86. Being Ordinary – Mike and Tom
Posted June 21, 2010
By gilbert
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I have a good laugh at it all. I am actually very ordinary and appear to live an ordinary life. Creativity is set free once the ‘me fixation’ is cast aside. Also the mention of donations may not be popular for some. We have almost two thousand downloads on some of our programs and of those maybe 5 – 10 listeners actually donate now and then. Someone new donates out of the blue once in awhile. The internet is a culture of free access and that is apparently changing the world. What we offer is FREE and has to be free. ‘People’ take so much for granted and they don’t realize how much ‘time and effort’ is given to these ‘free items’ by one or two behind the scenes.
Who cares? I give freely – it is pleasant when someone shows some appreciation and I thank all those who have taken the trouble to donate in the past. Thank you.
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We can call it insight or in-seeing. This in-seeing does not come and go. Prior to a clear insight it appears that this in-seeing is rarely present and ‘after’ the clear insight it is known that in-seeing is all that there IS. What ever the mind does with the ‘seeing’ is of no consequence and nothing sticks, except in the appearance of things.
Do not expect many, if any, to understand what you say about this.
You may find your own unique way to speak about it, one that resonates with others. It is truly amazing and the fact that ‘the world’ misses it is also amazing. ”
Thanks so much Gilbert. Your incessant, relentless pointing along with the variety of clear speakers that have been kind enough to share the message through this wonderful site has finally brought me to where I have always been. How the hell could I ever have been anywhere else? Dogmatic ways are held to tightly as some believed in security, and they are themselves the limiting factor. Ideas and concepts are EMPTY. By EMPTY I mean they hold no value, except for some fictional, BELIEVED IN, entity. This fictional entity is itself an appearance. Does a seed have the choice on whether or not to grow into a tree? NO! So how could a believed in entity have any choice either? Both are objects in awareness. Neither has the power to do a damn thing. Right now, drop all concepts and SEE. What is there?…
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Ramana Maharashi has said that the mind (thoughts of self) never returns, perhaps he meant return with power…
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Ramana’s words contain exactly as much truth as the sound of a chirping bird or a Pope telling you it’s a mortal sin to put your finger in your mouth.
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Scarfox. Of course these kind of statements by Ramana, and other clear speakers, are the apparent cause of so much misunderstanding, only because they are conceived of with a self-center right smack in the middle, which implies “I don’t experience that”.
So, let me put it in very simple terms that anyone can understand.
Do you remember the first time you saw through a mirage of water?
Did a mirage of water ever truly convince you that there was water in it, after you had seen through the mirage? It may have caught you out for a few seconds a few times maybe. Today, you do not believe in the mirage of water. The mirage still appears to be water but you KNOW it isn’t, more or less instantly.
So, it is the same with this ‘thoughts of self’, they may still appear to come and go but you KNOW that there is no ‘self’ that has any substance or independence. BELIEF is the apparent cause of all these ‘problems’. Belief in a self-center that is not actually here or there.
All the ‘problems’ that ‘we’ appear to have are due to two sets of two apparently different factors.
Identity and Boundary. And Perception and Seeing. Seeing, immediacy, belongs to naked Being and Perception belongs to mind, process.
Investigate any of these aspects of being or mind and realize your true nature.
No one can do it for you.
In the instant of a genuine intention to discover what is, a response comes from intelligence and intelligence ‘acts’ – it cuts through the erroneous beliefs and all resistance is put aside. In one instant the whole matrix of belief is rendered passive.
Why would you ever believe in the ‘me’ again, if it has been seen through?
It still appears to be real and the belief that it is real appears in the apparent ‘others’ who still believe a ‘me’ in themselves.
Such is the drama of life. It is the best show in town.
See complete reply on my website – Gilbert.
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It is SO ordinary that it is overlooked, in constant search for the extraordinary, in constant effort to change experience into something good, into something desirable, into something less fearful. Yet in searching elsewhere that ordinary is seemingly missed – the response is “I am not there yet”.
What is the MOST ordinary and obvious thing in ANY experience? What is the most basic sense of beingness you know? Isn’t it that aware-ful-ness of the subject, right now? Isn’t it that the so-called subject or ME throughout a lifetime of experience hasn’t been this “person” but awareness itself? A space-like knowing presence? A limitless boundless opening through which the world, body and mind are known?
Being some “thing” is imagination. All “things” are only so in projection, what the mind says it is. Yet mind is ALWAYS another thing in your experience, another appearance in that space.
It is so ordinary and obvious that it is being overlooked right now, as these words are put through the analytical wringer, chopped and diced to find the spiritual gold somewhere.
Where are you looking from? Can you get behind that? Have you ever left that? Is appearance something outside that? Or is the content and the container one reality?
You don’t even have to look closely for it – it is unavoidable. Seeing is happening.
Very ordinary.
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The most intense suffering arose this morning a pattern which has been there for 20 odd years. A feeling of no escape from it brought the thought of ‘just shove that knife in your throat’ whilst i was washing up, suicide seems the easy way out at the time of such intense feelings. All this was going on whilst my kids so freely played about my feet and my wife doing her best to accept the perfect expression of evil being aimed at her. She’s amazing. a silent cry for help is here, though I have all the help necessary right here in these podcasts and comments, how can anyone miss this it’s so obvious. Well I ask the same question to my self and the usual reply is. -YOU THICK BASTARD !
Psychological suffering is not necessary, the day I can confirm that with you will be the most magical moment of my life. x
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Jacob, you said:
“Psychological suffering is not necessary, the day I can confirm that with you will be the most magical moment of my life.”
This is exactly where the problem lies. Can you see that what stands in the way is “you” (who you think you are). You want confirmation but it is said over and over again that YOU can never get this but you go on searching, right ? trying to get it . All this psychological suffering for a someone that,in truth, does not exist. Yes, it appears to be real but is it ? Perhaps when you can see that ‘you’ and ‘me’ are just appearances in the isness of this moment,there may be an insight into your true nature. The psychological suffering arises because you see yourself as a separate self and see others as separate from you. Give it up and there it is but remember YOU will never get this because there is no knower to know this. It is its own knowing. Rest in ‘not-knowing’.
Shit, you tried everything else, haven’t you ?
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Jacob, Beating up on yourself has never helped before, so why will it help now? The old patterns have no power whatsoever. The mind has no power whatsoever. To overthrow these ‘memories’ they need to be dismantled consciously. When you are ready, call it back and go into it, expand it and just see that it is just thoughts. The inner conflict is suffering because there is some belief in these patterns. Do not be afraid of them. How can a mere memory harm you. It has no substance, just like a ghost has no substance.
We appear to harm ourselves through imagination.
Belief in a ‘me’, a self center is the cause of all our problems.
Unhappiness or depression is due to the fact that so much activity goes on around the belief in ‘me’…… AND there is no ‘me’. It is just an image of self. If you SEE that the cause (me) is not real, then the effects must also be unreal.
However, if you feel that you just cannot deal with it, you may need to get some professional help.
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Thanks man. done the professional route many times psychotherapy, hypnosis, counciling, homeopathy, transformational course ran by landmark education, anti depressants some gave some relief but not the real deal – always lurking ready to pounce, I want to nail it once and for all now x
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Skype call me Jacob.
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Where I am SEEING from, NOTHING is happening.
Something ‘happens’ only in space-time, and space-time is just APPEARANCE.
Actually, NOTHING ever happened.
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This stuff is so special. In an ordinary kind of way.
I may have made a confrontational comment or two, and why not, but i must say that now life is seen as it is, the need to comment is less and the appreciation for all of this is immense.
I live near the fields of Wiltshire, UK, where some may know that there appears, at this time of year, beautiful formations in the crops.
I have been visiting these phenomena for a few years and perception is constantly changing.
At first there was a need to know. Who. What. Why.
But now it is the meetings with other people within the formations that is so interesting.
