…
Is there something else?
SEE if there is something else.
Is there an ‘I’? Are ‘you’ sure? What is this ‘I’?
If there is not an ‘I’ (and there is NOT an ‘I’), then WHO has a problem? WHO suffers? WHO is trying to understand this?
Posted by gilbert on 05.05.10 3:07 pm
The UGC faces a conundrum. The problem is WANTING and the ever-lasting ‘wanting more’ is perpetuated by the supply of more. Hundreds of pointers are in the programs.
it only takes one pointer to be truly heard, in an unexpected way, for a recognition to ‘appear’ out of the blue.
What do you WANT?
Who is it that wants it?
And why have you not recognized the simplicity of being?
All questions appear from the knowledge you already have.
To ask WHY is an expectation of a ‘reason’.
There is no ‘reason’ for BEING.
BEING gets along quite well without ‘reason’. All the animals do quite well without ‘reason’ and apparent ‘purpose’.
What effort are ‘you’ making to BE?
Posted by piersede on 05.05.10 7:43 pm
On the documentary mentioned earlier. Yes, I wasn’t that keen on it myself. Fantastic that film makers are looking at this subject, but it was a bit long winded, and poorly structured. I think those without any knowledge of advaita would have thought it was frankly nonsensical, which didn’t necessarily have to be the case. Much better is: ‘The Sea That Thinks’ – a Dutch film with some clever visual ideas…
Posted by Jacob on 05.06.10 12:53 am
disolveing into being seems hindered from the psycological suffering and the feelings that get flooded around the body from it. and the strong sence of me attactched to the suffering,feelings , bullshit, doesnt help either .x
Posted by frankly on 05.06.10 1:51 am
I have no say in how the heart beats.
I have no say in how the hair grows.
I cannot make my nails grow faster or slower
My body can have an allergic reaction to certain foods. I have no say in that
My eyes needs glasses. I did not choose that.
I do not need a hearing aid. I did not choose that.
Breathing happens without ME doing anything.
The blood is pumped around the body. I can take no credit for that.
Sneezing can happen. I do not get to pick the time or place of when it does. It happens and I react and say. I did that.
Nightmares happen in dreams. I have no say in their content.
The eyes will blink without me doing anything. Sleep will come upon ME and I have no idea of the moment I fall asleep.
I am happy to admit that I do none of these things. I seem to be happy to accept that I am not the doer of all these things.
Whats more, there are a million other tiny but magnificiently complex happenings within the body.
I am happy to admit that I have no idea how any of them work. I am happy to admit that I have no say in whether they do work or they don’t work.
When it comes to the magnificantly complex creation that is this body, I will admit that I am not involved with its functioning.
However, when thinking happens I apparently have a different perspective.
I seem to feel (though much much less so nowadays) that it is I that is doing the thinking and as a result that I am doing the choosing.
However when I search long and hard to find a ME to whom these thoughts are apparently happening, it is fair to say that I cannot find one. I will still get lost in thought and it feels like those thoughts impact ME. Yet I cannot find this ME that I am so worried about. EVER. Thoughts happen. Breathing happens. And truly there appears to be no one controlling these.
NOW these are just words. Words that make sense and are logical to ME. These may suggest an understanding. But to be clear they are just words and they feel like an accurate way to explain reality for me in this seeking game. I AM NOT pretending to know something I DON’T. Despite writing above, it still feels like that I am constrained or caught up in this body…..and all the words and pointers will not loosen this feeling of constraint.
The end of seeking has surely nothing to do with words…and yet I still believe the thought that I have not found despite being unable to find any I.
ta ta for reading if you have.
Posted by anatta on 05.06.10 8:31 am
Hey Jacob. You don’t need to dissolve into being – you ARE it. Even the problems and that which we label “bad” are the appearance of it. The “problem” (only in terms of it involving suffering) is the belief in a “me” who is doing and thinking everything. When looked for, it is found that all this me is is a bunch of vague perceptions and thoughts which are then labeled “my body” and “my mind”. Who is this mythical me character? Look for it and you find it isn’t there except perhaps as a passing thought. What is present now?
So a thought arises, does it stay forever? Can I call that “me”? Do bodily sensations last forever? Is that “me”? No. What hasn’t changed one iota since consciousness arose into the play of Jacob and the world? I am not consciousness – this is proven every night while in deep sleep – it is absent but there is still being. What is left? Isn’t it merely what we could call presence? Who is the “you” that never changes? This is what is real.