I only raise this because there is a parallel with the whole seeking trip.
At first i wanted to know who i was, what i was, WHY i was. And this led to many hours and years reading other peoples words, listening to other peoples opinions and ultimately ended in dissatisfaction. (Even though i may have pretended that I was on a path and it was cool!)
In the past year or so this enquiry seems to have disappeared and now there is just a seeing of how life flows. And with the flow, when it is genuine, authentic (whatever), there appears connectivity. It just feels right. And other like minded people appear (and dissappear) in that flow. And even the idea of like mindedness appears not so important. Just openess is all thats sought now.
Grateful for this ongoing plumb-line. Mark x
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‘Stop imposing limits on your infinite being.’ I guess when we identify with the appearance we automatically set limits on what we are. It just seems so darn hard to stop wanting to be something else. Sometimes the future does not look friendly so there then appears some underlying need to want to change what is. How do you stop doing that? Just asking.
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“The future”? – No such thing.
(Ed: The present is also a concept)
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You are not doing anything. Did you make that body of yours? Did you choose your height? Did you choose the last breath? Did you choose to digest the last meal? When did ‘you’ come onto the scene as a choice maker? Can you find ‘the thinker’? LIFE is all inclusive.
All the dramas of the universe and all the dramas of life on this spec of dust called planet Earth, have not amounted to anything that can ever stick to space. Like the clouds, it all appears and disappears.
Has any cloud ever been stuck to the open sky? Has any thought ever been truly fixed in the mind? Does the ‘me’ have any substance?
Right here, right now, everything is clear and obvious. Wanting to change what is, is the problem. Who is that, that wants to change what is?
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Cat, all that is ever pointed at here is precisely that the one who you think you are is but an imagined ‘me’, a dream person, a phantom – as transitory and unreal as passing clouds. This ‘me’ who you believe you are appears only in thought. And thoughts have no substance, no anchorage in the real, they appear and disappear, whether you like them or not. The thought ‘I want to change what is’ or ‘how do I stop to want to change what is?’ has no power what so ever. In any case, the question and the one who asks the question are inseparable and made of the same stuff. Thoughts are power-less and harm-less altogether. Watch them appear and disappear, all the while ‘your’ body, senses, perceptions and the whole universe are already and always perfectly functioning, without there being anyone in control. Who knows this? Seeing-knowing is happening. Full stop.
(Ed: Through belief we punish ourselves – energy in conflict with energy. The same energy can bring the required recognition, simply by pausing thought – the mind throws up an excuse – ‘who is going to pause a thought’ – the same ‘you’ you believe has been causing all this trouble. Use it to investigate itself and SEE that it is just a thought.)
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Yes, thanks Gilbert, by releasing the energy invested in thought and simply being aware (which is already the case, only seemingly obscured by thought), the real and actual reveals itself. That’s why one has to see/investigate this for one self. Repeating “there is no me, there is no me…” won’t do the job…
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That which does not move, that which ever IS, that Awareness which is EVER PRESENT, that is which you REALLY are.
The ‘me’ story – ‘my’ story – what ‘you’ THINK you are, is NOT what you really are.
There is peace in what you ARE. There is conflict in what you THINK you are.
In that Spatious Emptiness which you REALLY are, there is Peace, there is Love, there is Freedom.
In what you THINK you are there is only turbulence and conflict between points of reference. The conflict is APPARENT, of course, because it appears and disappears, while what you REALLY are stands. It doesn’t EVER interrupt.
It IS.
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What we are is not in conflict
with anything that arises.
There’s nothing that’s unwanted.
There’s nothing that This isn’t.
All is the beloved.
Nothing can survive this fire.
Nothing can escape it.
There are no opposites.
I love you.
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Thanks for your comment Tim. However for the majority, those words may not ring all that true for them. Therefore there is conflict. Telling someone that their suffering is not real does not seem to help much. Therefore in the appearance of separation there appears ‘communication’ as ‘pointing’.
The confusion of mind is a ‘real’ thing for many. The directive is to investigate the self-center and see if it has any substance or independence. In this way confusion is cleared up.
Once confusion is cleared away, words such as the ones you have written may well ring true. Even though there are no entities stuck in phenomena, it sure appears that there are.
The UGC provides many programs that point at our true nature.
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Investigating the me……… so I’m putting on my socks, getting ready for work that sense of me doing it is there, yeah I’m putting my socks on, the thought is there, yep this is me doing this. So then the thought comes in, who is actually doing this? .. is Jacob putting his socks on? Where do you take the investigation from here man? …Is just pausing thought and noticing this, that I am here obviously, enough? Cheers.
(Ed: All activities are spontaneously happening. Notice whatever is happening. The ‘me thought’ is not there very often. Thinking that I am doing something is not necessary. The mind translates what is happening and a story is played. If what is happening is rubbing up against the image of self (me) then there will be resistance. The resistance is ME. “I don’t like this”. “I want this to go away”. “I have had enough of this shit”. “Why can’t I get this simplicity of non duality”.
Awareness is non dual – there is only one awareness. It is not yours or mine, it does not belong to anyone. Everyone APPEARS in this awareness. All and everything appear in or on this awareness. The thought ‘me’ or the sense of me appears on this awareness. Because it is a reference point that has not been investigated, it seems real. So, consciously GO INTO this sense of ME and see if you cna find anything with any substance apart from this natural activity of knowing. In other words, question this idea of ME and see what it is. In seeing that it is just an idea or a memory habit, then the spacious nature of awareness reveals itself to be NOT a thought or a concept. There is a natural knowing which does not have any form at all. It is space-like. That is the simple directive. Take it or leave it. My suggestion is to just do it.
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What ‘you’ think you are NEVER did anything.
How can an APPEARANCE – ‘you’ – do anything whatsoever? (your image in the mirror doesn’t comb your hair!)
If that ‘you’ is only an appearance… ‘Who’ is seeking? ‘Who’ is trying to awake?
There never was a ‘seeker’. There never was an ‘enlightened being’. ‘Seeking’ never REALLY happened.
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Jacob said: “Where do you take the investigation from here man? ”
… in your case, you take it no further. You must see that you, Jacob, can never get this. I sense that you are close to seeing this. So, if you must, go on searching and investigate a little further until you are TOTALLY fed up and exhausted.
What is happening is jacob is putting on his socks. Period. Why make it into something else ? Don’t try to figure it out ? Your mind will never get this. It lies beyond the mind and YOU can’t get there.
You must lose (give up) to win in this game. Again, I say, there is nothing in it for you. You are in the way of true seeing. Belief in ‘separation’ is what keeps the show going. Yes, it is the best show in town ! Don’t give this character ‘jacob’ much importance. It is the cause of all your sufferings.
As gilbert wrote : “Awareness is non dual – there is only one awareness. It is not yours or mine, it does not belong to anyone.”
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The essence of the investigation is ‘seeing’. Now, seeing is already happening. It appears that clear seeing comes and goes but it does not come and go at all. The minds ability to label ‘things’ is rudimentary and the limitations of mind are vast, compared to seeing-knowing.
This information appears to be nothing but an annoying expression but the confirmation of the fact that seeing is always present comes in the seeing through of the fixation ‘point’, which we call ‘me’.
The pointing is undeviating, although it is expressed in hundreds of ways. So long as there is a fixation that ‘someone’ will get something from all this, then the search will go on and on and on.
The simplicity is ‘Drop all concepts and see what is left’.
It must be what you are. That is formless and clear of all conceptualizations. it is the great perfection of simple, everyday awareness.
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There is a recent interview with one of the guest speakers, Kenneth Madden on ConsciousTV entitled ‘The Ordinary Is Extraordinary’. Thought it was kind of interesting and relevant to the discussion at hand, imo anyway.
Warm regards,Suki
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amegos , thanks x
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Are you present, right now? Are you here? Yes – you must be here to say yes or no.
Are you aware, right now? Yes. You must be aware to know the question.
Present and aware – those are the natural attributes of your Self. What is present and aware? Is it a body or mind? You are present and aware of a body and mind, yes?
Is the body-mind aware or is the body-mind another experience IN that presence of awareness?
Therefore if the experience called body or mind is known objectively, what is that which is knowing? Can you find it? Locate it? Put your finger on it? Describe it? What shape has it? What color? What dimensions? At which coordinates is it?
You are ever at a loss to discover anything objective about your Self. All you can say is “I AM” – yet you cannot say WHAT you are.
The mind, in trying to objectify that, places conditions upon it. It is conceptually limited in space – to a particular place and time.
Can you objectify your Self? Can you be aware of awareness? Can you see the seeing? No.
You can only BE that. The so-called subject of any experience is always awareness alone. Right now, is that not true?
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What mind?
Can you show it to me? Look for a mind and it cannot be found. Inquire, investigate. That is how one removes ignorance. The false cannot stand up to investigation.
Ignorant people label the Self or true consciousness and divide it into duality. Mind does not exist. All there is ever-present as oneself is the One Self. Call off the Search for there is nothing new or different to be discovered. There never was, Only to sell books and create religions that people use dualistic concepts of mind or ego. It is all illusion. Ignorance aka spirituality is the poison, not the cure. Forget everything and just like that, you are there, present as your true nature and that is all there is to realize. Thought come and thoughts will go, but you always remain present as unchanging awareness. Awareness is just another for being oneself. The concept of mind and ego is the camouflage to removed, nothing else. That is what the One without a second is all about.
Any ideology that there is a mind or ego is crap. Find out for yourself if what I am says is true of if I am just out of my mind
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WTF….What have you been smoking?
What are talking about IAM and not knowing what you are. That is all a bunch of non-sense. I am means awareness is present and self-shining effortlessly as oneself. When awareness is present or wakeful-ness, you undeniably know that you are. Present awareness means you are aware of being. Everyone knows and says I am. Nothing new under the Sun.
Know thyself. Knowing one’s true nature is to simply realize that to be and remain aware all day long or awake is the present awareness being pointed to as one’s thoughtless true nature nature, that is all.
I am represents being-ness. Sentience or wakeful-ness is what the words present-awareness means. Awareness of being present. Same thing.I am that, means I am consciousness self-shining naturally everyday as plain ordinary everyday wakeful-ness.
You must get to know your real self if you want to end the search for the Self that was never lost. All that is required is to realize that being aware is ‘present-awareness’, to be aware of being onself is I am, that knowing that you are present or awareness of being translates in english as I am, yo so in spanish, je suis in french etc. No matter what language you end up using, the presence of Life and awareness experienced directly by everyone sentience is what being the Self is all about. The Self is consciousness which just another name for Life itself. To be alive and aware is to abide as that.
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Why should anyone camouflage the simple Truth with confusion?
Know yourself as Life itself. Life is what we all are. That is what some people call God, the Oneness or the Self etc.
What effort do you have to make to be? Life is living itself natural as you and me. The concept of a holy or higher Self is a trap. There is one presence of consciousness which is not higher or lower.
It is present here and now as pure changeless being. Life does not know death. Life is the imperishable Self. You are already at the destination you have never left. Why so much confusion for pointing to the most plain, common and ordinary presence of existence we all like to be?
Seeing, hearing, feeling, smelling, thinking, isn’t it consciousness undeniably present? Who is the ‘knower’? Present awareness is the activity of knowing or being aware which is simply being awake. To be conscious, cognizant or simply being aware is ‘present-awareness’, what else would it be? So simple is the Reality.
Awareness is who you truly are. Although you cannot kiss yourself, you cannot negate it also. It is undeniable. It is I am.
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Why so much talk, talk, talk about something that does not exist.
The only obstacle to be removed is the false concept of mind, ego and duality. The Seeker is the sought.
You being the Self already cannot experience the Self. You are the One without two. You are already abiding as that, there is no before and there is no after. Because the experience is always here and now.
There is no mind to stop you or hold you back. There never were, that is the joke of it all.
Any one pointing to a mind wanting this or wanting that do not know themselves, the Oneness and are still believing in duality.
Paradoxically the you that wants to know the Self is the Self. You are the One, here and now you are that.
There is no separation from one’s own self and the Infinite Self both are one and the same. The infinite Self which is just a fancy name for ordinary consciousness is being oneself.
When you are looking for it you are always looking away from it.
You are what you Seek. Call off the Search. There is nothing spiritual or special to be found. One’s own existence is the Reality.
That is what I am represents. One’s own being.
The I present in I am is at once your affectionate self and the One self. I am or ‘I’ exist here and now needs no proof, that is the real experience itself. No one can deny one’s own being, I am is always with you as the knowing that you are.
There never was a small I and big I present as oneself,
dual-I-ty does not exist. Just a false notion that can only be acquired from religions scriptures and self-appointed spiritual Gurus. It is only a false notion. Just like the water in the mirage or the infinite a blue, if you go into space, what blue sky? It does not exist.
Separation and duality do not exist. Life is the Oneness expressing itself naturally. The nature of Life is consciousness and consciousness is the natural presence of intelligence that is governing your body and expressing itself naturally as you.
The I and consciousness are One and the same. Never lost or apart, the Self present is nothing other than one’s own self. You are the Self you Seek to know. Gee, you are you.
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Everyone is being lived and therefore is ego-less.
It is important to realize that “there is no me” simply means that there is no ego present or any other entity than consciousness present as oneself. Me, myself and I is and has always been ‘the One without a second’.
That is all, you still exist because consciousness is just another name for existence or Life. It is the living power and awareness we see present in all sentient beings.
The natural presence of Life within a dog, a rat, a cat, a bird, a sun flower, a butterfly or cockroach is the exact same presence of existence within your own dwelling or body. That is what the Oneness is all about. One Life present in all.
Just like one cannot separate oneself from space, (where would you go?)can you separate yourself from your own existence? Of course not! Can you affirm that you are dead or not alive.
The experience is always here and now. Life or existence is always presently. Can you exist a moment ago or the next moment? Presently is the actuality of existence and that is I am.
Alive-ness is conscious-ness. Abiding as one’s true nature or true Self is ordinary everyday existence. Just this and nothing else.
That is the Open Secret. When you are sick and tired of seeking, you find the true Self the very moment you stop. You are IT.
Nothing new or different, just being yourself just as you are. That alone is what the wise have recognized to be true for themselves.
The natural state of being oneself a.k.a. I am is that presence of consciousness or existence. It is not to be freshly acquired or experienced but simply recognized a being alive and aware.
Being the Self is being exactly just as you are and have always been.
Some people may massage you with spiritual crap but that is only for gratification or a fee.
Get to know your ordinary everyday self.After all, even if you do n ot realize right now, that is simply what you are seeking to find.
Chop wood and carry water, chop wood and carry water.
You won’t have a flash light, illumination or spiritual experience,
that is only illusion. Just a good laugh at yourself. You are happy to end the search for you. Funny no.
Anyone that tells you the Self or true consciousness is something new, special or spiritual is enticing with a spiritual carrots and feeding you crap.
Beware of spiritual people that will confuse you and that are enticing Seekers by pretending to special, spiritual or holy.
Any enlightened beings or buddha you see on the road is a fraud, run him over with a truck. To keep them as your company is to only cultivate the false or the greatest illusion and look for the Reality in the wrong direction.
Understand what is being pointed as your true nature.
No one can give you what you already are. It is impossible.
All that needs to be done is to remove the veil of ignorance.
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Jesus Jean Pierre, who popped your cork? Is that all for the moment or do you want another few pages? Give it a rest JP. “Run him over with a truck” – Jesus wept. Keep it simple and brief and drop the Bullarias.