Words are empty and powerless. Without consciousness, they have absolutely no meaning. We don’t need to believe anything – including the concept of non-duality. It all comes down to – what is present right now? Don’t let anyone including me tell you, look for yourself because all descriptions are bullshit. We don’t need to believe anything to BE, being comes first and stays when the show is over.
I don’t have any special knowledge nor do I speak with any kind of authority. The ultimate authority is that which all apparent living beings share and which can’t be negated. Throw all concepts aside and what is left, right now?
Posted by gilbert on 05.06.10 9:40 am
Psychological pain or suffering is unnecessary. Most therapy does not work because it all supports the belief in there being ‘someone’ there.
There is no answer in the mind. The mind is just a series of patterns, ideas, thoughts, feelings, emotions, concepts, memories. Therapy has its place in the scheme of things. However, it is rare that anyone walks away clear of any more therapy. The therapist and the patient get locked into a mind game (in my opinion). Of course saying such things is volatile if the reader is a Psychologist or whatever.
They don’t like the ‘pointer stick’ being focus on them as a problem.
Nothing NEW can come from the mind….it is all ‘yesterday’.
The natural state of pure functioning (prior to thought) is always present. usually it is the undercurrent. In pausing thought it comes to the fore. Because it is subtle, it is usually not noticed.
One must taste the no thought ‘state’ a few times before one recognizes that clean awareness is not absent.
The story of me is a habit and habits can be broken.
Too many words cover up the subtleness of being.
Posted by fernando on 05.06.10 9:57 pm
«Consciousness is here. But there is nothing here to ‘be’ anything. You are conscious, but you are not a conscious entity. Consciousness is itself – not a ‘thing,’ and not needing an entity to ‘be’ conscious. And this consciousness is the very thing you call a ‘felt sense.’ So your felt sense is not wrong at all, it’s just that you are inventing and inserting an imaginary conscious entity into the picture that isn’t there AT ALL. Only the consciousness is here. That is you.
Sometimes we say, ‘I know all this! Tell me something new! Tell me something that will set me free permanently! I know I am consciousness but… !’ Even when there is a deep understanding that we really are the consciousness, EVEN this is mistaking ourselves to be an entity who ‘is’ consciousness. This taking yourself to be ‘something’ is the root cause of suffering. Who are you really?
You are no entity. Consciousness is, without a ‘being.’ You know this consciousness as your ‘felt sense.’ This is your true nature. Don’t add a being onto this who ‘knows’ or ‘feels’ or ‘understands,’ or even one who ‘is’ this! You are nothing that ‘is.’ And yet here you are, conscious.
This sounds paradoxical, but it isn’t at all, once you see that ‘things’ are only mental constructs. Putting aside all mental constructs, there is no ‘thing,’ nothing that ‘is.’ And that includes you.
Just this consciousness!»
– Annette Nibley
Posted by Jacob on 05.06.10 11:57 pm
cheers amegos the me is doing its best to still run the show ,much appreciated ,
Posted by fernando on 05.07.10 12:59 am
There is just ONE Reality, ONE Life, ONE Consciousness, ONE Existence…
There is nothing separate from this ONE.
‘Multiplicity’ is only IN the appearance and the appearance is ONE too.
ONE Consciousness. ONE Appearance. NO separation.
Separation is conceptual.
Without thought there is NO separation anywhere. And this conceptual separation is the prerequisite of suffering.
Posted by anatta on 05.07.10 2:34 am
Jacob, the “me” has never ran the show. It hasn’t ever done a thing and doesn’t even exist! All is being, not me-ing.
When one struggles against a thought, it’s like trying to put out a fire with a flamethrower. The thinker who would control is also only a thought. All stances for or against anything are perpetuations of illusion. ALL thoughts will pass and presence will still be present. Look for your self. Look for yourself.
Concepts are confusion. The simplest thing is being pointed to – when thought ceases, do you cease to be? Is awareness an idea? No – it simply IS. We mistake our selves for thoughts and sensations but, even in the absence of these – I AM. What we are gives rise to consciousness and, with it, all appearances.
Posted by gilbert on 05.07.10 11:49 am
A simple statement may appear to have far reaching implications.
It remains simple.
“Do not try to see through someone else’s eyes” – Siddharameshwar
Posted by piersede on 05.07.10 11:30 pm
Anatta, your comments are extremely inciteful. Thanks for posting.
Posted by Ronna on 05.08.10 6:12 am
Thanks Gilbert for the reminder that recognition appears to happen when you investigate what you are and this has to be done by ‘yourself’.
Posted by fernando on 05.08.10 7:34 am
Pause thought for an instant…
What’s left?