Anyone who wants more of JPG, can find him on his website – he is a flute maker, so I believe. Probably makes peace pipes too. What YOU been smokin’ JP?
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PS, I do not smoke, I do not drink, do drugs and get high,
I am just naturally sizzling…… Not a maker of peace pipes either.
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Jesus is dead! Christianity is just another scam or religion based on fiction. Do you really believe someone walked on water and raised the dead? Funny.
When I see all the wrong spiritual knowledge or pointers being posted this blog camouflaged as Truth, it makes it hard to not point to what is real and what is illusion, apparently you have a control issue of what is being posted this site and control is not Freedom or perhaps the simple Truth pinches you and your beliefs.
Question all your acquired spiritual and religious beliefs, take a good look at yourself and if you want to keep me muzzled, you will have tough time. Drink if you are thirsty or take me out of your site if you do not like it. Truth hurts. That is what it does, it tears down love for illusion or attachments to the false. Truth is like a bitter medicine and for some that are veiled it can be very hard to swallow for some. They go on kicking and screaming like little girls.
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Hey why did you sensor my last posting….
Are you scared for the Truth to come out?
If you were comfortable with yourself you should be happy.
This is just a Free gift to understand what the Reality is truly all about. Surprised that when someone says ‘you cannot know what you are’ it is seen as wisdom where in reality to know thyself is the greatest wisdom, if you have to have one question, let it be who am I?
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Here we go again…Jesus is dead! Christianity is just another scam or religion based on fiction. Do you really believe someone walked on water and raised the dead? Funny.
When I see all the wrong spiritual knowledge or false pointers being posted on this blog camouflaged as Truth, it makes it hard to not point to what is real and what is illusion, apparently you have a serious control issue of what is being posted this site and control is not Freedom or perhaps the simple Truth pinches you and your acquired beliefs.
Question all your acquired spiritual and religious beliefs, take a good look at yourself and if you want to keep me muzzled, you will have tough time. Drink if you are thirsty or take me out of your site if you do not like it. Truth hurts. That is what it does, it tears down love for illusion or attachments to the false. Truth is like a bitter medicine and for some that are veiled it can be very hard to swallow for some. They go on kicking and screaming like little girls.
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No one censored your comments Jean Pierre. You are clearly showing your true colors amigo. The system sometimes takes a while to post a comment. If you are a Hot Head wanting some drama, then go elsewhere.
I used the word Jesus as a means of expression. No one suggested that Jesus is alive or dead. If you insist on being a drama queen you will be removed. Keep in clean and simple. We don’t need another guru here thanks. This is a guru free Cafe. If you persist in being a dork, all your comments will be removed. So where is your clarity now?
Go play your flute somewhere else, if you cannot be civil and show some respect. – Gilbert.
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“To knoww thyself” is precisely to see that there is nothing to know, and nobody who could know. Whom do you try to convince, jean pierre?
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Further more Jean Pierre, all this drama is your own making. Truth does not tear anything apart or down. What is true is true. What is false is false. They never meet. But obviously they are mixed up in your own mind and you see devils at play where there are none. Your idle threats are indicative of an unbalanced mind. I seem to remember a drama years ago over your antics. Looks like you are still turning on the same old piece of ground. You pretend to be beyond the ‘ego’ yet you demonstrate quite clearly that you are offended by something.
Then you make threats as if you are an agent of the Truth. It is ALL in your mind my friend. I am sure many will get some entertainment from you antics. My guess is that you have been ousted from all the other non duality comment sites and now you want to have your drama on this site. Stop accusing ‘people’ of symptoms that belong to YOU.
Chill out.
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Non Duality is not something to use to sort out your personal problems.
It is not a forum for arguments. If anyone has persistent anxiety over their identity and a simple inquiry into that believed in identity does not resolve the problem, then professional help may be necessary.
Pretending to be a teacher is not recommended. Mental illness is a huge problem in society. Either get to the core of the problem quickly and solve it or get the required help necessary. If you suffer from depression and are on medication, have a talk to Charlie Hayes. He has been ‘through the it all’. If you follow the advice of some deluded teacher, it will not help.
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Wow Claudia, take a shower and wake up!
Apparently you have been hypnotized that you cannot know yourself.
Well, like the old saying goes, “one can take a horse to the water but cannot make him drink”.
If that is your wisdom on your journey of self-discovery, I pity you…
If you strongly believe that there is no one and you do not exist, you are wrong. The simple Truth is that you are the one and existence itself. So simple.
Get to know your real self and if you know yourself you will know the Oneness to be Life itself or consciousness which is naturally present in the animal kingdom, mineral kingdom, vegetable kingdom and human kingdom.
You see the expression of consciousness in nature and where ever you look, it is there.
The bottom line is that you are.
One cannot negate one’s own self. Can you really? It is not possible.
Get to know your real self and then you will know me.
After all, what else do you have to go for yourself other than that you cannot deny being.
Here and now you are is the only certainty of existence or being present right here and right now. You know that you are. Present awareness is the knowing that you are. ‘I’ is.
Realize that when you are talking about no one. You have read too many spiritual books. That is only spiritual B.S. and denial.
The ‘I’ present simply means that ‘you’ exist. Consciousness is the ‘I’. That is all what consciousness truly is, existence itself is self-shining as one’s own self and being.
No one wise can deny their own affectionate self and negate being, I am is always certain and that present awareness or awareness of being present as oneself needs no proof, does it?
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Sounds like you’re basically saying, “That is a FALSE concept, Claudia. Here’s the TRUE concept:” …and then you make a bunch of noises.
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Yes Jean Pierre, you have learned all the right things to say but you fly off the handle and accuse ‘people’ of things that are fictional.
Admit it, you are a hot head. The last thing we need here is some hot headed ‘teacher’ going bananas and posting endless comments. I told you keep it brief and drop the abuse and the assumptions about folks you know nothing of. Go do your good works and be quiet. Save all the seekers – but maybe you can do it somewhere else – thanks.
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Jean Pierre. You say “Why so much talk, talk, talk about something that does not exist”. We have never had anyone make so many comments in such a short space of time EVER on this site before YOU. So I put your own question back to you -”Why so much talk, talk, talk about something that does not exist”.
Contrary to what you say in another comment above about self knowledge……….Bob Adamson points out frequently -”You CANNOT know what you are. You know that you are but you cannot know what you are”.
That is a FACT.
So now you will argue with your own teacher, or do you now deny that Bob was the one who pointed you to your true nature?
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LOL. Reading all these posts, it’s funny to think about all the different perspectives and it’s a good reminder that there are always a trillion angles on the same story. The story we are all reading is nothing other than life itself. Life is beyond interpretation and yet endless interpretations rise and fall spectacularly short. Bottom line is there is no objective reality and every apparent story is false and yet at the same time only awareness in its essence. Greg Goode goes through an awesome inquiry into apparent objects to reveal they can be nothing other than awareness. Yet it’s incredible that the illusion of something other than awareness can be the sum of an equation involving only awareness. How the hell does that happen?? God damn mystery if you ask me.
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Wow ! welcome to the Jean Pierre Gomez show !
… something tells me that this is not the real Jean Pierre Gomez. It appears to me that this imposter is using J P’s website to gather information to use it here and is using J P’s link as his own.
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Who cares about Gurus, I am not a Guru lover but a Guru killer.
I point to the false to be false and the Reality is self-revealed!
All that should matter to you is if what am I saying is true or false. I have nothing to sell and not seeking to get followers.
What is there to be lost if one is comfortable with what they know.
Obviously, if I did I would tell them only what they want to hear. Love, peace and happiness are the sought-after states blind
fools chase after and are easily parted from their money.
I am not looking to win a popularity contest….
Why try to change, alter or modify what and how I express myself?
Is it uncomfortable to find out if I am right or wrong?
You find out and see if you want to or just flush it down the crapper, it does not matter what you do with any of my pointers.
Who knows, perhaps some will get a little wiser about the false notion of ‘mind’ and share the simple truth about the absolute Reality.
All there is present is consciousness. What mind can there be when all there is ever-present is consciousness? Can there be a mind in Oneness? There is no room in Omni-presence for anything else to exist. Funny no.
Again, I am not a sheepo or Guru lover or a worshiper of illusion.
By the way is that Gilbert Shultz I am chating with?
Anyhow, am I supposed to make people falsely believe there is a mind to go beyond of a finite self present anywhere?
Because that is false knowledge.
There never was a spiritual self or spiritual
presence to reached or be attained.
Plain, ordinary everyday existence is the Reality.
There are no spiritual goals to be reached.
In reality we all are already beyond the so call mind.
Be still and see that being oneself is always being the One Self.
Who else would it be?
Not knowing oneself is the only illusion of mind.
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Ralph, I don’t think so. Jean Pierre has always been a mixed bag. I am pretty sure it is he. Years ago Jean Pierre went into a tirade over someone ‘stealing’ his words and posting them on a website as their own. The funny thing was that almost all the words were word for word what he had heard when he visited Bob Adamson. It does not matter. The message can be spoken by a parrot and if it is really heard, it can bring what is necessary. Bob has been holding meetings for over 30 years and the message has been the same, more or less. It is amazing how his ‘pointings’ have found their way into the ‘teachings’ of so many contemporary teachers today. When there is true understanding, the same words may be expressed sometimes, only because they are accurate. The core of it all is the same.
Much of what Jean Pierre says is correct. It is the accusations of being censored and the nonsense about him being an agent of truth that rings the alarm bells. Who cares? If JP thinks he can badge in here and throw his weight around like some new found savior, he will get trashed pretty quickly. Have a look at his website and see if he acknowledges his visit to Bob Adamson. I don’t think he does. Before he saw Bob he was a desperate seeker. Respect seems to be missing somehow. Who cares?
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Yes, yes to wake up,
sometimes you need a good slap.Ice bucket will also do.
Then you go “oh, I forgot myself and wandered everywhere looking for myself, but now I remember… I remember who I am.
It is like people comfortably sitting inside a pool of crap,
you pass by the pool and you compassionately extend your hand for them to easily get out, but instead they go, oh no, no, no it is so warm and so cozy here, I am so comfortable with this crap, whatever you do, please do not make any ripples.
The jean Pierre show, enjoy it while it last.
Who wants to impersonate me? Wouldn’t that be crazy?
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What a circus. A new clown brightens up the show….for awhile.
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Haaa
It is the Gilbert Shultz that wanted lots of money to edit my web site.
Of course I am the one, do you truly believe others would share the way I share. Yes the wheelers and shultzs,all they ever wanted is money from me and from others. Isn’t that right? Funny that you are so concerned about the very guy you sent to edit my web site. Don’t you remember?
Truth or dare.
Put that up, why not? It is True isn’it? We spoke on the phone and you send some clown to edit my site and he ended up making a book full of distorted pointers and wrong knowledge about the Reality.
It is so laughable.
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“wrong knowledge about reality”? Must be nice to have the “right knowledge”. Wanna be my guru? Where should I send my check?
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Bob talks about intelligence energy, I talk about consciousness.
Both are simply different names pointing to existence or Life.
Bob shares it his own way and I share it my way. Like all snow flakes are unique, who can say that what I share on my site is the same message as Bob? Does Bob negates the very existence of mind?
I do! Not because Bob told me, but because that is what I found it to be true.
Bob asked me to share this message in early 2005 and I have been sharing it since then, that is just the way consciousness is expressing itself as me
look at my web site and see for yourself if what I say is true.
What do you see there or read there that reminds you of Bob?
Perhaps you are not paying attention.
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Jean Pierre, I do not remember being asked to edit your website at all.
I don’t remember speaking to you ever and I never sent you any clown as far as I can recollect.
You are getting things all mixed up it seems. As for money, there is no money in this ‘stuff’. If there were, after ten years of ‘doing’ this, I would be loaded.
The ones who make money are telling whoppers and loving every minute of it. Anyway, all this drama over nothing is boring. Just take a look at the number of comments you have made. It seems you are on a mission – and it is all pissing in the wind. You just get covered by your own excrement. Keep it simple, say what needs to be said and stop pretending to be a guru, for Christ’s sake.
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So is there a mind to grasp consciousness or is there simply consciousness wanting to know itself?
Is the Self simply wanting to kiss itself?
What do believe is present as oneself? Investigate yourself. Self-inquiry is to see what is real by getting rid of the false.
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If you want to talk about crap out there, we can do that some other time, all I care about is pointing to the consciousness. Nothing else.
All that bla, bla about this or about that is just a distraction from what really matters. That you like me or dislike me, I do not care.
Again, let the pointers speak for themselves and forget about what was.
Understanding is all that is required to remove the false notion odf separation, duality and bondage.
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Okay, so I took a look at your website Jean Pierre. What stands out most is the use of the words ‘Idiots’ and ‘Butt-heads’. This kind of abusive language is very telling. It says a lot more about you than any of the other words. Contrary to your opinion, this site is about clear pointing. Now, if you wish to continue here with making comments, why don’t you stick to clear pointing. I can play ego games with the best and worst of ‘them’. It is all entertaining for sure but it does not serve all that well with what we are pointing at.
If you have some personal issues with me, then email me. All this nonsense is not all that welcome here. This site has seen quite a bit of controversy over the last 2 years. Enough already.
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Jean Pierre wrote: “So is there a mind to grasp consciousness or is there simply consciousness wanting to know itself? ”
So then my question would be, how can consciousness know itself without the use of the mind ?
Do we not use the mind to know the mind to go beyond the mind ?
…or is there some other way ? in other words, how does one awaken ?
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Gilbert, here is my finale entry on your blogsite, so rejoice!
You won’t have to feel threatened anymore.
You acknowledge that most of what I shared is true,
then according to you what do I share about consciousness or one’s true nature that is not true. I would like you to point it to me.
I am interested to your view on consciousness or the Reality.
Answer this few questions on your blog for all to see,
after all, I personally know that there is no mind.
Not because I read it in a book or some one else told me so,
but because it was revealed to me on my self-recognition of my true nature aka consciousness.
Now for you, do you believe there is a finite self
or a mind present anywhere that is striving to know the Infinite Self?
Is there for you duality, ego or separation
or any kind of spiritual bondage to be overcome
and any kind of spiritual liberation to be attained?
Isn’t it wakeful-ness or simply being awake from sleep ‘present-awareness’ itself? Therefore to be awake or wakeful is to be conscious.
Isn’t it present-awareness to simply be awake or aware
and that itself abiding as one’s true nature? Could it be that simple?
Isn’t it a spiritual carrot to falsely believe that there is something new, spiritual or special that is waiting to be realized?
Do you know the answer of these questions? Yes or no, short and sweet. Or do you yourself repeat others words like a parrot.
Answer these questions clearly and I will leave you alone with your beloved friends to play a foolish game of hide and seek.
Isn’t that a deal?
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Gil says to Gomez” You pretend to be beyond the ‘ego’ yet you demonstrate quite clearly that you are offended by something.” Now there’s the pot calling the kettle black.
You get offended all the time, from day one of this website. that’s why you censor the shit out of the comments. That’s why so many people just leave and all you’re left with is ass kissers and parrots instead of open discussion. You got so offended by Scott Kiloby you kicked him and his podcast off this site. Who got offended? Ego of course.
Looks like Gomez is just another half-way-there case with an ax to grind. So much for resting in pure awareness. Anyone can spout the advaita line. BEING it is something else, and rare.
“If you suffer from depression and are on medication, have a talk to Charlie Hayes.”
Really? You’re going to send him to this self aggrandizer who you won’t even interview and had a big falling out with? And a guy who is charging for “consultations”. What clowns you all are.