Does Living-ness stop? Does Being-ness stop? Does Seeing-ness stop?
Only words (and ALL resulting divisions) disappear!
Posted by gilbert on 05.08.10 2:28 pm
I rarely look at what is on the internet regarding Non Duality.
Last night I took a peek. There is so, so much and I only scratched the surface. A few sites resonated as genuine and devoid of ego games.
It seems that every man and his dog is a non duality teacher today. There are even university courses to ‘become’ an Advaita teacher. If that is not the most absurd thing I have ever heard, then I can’t think of anything more so at this moment. The intellect is a useful tool and we all know that but when it tries to ‘become’ something more than what it is, it can only pretend. The clean message gets smothered by the egoic messengers and all the worshiping of ‘knowledge’. Nothing new can ever come from mind. Taking vows and being subservient to some authority has nothing to do with Non Duality.
Sometimes, I wonder why I even bother with this ‘stuff’.
99.9999% of it is completely off the beam.
Posted by jesuisbenjamin on 05.09.10 2:10 am
Hi Gilbert, the last two podcasts are amazing! Thanks for sharing–really.
B.
Posted by Cat on 05.09.10 2:25 am
What is the point of complaining about it? How in the hell would anyone know if you (in particular) are the real deal? You are so pure and everyone else is crap is crap. Sounds like you need to get out more.
Posted by Ronna on 05.09.10 3:44 am
This site is very different from any other, clear and direct. It stands like a beacon among a sea of concepts, rip-offs, delusion,and spirituality in all its guises. There is NO answer in the mind, you are THAT. Investigate what you are . . . nothing else is needed.
Posted by Dogribb on 05.09.10 8:53 am
You don’t know the guru you only know his performance.But does it matter ? What then of Gilbert or Bob’s success rate ? Alfred Pulyan’s success rate was thought to be 70% and he only corresponded by post.Paul Hedermann suggests his success is measured by the number of people who don’t come back.Pure non duality suggests no one to get anything.No teacher,no teaching.This kind of stuff goes on add nauseum.
Perhaps your at the bottom of well. A rope is thrown down to save you and all you want to talk about is ,where did the rope come from ? Will it support me ?How much did it cost ? Is there a better rope ?..etc Your libel to have it thrown on your head.Take whats offered if you can
Posted by Cat on 05.09.10 11:38 am
Coming soon, a new production of the Wizard of Oz starring Gilbert as The Great and wonderful Oz, and Ronna as Dorothy. With a new twist, Dorothy, after exposing Oz, realizes she is already THAT. The end.
Posted by Sandy Jones on 05.09.10 12:12 pm
All images are just images being images within Awareness. Why worry about ‘them’ or what ‘others’ say or do. The value isn’t in the words; phony, dishonest or true. The value is not in the teacher, or study, or any of that. The importance isn’t in how many of those images resonate with the our preferences, or how many agree with us or disagree. It really is not about whether any of them are the real deal or not, whether any of them tell you they are more authorized than others, or if they are more ‘non-dual’ than others—
So what, it all makes no difference to Awareness Itself, which is the Identity being all images, all that is. To recognize one’s own identity to be all there is to the whole vast array of ‘things’ that seem to be ‘out there’, that’s where the Joy and Freedom is. To realize that they are not ‘out there’ ‘they’ are Here within the Awareness I am. And what Glorious Awareness I Am (we are). And no matter what ‘they do’ “good” or “bad” they do not affect, change, alter, or make a bit of difference to Awareness.
Now we are not fearful of the ‘ten thousand things’ nor do we condemn them, nor do we have to fight with them or prove our point to them, because we know the value isn’t there.
Awareness is our unshakable equanimity. It is This Eternal Allness which is being the Identity-I-am and is the Only Real Value.
No matter what goes on “out there” in the world, inevitably, always, in the end it comes down to being between me and God (God and you). This interface, here and now, This Presence Being All That I Am.
For myself, I learned to take no one’s word for it. If I liked what I heard then I put those words to the test and proved it for myself.
I listen to the Holy Councilor only, who teaches me directly-here, right here in my Heart.
The Heart sings and does astounding things within our experience.
Posted by gilbert on 05.09.10 1:20 pm
NO DOUBT.
If there is doubt, it needs to be exposed….and that is an opinion.
Can you alone expose your own doubt efficiently?
What appears ‘to be’ is not. What does not appear is.
WHO CARES?
Posted by gilbert on 05.09.10 5:50 pm
Thanks to the insightful wisdom of a Cat called Toto.
If the milk is not churned the butter will not appear.