Great entertainment!! Keep it up!
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There is NO awakening. Are you unaware right now?
Of course not. The idea that you are asleep is absurd.
Ralph, you detect a rat in the house. Consciousness has NO NEED to know itself. It is not an object and everything is consciousness.
These ‘teachers’ who shout that they are telling the truth are just sideshow entertainment.
Consciousness IS. It does NOT need anything.
You are wakefulness. Everything appears on that wakefulness.
If you pause a thought and let the mind rest on nothing at all, everything is clear and obvious.
Make no mistake – every one and every thing is an appearance in that clear and empty space-like awareness. NO ONE can give you anything or take anything away from what you truly are.
The idea of ‘self’ can never wake up – because it is only an idea.
JPG is a noisy protester and is desperate to be recognized as a ‘wise one’. To be sure he can express some things very clearly but the crunch is there is still a strong belief in being ‘someone’ quite obviously there and no matter how much he protests that there is not a belief in an entity, it seeps out as soon as some buttons are pushed. Frankly, I don’t give a fig whether he is clear or not. And neither should anyone else. Get things clear for yourself. Then you don’t need anyone’s words or ‘presence’.
I trust the readers are enjoying the circus. If not, they don’t have to read this stuff. The programs are the main menu. JPG will not be appearing in them, I can tell you that much.
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Hey Gilbert is there a ‘mind’?
You forgot to answer the most important question of all.
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Oh the mind game goes on and on. There is no mind apart from thought. The question is not important at all, unless you think it is. Thinking it is important is a thought.
You don’t choose your thoughts. Obviously.
I will ask you politely and courteously to go play somewhere else Gomez. You came on this site abusing those who speak and comment on it, like a Bull in a china shop. You have made more comments in a hour or two than most make in six months. You are obviously on a mission.
Take it somewhere else.
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Well if there is no mind present.
What binds you? See everyone is already there, mind-less
they simply do not know it. Obviously if someone sells spiritual books with the false concept of a mind being there written all over it.
What good does cultivating wrong dualistic knowledge bring anyone? There is no end to it unless the correct pointers or correct address is given. Mind this and mind does that and yet there is no mind, a funny paradox. Why give credit to illusion or the false?
Don’t get an ulcer over it you are a sounding like a old pissed off guy and perhaps you need to go smoke something to make you feel relaxed and good about yourself. Say hi to Bob when you talk to him, I have not spoken with him in about five years.
I am no one spiritual or special, just an ordinary guy that recognized his ordinary self after having consciousness pointed to as the real and only ‘doer’. Nothing else.
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How unfriendly this has become.How necessary is it to mix this simple message with machinations of ego ?
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This JPG turkey is off his trolley, I hope he seeks help for his condition soon.
Gilbert your statement ‘You don’t choose your thoughts. Obviously’, is it true that when I’m creating a 100 page requirements document that it’s all happening spontaneously, there appears to be a lot of effort and choices being made.
Looking directly at my thought process it appears that my thoughts are appearing in reaction to my internal condition or the external environment, is that all there is to it?
From a purely logically point of view I understand you can’t have a bunch of thoughts ‘out there’ and then selectively choose which of them are to be your thoughts, that’s just silly isn’t it, yet there appears to be free will, but how could there be.
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Could one say, that what ever appears is born from the desire of one self to recognize oneself? I have appearently forgoten what I am and pretend to be what I am not. It is the game. But in truth I know, I intimately know that that, for what I have taken me, is false, is of no substance and has no power to do or change or bring about anything, ever. I won’t have to go to war anymore to defend what I believe is true, I don’t have the slightest desire to convince anyone of anything, because the truth reveals itself when there are open ears. I say, rest in peace, Jean Pierre, you are okay, nothing is wrong with you, but your erroneous beliefs. Just be honest with yourself.
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Man this is the funniest thing I’ve seen a while. Just to lay down the law as usual, Jean Pierre Gomez does not even have the right things to say as Gilbert put it.
This guy has obviously read a fair share of non-duality teachings, interpreted in the most hilariously deluded way, and is saying the exact same thing except from this point of view:
It’s all in one quote from him ” If you strongly believe that there is no one and you do not exist, you are wrong. The simple Truth is that you are the one and existence itself. So simple.”
Dude you are regurgitating what is already being said, and then mixing up the pointer. Nobody is saying that you don’t exist, its that you don’t exist as a separate entity, as a ME inside of something else. And then you go on to admit that , saying there is only oneness and you are that, existence itself etc.. So then how the fuck can you be someone, and who said that you are NOT. It is the me that is not, but you are, awareness is.
Now since you’ve already more than likely demonstrated on this site that you have functioning logic, you will probably go on a tangent anyway and not understand any logic me or anyone else is throwing at you. See the me is only in language.
It is like there is now a parallel universe ‘Gilbert’ (Verion 2) on this site, but in that V 2.0 universe he is a babbling idiot. The funniest thing is that it is so obvious, you even take things from books like “Don’t read anything in books”, or some other Krishnamurti stuff and then stand in complete irony.. and then telling people to wake up, and that you pity them. And then comes the popular culture notion of ‘Jesus was a fake and religion is used to control’, sorry bud no one was putting Jesus or religion in that context, and thats old news that even 12 year olds put together. Its not deep and profound to know that religion is bullshit and the whole Jesus thing is an entirely separate story- i’ve never witnessed such hilarity at your posts, I thank you!
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Jeezzzz Louizzzzzzeee…. comments went from 29 to 67 in less than 12 hours… it is amazing the intangible inexplicable difference between words that are alive and words that are second hand. For whatever reason they are felt by me. Second hand words are heavy and complicated, they lack spark, aliveness and humour. They shout and have to be heard and have to be right. The clear agenda is “I know something”. The worst thing about knowing something is having to remember to remember that you know it.
Alive words bounce up and down and fly away and you can hardly remember what they were. They confront but you can’t take offense (unless you really try). Because they are saying nothing. They ignite the senses without any reason why. They are alive, now and gently scream at you without any care whether they can be heard or not. They are like feathers whacking you on the head and tickling you.
Not that I have a clue. I simply do not have a clue
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I could say a lot of stuff about this Gomez but frankly, it is so boring and it is the same old hashed up nonsense splattered with twists and turns, things that sounds almost right but you know it isn’t quite right. This is why we are fairly selective of who we interview. Non duality, from the point of view of the mind is the ultimate mind game and there appears to be many who have flipped and many others who get high on the chemical releases that mental stimulation brings. Ex-substance abuse types often get angry and argue endlessly, getting high in the rush, which is just a convenient replacement for the ‘old drug’. I have seen enough of this and can spot it a mile off.
There is absolutely no point in pretending to know.
Pretenders stand out like Dog’s Nuts. They protest loudly, insisting that they are genuine and true. Me thinks they protest a bit too much. Who cares? I mean, do you really care about all this drama?
In the appearance of things, I make certain efforts to keep this website going, spending many hours gathering material and making the programs etc. I don’t ask for any praise or fanfares. A donation now and then from someone is well appreciated. When I have to deal with the odd ‘cretin’ that wanders onto this site, sprouting their wisdom, it is a bit of fun. But when someone hogs the scene with such abandon, like some savior who has descended out of the heavens for all our benefit, it just goes over the top a little too much.
Anyone who wants to read his ravings can visit his stale old website.
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The truth doesn’t belong to anyone. There’s no one who “got it”, and there’s no one who “don’t got it”. All these thoughts, all these sounds, whatever they may be, are taking place inside the truth, inside what’s real, but are not themselves any more true or real than anything, anything, anything else.
There’s no more “truth” in the noises being made by the appearance we’ve all agreed to call Sailor Bob than by the appearance we’ve all agreed to call Charles Manson. Often, as we’ve recently been reminded, the nondual “pointers” are confused for the truth itself. This would probably still happen even if we screamed “Now this is NOT TRUE!” every thirty seconds as the pointing was heard. If you see a hand with its index finger extended and its other fingers curled inward, you don’t look at the hand and say, “What a crock of shit! This hand is false!”, nor do you say “Ah, yes, this here hand is true! I can really get behind a hand like this,” you either look where it’s pointing or you look somewhere else, but either way you stop tripping on the damn hand.
As a friendly reminder, there are no enlightened people or unenlightened people, concepts are just more appearances in Reality, and I am a liar.
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Wow!
Characters at play, lots of wisdom served up in a non-conventional way.
Bravo!
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…not to worry, it’s all just mind stuff anyway. The truth of who/what you are has not been touched by any of this.
… but yes it was great entertainment unless you believed any of it.
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..if I may add one more thing, what you have witnessed here is a ‘spiritualized ego’ in action. JPG has a wealth of good material on his website but unfortunately it appears that he took them as the truth and made them his own.
Be careful not to take any teaching or pointers as the truth, let them do what they are meant to do, point. They are just signposts.
….you can’t take it with you because there is nothing to get. A simple ‘ah this!’ will do.
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Yes……and did you know that the Pied Piper tossed a mating pair of rats back into the Town of Hamlin as he left, insuring that he would have more work in the future. (The mind hangs on to concepts) Then because the Town Folk refused to pay their bill, he stole the Town’s Future (the children).
Much has been revealed – but unless you truly recognize your own true nature, it will all just be more fodder for the mind.
Those who shout the loudest and those who protest with far too much zest are usually the ones in need of wisdom, which has eluded them for too long. Who cares?
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Ignorance is knowing everything, having everything tied up nicely in conceptual formation.
True knowledge is seeing through the concepts and names given reality.
Wisdom is the realization that you know nothing at all.
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‘If you pause a thought and let the mind rest on nothing at all, everything is clear and obvious.’ GS
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Creative writing is the art of allowing the reader to believe in what is written and send the reader on a series of emotional rides, that cover the entire spectrum of possible emotions. The art of communication is to remove the concept of separation and ‘bring about’ a unique moment of recognition. This moment may happen immediately or it may ‘come’ a little while later, after the ‘furniture’ of the mind has shifted.
Humor is also a wondrous tool.
For example:
“There are two types of people in the world – those who have taken mushrooms – and those who have not.”
If you are laughing loudly at that, you have given away which group you belong to.
Creative writing……..no Author.
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“Wisdom is the realization that you know nothing at all.” ~ R.F.
That knowing is what you are. No source can be located for this knowing, other than to say it IS, here and now……even that is saying too much…..
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This sence of me Go conciously into it…. The intensce feelings in the body around the chest area and around the head area is what is here often, I see its a habitual patteren thats been around along time related to as this is bad. it completly feels this space or it seems to a petty unbareble type no escape from it is there. so ive been putting all my attention onto it as its here alot. siiting here the tummy has incredable butterfly type burning feelings going on the head feels heavy and the sence this is happening to me is there. so to conciusly go into these feelings and find the me its happening to seems to leave total frustration . my god this is doing my head in
I have spent the last few days really looking at these feelings consiosly. dam lost couse here but i will not be defeated.
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“It is like people comfortably sitting inside a pool of crap,
you pass by the pool and you compassionately (yuuck! Fred) extend your hand for them to easily get out, but instead they go, oh no, no, no it is so warm and so cozy here, I am so comfortable with this crap, whatever you do, please do not make any ripples.”
I hate it when the teacher blames the seeker. It’s so easy to blame the seeker instead of becoming a better teacher and so common with the Advaita “I am not a teacher” teacher.
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Everything ‘happens’ automatically, or better, spontaneously, even the ‘investigation’, without any ‘author’ or ‘investigator’ whatsoever.
Relax!
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Yes!
Relax!, now that sounds good to me.
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There is one fact that seems to slip by just abut everyone and it is this: You have never, ever been anywhere other than right here, right now. All the coming and going that appears to happen is what we call ‘appearance’. The energy that appears to move things about is the same energy that is the activity of knowing. There is no separation.
There is only One Energy and it only appears to divide itself into a billion shapes and forms. If you study any of the branches of science, you find the same intelligence in action. Biology, Micro biology, Astronomy – the evidence is clearly obvious. The computer you are using right now was an idea in ‘someone’s consciousness’ at ‘some time’. Even to deny that there is intelligence expressing itself as everything cannot be expressed without that same intelligence. Obvious. Whatever response there is to this comment, without that life force (intelligence), it could not appear at all.
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Nothing is required to know what you are. It isn’t that you aren’t now knowing it and then something changes or happens and then you know it. It isn’t due to effort or practice. It’s not presently hidden and something uncovers it. It’s not presently absent and then it suddenly comes anew.
You already ARE that which you seek. As such, something right NOW is present but is overlooked, falsely referred to, an idea about it is incorrect. You already know it only you take it to be something it is not.
So we must look at what is already there. We must look at what is already obvious.
What you take yourself to be is a body-mind. Yet that body-mind is known somehow – you know the body-mind. Therefore what you are is not the body-mind but the knowing itself. The subject in any experience is not an object – is that not obvious? Body is object. Thoughts are object. You are the knowing of world, body and mind.
So that so-called subject is what? That subjective-presence is what? It is empty. It is formless. It is a mystery, yet it is undeniably there. YOU are HERE. That formless knowing has always been here, always been the subject of all experiences. We might say the subject is always that knowing-ness. All else is objective.
That subject is pure formless experienc-ing. Feeling, knowing, seeing, cognizing… and that which is known is – conceptually – something known, something seen. But we can also call that object a “feeling”. Sensation is feeling. So is the subjective “feeling” apart somehow from the objective “feeling”? Is the experiencing something apart or different from the experience itself?
A Zen master said – as I walked through the temple grounds, the bell rang. At that moment there was no one hearing and nothing heard. Only the ringing.
Only the ringing. Only the experiencing. Not-two. That is already the case. Advaita means not-two. It isn’t a state that is reached. Advaita is already what IS. Reality is already not-two. Therefore discern any concept or idea which asserts two-ness or many-ness or thing-ness. Discern any idea which asserts individuality or separation.
Untangle the conceptual puzzle built around this idea of your self as a separate individual and notice what IS, right now. All that is needed is the removal of false ideas. Nothing in reality changes.
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Yes Randall, everything is already clear and obvious.
There is no fine print on the back of the box telling you the secret.
Reality is. It is only the ‘mind’, which is a bunch of thoughts that seemingly creates a fuzzy confusion around that central idea of ‘me’. That is also clear and obvious.
Some poor Baron or Lord was banish from the Court by Queen Elizabeth (1) for farting in her presence. After twenty five years he returned at the request of the Queen. The first thing she said to him was “The fart is forgotten Lord Milton (whatever his name was)”.
A roaring laughter may ring out once the simplicity of living reality reveals itself.
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Dogribb,
If you are reading this, get in touch with me, I have something for you—I think you will like it very much— Sandy Jones
And, Jacob:
Goethe’s writes:
‘Who never ate his bread in sorrow, Who never spent the midnight hours weeping and waiting for the morrow, – He knows you not, ye heavenly powers.’
So, Jacob, that poetically is saying that Grace of God is found in sorrow–Let it be the Love that takes you Home, it can and it will—Your sorrow should tell you that you have more soul, more beauty, more light, more love than you realize. Trying to escape the pain is to no avail and really not even the answer. Trying to obliterate sorrow, ‘me’ sense, or anything about Life, just leaves us with nothing but a starving soul. Love and Sorrow are interconnected and you cannot have one without the other. Love is all that is going on Here and if we let it, it will show up in all its magnificent heavenly power through the broken heart. Grace abides in the broken heart, in the deepest of sorrow. You will find the white stone there among the tears and nettles.