If you imagine that there is someone here stirring up the beliefs of others, then you will also believe that there is someone there getting involved in some sort of drama.
The point is consistently pointed to that there is no ‘person’.
If you take a close look at this believed in ‘person’ you will not find anything there. If the belief carries on it just means that you have not looked closely enough.
There is no high moral ground to stand on. The imagined one who stands above everyone is an example of what needs to be recognized in oneself. That is the value of the ‘teacher’. Whether he is self-centered’ or free of the concept of ‘self’ makes little difference. The recognition must be your OWN and it is.
There are no ‘others’.
The fish, the bait and the hook are all appearance in ‘the water’.
Posted by Jacob on 05.09.10 6:30 pm
include the body in the seeing, i am undoubteadly here but no where to be found! couple of quotes from a cpulple of dudes maybe a dudess
Posted by Cat on 05.10.10 1:39 am
Give up all ideas you have about yourself, realize the falseness of the life story, and be what you already are…Ever present and perfect. JW
Posted by fernando on 05.10.10 2:42 am
There is ONLY knowing happening. Thoughts appear and disappear in that knowing – it is all THAT – One without a second.
The One expresses as the many – the appearance of many – yet the appearance is also One Appearance.
Just as there are no distinct separate reflections in a mirror (one mirror, one reflection), there is also no separate appearances in the One Appearance.
Drop the labels and the discriminating mind and see if you can separate anything in the appearance.
Recognize that SEEING is not post mind translations. All of our conceptual postulations about separation belong to the mind translations (appearances of thought). (…)
The mind seemingly divides THAT which can NEVER be divided. It always includes an aspect of ‘time’ to it. Words appear to divide ‘presence’.
But THIS MOMENT is all there is. Stay with this moment and SEE that these ‘stories of me’ cannot survive in this clear and present wakefulness. They lose their seeming power almost instantly. It is so simple.
There is NO TIME – time is mind and if you pause thought for the briefest so-called ‘moment’ the view is immaculately clear – infinite and unobstructed.
The resistance to SEEING this is the ‘me’ – the story of ‘me’.
And it is all made of words and memories, past experiences – and the ever present EXPERIENCING is uninterrupted – Ever-Present, and THAT is what you are.
You have NEVER actually MOVED AWAY from THAT. (…)
– Gilbert Schultz
Posted by suki on 05.10.10 3:11 am
Thought is not your enemy. Regardless, of what ‘you’ think you think and what you think you know – none of it can negate the fact that you ARE.
Everything is illuminated and known by the lightless light of Knowing/Awareness, including the unassailable fact of your own Being.
Posted by gilbert on 05.10.10 7:56 am
Fernando. I started reading the comment you posted and thought, “This is very clearly stated”, then it started to feel quite familiar, then I looked at the end and saw my name. Writing happens all by itself.
Where do you find these quotes Fernando?
Posted by Will on 05.10.10 5:21 pm
This from Annette Nibley, as ever, right on the mark:
“”You do not have to think about what you are. You do not have to remind yourself of what you are, over and over until it becomes automatic. When you are clear on what you are, the issue never comes up.
It’s a rather immature spiritual attitude that leads to beliefs and practices like that. They have at their core an idea that there is some achievement needed – getting this “knowing” or “resting” to become automatic, for instance. This is the goal, that something will become automatic at some point.
Goals and achievements of any kind belong in some other kind of space entirely, where there are beings and entities who go around needing things and accomplishing things.
You are not any of those things. Recognize the mistake you are making in identifying with a “thing” in that fictional space.
If you are thinking that you’re on the right track by doing something over and over until it is automatic, you’re going to be doing that a long time. It will never stop.
Recognize that you are not that thing which needs to do something over and over to get a better experience later. You are identifying yourself with that thing, and you are not a thing.
What you are is not a thing, and what you are cannot be identified with. As yourself, you identify with nothing. And yet you are here. This sense of being here – can it just be, without being identified with? If it is not identified with, does it go away?
You do not have to think about this. “”
Posted by fernando on 05.10.10 11:20 pm
Hi Gilbert.
Yes. It’s a comment (very clear pointing) you wrote on 07.17.09.
Warm regards
F
Posted by Cat on 05.11.10 3:24 am
Repetition has its place in the realm of the human condition. There are many things that need to be repeated until they become automatic. Driving a car for example or walking (initially anyway) requires repetition until it becomes ‘automatic’. Doing any simple or complicated task (outside of natural functioning) requires repetition to be automatic. Nisargadatta contemplated over and over for a period of three years the “I AM’ until it became automatic to be spontaneous. What does Anette Nibley expect you to do, nothing?
Posted by fernando on 05.11.10 5:14 am
There is nothing to do for BEING what you are.
Being-Knowing is always here and now.
What you think you are appears (and disappears) IN what you always ARE.
You don’t need to remember what you are (repetition implies duality).
‘Human condition’ appears (and disappears) IN un-conditional Being-Knowing.
Posted by WallyD on 05.11.10 7:17 am
In the appearance of things There is seeking, there is reading of non duality books, listening to podcasts on nonduality, and going to meetings at peoples houses where these things are discussed.
There is no one doing any of these things, but to say they aren’t happening or shouldn’t happen is stupid. Nothing has to happen for us to be what we already are, that is obvious. Seeking happens until seeking no longer happens. I don’t have to drink coffee to get to some future goal or to get to the next level, but I’m going to do it anyway unless I stop, than I wont. None of that is up to a fictional me. In other words We can say you don’t need to do anything to be what you already are, but the truth is there was never anyone doing anything in the first place, and maybe for some after a little seeking that will be seen. I thought I was an independent separate entity running my life, trying to control every aspect of it to get what I wanted.
Including doing lots of things to become enlightened so I would no longer feel depressed and I would be in bliss all the time.
Than after much repetition of the Clear pointers such as the ones given here on this very podcast, It was just understood that that was all a misunderstanding and that there is no separation and that any problems I think that I have are a figment of imagination.
Bliss is just as much bullshit as depression its all in mind.
The only place we have to look for the solution is in the mind and it cannot be found there.
There is no solution because there is no problem, I was seeking a solution that doesn’t exist, to a problem that didn’t exist, for a person that didn’t exist. No wonder I was so depressed.
Posted by gilbert on 05.11.10 11:17 am
So long as there is belief in a ‘me’ that can ‘do’ something, then the question of ‘doing’ will be a reoccurring ‘appearance’. In that case, all your life there has been full of ‘doer-ship’. SO, it is even logical to USE that belief and ‘do’ what needs to be done. Taking an impotent position is so common these days in so-called ‘Non Dual Circles’ (a silly phrase at the best of times – but common). I know a few who try to convince others that they are clear. It can be a great demonstration of what goes on in oneself. Watching a few of them together is fascinating. Each one believes they are clearer than the others and the tussle can go on for hours. Heated arguments and endless frustration – over nothing. And they believe they have transcended the ego. My goodness.
The spiritual position of Impotency is just a contrived mind game and is frustrating. ‘I am a good person’ stinks of delusional mind.
We must USE the mind to understand the mind.
The most dynamic thing that anyone can ‘do’ is investigate what they are. Only when the fantasizing spiritual self-image is in abeyance will a genuine impulse have enough energy to break through the facade. The potentiality of what you truly are is dissipated usually into the believed in entity. Therefore confusion reigns.
Use the me to investigate the me. Be conscious of this consciousness.
It is easy in hind sight to advise ‘others’
Without naming anyone: Some so-called ‘teachers’ are celebrated as being ‘Clear’ when in fact they are not clear at all. Much of the so-called ‘clarity teachings’ that are floating about have all been ‘learned’ – taken on board by the mind. When you come across a clear messenger, there is a sense of ‘growth’ in being. Insights begin to happen spontaneously. There is a KNOWING that I am on the right track, at last.
Usually the mind contrives so much and a fabricated self-calming practice always leads to intense suffering.
This is why one sees so much suppressed suffering in popular spiritual groups. They sprout the correct lingo but it sounds ‘wrong’ or empty of anything genuine. Franchised Truth is a good business and my goodness, there is plenty of it about. it is almost sickening to hear ‘pointers’ wrapped up into a sales pitch.
The UGC avoids such salesmanship usually. There may be one or two thrown in for good measure. Contrast is a useful tool.
Posted by gilbert on 05.12.10 2:49 pm
Part 3 of these programs will be appearing very soon. UG Krishnamurti was so radical in his pointing that most teachers, in his time, had nothing pleasant to say about him. Why? Because he exposed too much of the B.S. that most teachers ‘teach’. Really hearing what he shares can be enough to cut through years of erroneous belief. The ‘me’ resists – but that resistance will disappear when the body disintegrates. Why wait till then?
Posted by gilbert on 06.08.11 9:39 pm
All your questions are born out of mind. Mind is time. The clear and obvious, right now, is rejected because it dissolves the belief in the ‘me sense in time’. This program has a very clear message. Few hear it. The seeker does not want to knock on the door of finality. It would be the end of seeking. It is all mind stuff.