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Thankyou Sandy x
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The usual concept is that what we are is a separate, lonely spec appearing in a vast universe. The truth is we are the universe conceiving of a separate, lonely spec called me. You cannot convince a separate self that it is oneness. The whole ‘idea’ of a limited person existing within a vast universe that is born exists and dies needs to be seen through. Until that recognition happens all you can know for sure is that the limited self that you conceive yourself to be is false.
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Looking right now I perceive shapes, colours, sounds, touch, smells. At the same time these are known. A “me” also appears along with thought, it appears and disappears but this makes no real difference to anything really. The display is not apart from the awareness that sees it. it is clear and bright. It has always been like this except that the bright clarity is normally overlooked in favor of the sights and sounds and stories.
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If you look into a maze (from outside) and try to work out a way to get out of the maze, you must ‘create’ reference points and associated traces of imaginary motion. The fact that you are not actually in the maze may be forgotten as you ‘become’ a reference point, inside the maze. ‘Remembering’ that you are not in the maze is a cutting away of the illusion. This remembering is not from the mind. It is the ever-present wakefulness dissolving the fixation.
LIFE is Cosmic and All inclusive. Every ‘particle’ is life – a movement in stillness. There is no separation. Identity and boundary are the key issues and they do not exist except in the maze.
Are you in the maze? Are you Alex or Alice in Wonderland?
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I read the following statement when I seemed to be in the midst of suffering & blaming others. I forgot who wrote it.
“For suffering to be experienced it is absolutely necessary that there must be an individual who believes they are personally suffering. If it is realised that what you are is not separate, not individual then there is no sense to the statement that something happens to ‘me’. When it is seen that there is only ONE appearing as everything then what is happening is by you, from you, to you…even the so called experience being had is also you in another form.”
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The UGC may present something a little different than the usual stuff.
Stay tuned and see if your local Community Radio station is willing to play some of the programs on air, maybe Sunday evenings like the station in Prince George BC. Free programs already made – 86 of them.
Listen to a few you have not heard, yourself maybe. A new program is planned soon. – Warm regards – Gilbert.
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Jacob. How are you brother? What is the space like in which thoughts, feelings and perceptions appear? Does it change like the ever shifting forms that arise within it? You are not a thought, bodily sensations, or any stories about a past or future. Drop all ideas of identity and what is left? That is what YOU ARE.
There is nothing you need. Behind the churning thoughts, you are absolute peace RIGHT NOW. While there is identification with the thought/phenomenal level, there is a feeling of instability and despair because these experiences are ever changing but, when it is seen that one is the “quiet, deep waters” on which these “ripples” appear, then there is resting as perfectly stable being.
Ripples form and subside on their own – they are not permanent. “This too will pass” but what you truly are is infinite and eternal and not subject to any conditions or limitations. Nothing can arise outside of being and YOU ARE THAT. Love to ya man.
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American Philosopher Herbert Spencer:
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation”.
Quote lifted from Bob Adamson’s website.
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The ‘personal’ is just ripples on the surface of No Thing. – G.S.
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Jacob, take a read of this:
“Yes, I understand being tired of being ‘me’. Just see clearly that the ‘me’ you are tired of being is a witnessed object like the sound of traffic, the smell of dinner or the image of a friend.
You do not think you are the sound of traffic, the smell of dinner or the image of a friend, precisely because they are witnessed or known and you intuitively know yourself as the witness or knower of them. Simply see that the ‘me’ you are tired of being is only experienced as a thought, image or sensation. In other words, it is a witnessed object just like the sound, smell etc. It is not you.
You have never been the ‘me’ that you are tired of being. In fact, even the feeling of being tired is witnessed by you.
Simply be the witness knowingly. Take your stand ‘there’, which simply means see clearly that that is what you always already are.
In time, the apparent distance between the witness and the witnessed dissolves and we find ourselves not simply the witness of all seeming things but also their substance.”
-Rupert Spira-
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As far as I can understand this stuff, I know that i am not the world, the body, my emotions, feelings, body sensations, also i am not the self-center – ego which seems to be the core of my self but it is not, there is something else which is called awareness or consciousness and is always like the background of everything else. I cannot see this consciousness because when i’m trying to do so i see only mental appearances which are trying to pretend to be consciousness itself but they aren’t.
, but i don’t know if i am right, is it correct to trying to see the self and reject all thoughts, imaginations and everything as long until ego will collapses and nondual awareness appears? Is it right? Once it worked for me but now i am again disconcerted.
I think that once “I” was in that nondual state that is pointed here, while i was trying to see where or what myself is suddenly everything stopped and there wasn’t any subject nor object, only a vibrating, self-aware space, it certainly wasn’t me, the “ME” was gone for a while, after few seconds “ME” came back but everything changed, there was a deep silence and peace but no bliss or “fireworks”. I felt that nothing really matters, my plans and desires lost their power for some time.
My question is, was that state what u are pointing to? And I have another question related to self-enquiry or trying to see the self. I thing that trying to see the self is the only way to liberate “noone” from “someone”
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What you are is not a state, feeling, thought or any kind of experience/perception. What you are is always present. Seeking a “special” experience is futile – any feeling is bound to fade. What you are does not. It is uncaused and unconditioned. As Bob says, can you say “I am not?”
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Thank you for response.
I ofcourse cannot say: “I AM NOT” but so what, i think it’s obvious for everybody. I wonder why u so often quote this sentence…
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Fixing the ‘me’ happens and its high maintenance stuff.
The ‘sense of me’ is endless ‘work’ for the ‘me’, like two mice running around chasing each other thinking that the other is ‘wrong’ and it is ‘right’. What is being pointed at is beyond the dualistic mind and all its self-centered activities. it is not some mystic realm to be climbed up to, like some Eagles nest perched on a craggy knob of rock at the summit of some dangerous terrain. It is this naked seeing-knowing-ness, already present. The weight of the ‘me’ is a fictional weight ‘created’ by inattention. Give your whole attention to this investigation and you will find that there is no ‘I’ or ‘me’ in this naked awareness. Simple, so simple and so obvious.
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A new program will appears soon. Some very salient points will be made in the next program. Few teachers cut to the core issues. The UGC presents the cleanest and clearest material, without all the fuss about personalities or the guru worship nonsense. I trust not just a few will appreciate this, even though only a few ever contact us about these programs. Given the number of downloads, it does seem a little odd that so few appear to be moved by the programs.
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“even though only a few ever contact us about these programs. Given the number of downloads, it does seem a little odd that so few appear to be moved by the programs.”
Does this really seem so strange Gilbert? What is there to say, other than thank you? Where is the need or desire to continue hearing this message over and over, albeit slightly differently presented each time, once the seeking has ended? These programs resonate with so many precisely because they do point so directly and clearly at the truth of this BEING, but the mind is relentless, and the mind likes more and more of something it finds delicious. Books and programs which bring on that feeling of “oh yes…this is IT…..” are addictive and the seeker wants more and more, of course – as long as this feeling can be shoehorned into what the seeker’s existing ideas about what the truth must be like.
It seems that every time the mind wins out, so all consumingly mesmeric is its content. Every time, that is, until it doesn’t. So obvious is what is being pointed too, that mind will reject it, as an idea, out of hand. How simple is it that seeing is wholly, infinitely, subjective, so cannot be seen? Seen by what? That would be the seeing! Ultimately, mind gets why it can never get it. It’s cornered by this impossible conundrum and has NO CHOICE other than to give it up. It isn’t a thing that can be decided or aimed for – the mind aint suicidal! It’s a NO OTHER OPTION situation.
You’ve heard it before – the seeking stops. Everything carries on but no one is doing anything, and nothing is wrong anymore.
So with regard to your post above Gilbert, this one is moved for sure, and contacting you right now, just to say thank you. Keep bangin away at em. It’ll get through when it gets through.
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Cheers Guys , appreciated man . x
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